Jodha Akbar 9th April 2015..Sweet and Bitter...LONG analysis upd Pg-1

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Today i watched the episode entirely in mute mode, due to some reasons.
Some one was working besides, so i could not increase the volume.
But i did try in between to hear by increasing the volume...

Following things happened.
I want you all to give me the update today, those who have seen..
I won't be able to watch it online due to want of time.

1.
I missed initial 4.5 minutes.
I guess this was the precap scene..
Salim slaps Murad.


2.
When i started watching it was Akbar with a Pandit and he was going to the Puja area.
From behind suddenly Jodha arrives..
It was a really good scene even though i watching in mute.
They showed JJ sitting beside a small pond and doing some Puja/aarti/delivering water to the deity,in Hindi we say "Ardh" ...

Amer scene flashbacks were shown, where Akbar saw Jodha near Bawdi.

It was a really good scene of around 7 minutes.. ?


3.
Jodha and Moti in a room. She comes to know that Salim slaps Murad. She decides to meet Akbar. But AKbar already knows about it (?) .. He tells he will decide the issue in court. But Jodha says you should talk to him in ALONE or he will MU you. Akbar says he has violated the sanctity of title of Shah Shah. I will decide in court only.



4.
Jodha goes to Salima and MM.
She was worried. MM conforts her.


5.
DEK scene.
Akbar asks Salim to apologise to Murad.
Salim says what if he refuses. :-P

This scene of Akbar was powerful.

BTW, Did Murad tell Akbar about Anarkali here ? He was saying something..
I want this Anar's matter to come out in open asap.!

Precap:
Jodha saying to Akbar something like, plz dont tell me anything now. (???)


I want updates and views from you all.
Kindly update here today..

Not a BAD episode in my opinion, i just want this SA mess to end soon. For me the BAD episode was day before yesterday where we had SANAR for 10 minutes.!

I will try to catch the first scene of JJ, and the last DEK scene.


Direct Link to the update meant for this Shah-i-Iran track::
The Daring Diplomatic Master Stroke of Akbar and Sheikh Mubarak
Forum Thread Link::
Jodha Akbar Shah i Iran Track Pt-2: Diplomatic MasterStroke of Akbar..



PS : Radhika has updated a LONG post on Page-1. Check the last comment below...
Link:
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/121489869


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Posted: 10 years ago
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Today i watched the episode entirely in mute mode, due to some reasons.
Some one was working besides, so i could not increase the volume.
But i did try in between to hear by increasing the volume...

Following things happened.
I want you all to give me the update today, those who have seen..
I won't be able to watch it online due to want of time.

1.
I missed initial 4.5 minutes.
I guess this was the precap scene..
Salim slaps Murad.

Yes Abhay it was precap secene, Murad wants to talk about Salim, he says, matter is serious, so he came here, because sending messaging, Salim not coming to meet him Anar says, this place is not fine to talk this issu here.

Murad says, When Two shahjahde talking, Kaniz should not interfear, Salim gets Angry, Kaniz nahi hee yee.Tumne, isse Kanniz kahane kee Himakat kese kee, & salim, slaps Murad.;;;;;;;;;

one secene, HB, Salima talking, or Ruk comes, ruk says to HB jodha what doing she is Right, HB says, which angle she is doing right

Next words not heared, Ruk was saying,Ammijaan, app nee hume, beeaulad hone kee bare mee kah hee Diya, but now which will i create, it will create more gap between Akdha



2 When i started watching it was Akbar with a Pandit and he was going to the Puja area.
From behind suddenly Jodha arrives..
It was a really good scene even though i watching in mute.
They showed JJ sitting beside a small pond and doing some Puja/aarti/delivering water to the deity,in Hindi we say "Ardh" ...

Amer scene flashbacks were shown, where Akbar saw Jodha near Bawdi.

Yes secene was beautiful. Jalal says, when two person marries, or One is not coming, is second duty is not to fulfill his or her duties👏 👏

Jodha comes, & talks was very beautiful & touchi

Jalal says, when we marry eachother, Two conditions was piller of our Marriage,

We astablished, two relgions, in Our Kingdom, or now you wants, i broke that things. but you trust me Salim, Right will not be snatched

if this problem will come to MB, then jodha will say these words to MB, jodha replies No, so Akbar says in future she will not say these type of talks,

or they should eat, because we both are Hungry😆 😆 song was also very beautiful.



3.
Jodha and Moti in a room. She comes to know that Salim slaps Murad. She decides to meet Akbar. But AKbar already knows about it (?) .. He tells he will decide the issue in court. But Jodha says you should talk to him in ALONE or he will MU you. Akbar says he has violated the sanctity of title of Shah Shah. I will decide in court only.

4.
Jodha goes to Salima and MM.
She was worried. MM conforts her.


5.
DEK scene.
Akbar asks Salim to apologise to Murad.
Salim says what if he refuses. :-P

This scene of Akbar was powerful.

BTW, Did Murad tell Akbar about Anarkali here ? He was saying something..


I want this Anar's matter to come out in open asap.!

No,Murad did not speak Anar name

Precap:
Jodha saying to Akbar something like, plz dont tell me anything now. (???)


When Jodha comes to meet Jalal & says, jalal should talk to Salim seperate.

Jalal says Matter is realted, to Shah shah, so message will go to Awam wrong, so decesion will be DEK.

Akbar says, Salim should learn to need disclipne & manners.

Is i not took wrong decesion, first announcing, Salim shah shah.

Jodha says No, but this way salim will go very far away from us, Akbar says,
but Rule is Rule for everyone.

Jodha discuss HB, +salima, But HB says, you should tired cause of fast so she should sleep.

Dek secene so powerful,
Jalal listens, Murad, Murad decsribe what happened.

Salim refuses to speak sorry, because Kaniz is also a person.

Is Murad knows serial Salim loves Anar ? or he was thinking, Murad is why saying, Anar Kaniz? (who knows Murad knows this please tell me😆


( But one thing, which fast Jodha doing Its complusery in Our family.😃

Female does for Husband +child safty.😊

Similer to Karva choth, but in this fast, Females gives Ardh, to stars. or Morning after 11 Am, some kind pooza,;;;;;;;;;;; they can eat fruits or TEA
but some familes only after seeing stars.




Edited by ayushimehra - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: history_geek



Amer scene flashbacks were shown, where Akbar saw Jodha near Bawdi.

😳


DEK scene.
Akbar asks Salim to apologise to Murad.
Salim says what if he refuses. :-P

This scene of Akbar was powerful.

👍🏼

BTW, Did Murad tell Akbar about Anarkali here ? He was saying something..

He mentioned a kaneez. He didn't take Anarkali's name.
I want this Anar's matter to come out in open asap.!

And get over soon too.🤢



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Posted: 10 years ago
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Could not able to watch becoz of IPL 😭 , and i wasnt even given the chance to touch the remote

But would be eager to know more abt the episode from others 😊 Think Akdha scenes was good n the scene of DEK 😳

And abt SALIM , he is a gone case 😡 Dont even have a ounce of respect for shehanshah , if not his father

I want Jo-Ja to be together on taking the decisions , regarding their son .. NOT on OPPOSITE SIDES Wish this Anar's matter comes out in open , and SA stry finish as soon as possible 😡

And heard that , the show's timing been elongated by 10 minutes 😲 This can be due to IPL , but with this if they finish SA story without elongating it further 😳 , it would be a great ehasaan on the viewers 😆
Edited by Suganya.S - 10 years ago
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ya it was a lovely epi with jalal and jodha doing puja and jalal making jodha agree on not converting her religion loved the song tum hi ho and akdha first meet FB golden memories.
no murad did'nt took anar's name just said kaneez ,jalal is right disrespecting shshshah's post is not accepteble and he now has started feeling murad is more capable .
precap seems MU is on the way but don't want MU now
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Today episode was really good i like it
specially JOJA pooja scene parijat just nailed it👏

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Abhay,

the thing is nobody is totally wrong here.. Akbar , Jo, Salim and Murad...all r right at their places...

this whole thing we always see like we want to see Salim as an ideal son coz we love AkDha and as per our Indian culture we have our mindset abt how a son should be...

but then at the same time r we sure that both Akbar and Jo r perfect as parents where salim is concerned as their son? i feel they r perfect as Shehenshah and Mallika, but at the same time somewhere they lack as parents... if we see all the relationships till date, Akbar's all other kids stayed near him , while only salim was always kept away, in the name of making him future good king...was such punishment always necessary?

and then isn't it what they r getting back? afterall what he got from his parents as a kid? he is always blamed for something or else... is he totally wrong?

most surprising thing is, Akbar himself have suffered the pain of a kid who had to stay away from his parents, and still he gave salim same pain... how much that is justified?

and plz, don't think, i m taking salim's side... that I will never do...but still...

and in this I feel bad for Jo... a Mallika wins, a wife understands, but a mother fails, and that too when she always wants to be there with her son... and that pain is something, that will never heal...
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Abhay

Good Morning! Guess you already know the entire story by now and everyone else does too. So I will just restrict myself to my views on the episode.

All fluff really, so guys, don't expect any message in my post. 😛 I am not here to make a point but just to share my sweet thoughts with all of you. 😳

This is going to be a long one, so be prepared. 🥱


Murad and Salim in Rangshala


Abhay, the first scene was nothing worthwhile. Murad wanted to talk to Salim and Anar piped in. Murad who only takes her as a kaneez asked her to shut up which incensed Salim. 😆 And he gave a good one to Murad.

I know a lot of people here feel bad for Murad and think Salim was being his usual arrogant self. But I, for one, felt happy. Murad has been pulling a lot of rank as the Shah-i-Shah recently. He is developing "attitude". And he really needed that slap to show him that he is still just another guy under the crown.

Murad immediately seems to inform Akbar and make an issue of the Shah-i-Shah getting insulted in front of a kaneez. This seemed to me like 2 kids fighting each other and one of them complaining to daddy that "bhaiyya ne mujhe maara" (elder brother hit me).

Salim is a gone case, anyway. Now, Murad, you too? Grow up. You could have handled this between yourselves.

Be that as it may. The matter is in court now.

This is interesting.


Jodha and Jalal Before DEK Scene

Jodha tries to make Jalal understand this is a family matter and should be handled privately. But Jalal is suddenly the male version of Ruq in this track - obsessed with rank and respect to rank. ("Sangat ka asar" on Jalal? 😆 )

He says that it was not a fight between 2 brothers but between 2 princes, one of whom is the Shah-i-Shah and that Jodha should remember that SiS is No.2 in the empire and no one can mess with him.

Jalal, you are wrong.

1. The No. 2 is Jodha - MEH. You only gave her that RANK just a few days back, remember? And you told her on being questioned that she had the same ROLE as you.

So now don't try to walk over her by telling her to respect the SiS, who also happens to be her (step?) son.

Listen to her and then decide.

If you are the exclusive decision maker, then hey, let her be just another queen. Please do not fill her eyes with star dust by giving her titles and ranks and telling her on paper she has so much power and rights. When you will NEVER let her exercise those rights or power.

2. Suddenly you remember that you have to set an example before your awaam.

When the person involved is Salim, you never let go any chance to show the public what a just ruler you are, like Solomon.
But when Ruq is involved, then you are willing to turn a blind eye and sweep all her crimes under the carpet.
Even Mahamanga was given a private hearing and her crimes never came out in the open for the longest time.
Is Salim a worse offender than these 2 great women?
What happened to the Solomon in you then, Jalal?


No wonder, Salim feels victimized - that Jalal is always out to get him. Because he can clearly see that Jalal treats different people differently. He can send a 9 year old boy to a hutment as punishment but let a grown-up Ruq get off with a private scolding in the Murty kand, in the Ruq FP case and so many more cases.

Salim may not be right here but then Jalal is not right either - neither as a king nor as a father and not at all as a husband.


3. Jalal, if you feel that Salim will be the future king, don't estrange him or tarnish his image in public.

Take him under your wings and groom him to handle the hot seat when the time comes.
By all means, be firm with him, punish him, explain to him. Do anything, but privately. Not in public.
If the public starts thinking Salim is the black sheep of the family, will it ever accept him as the king in future?
Everyone is not born great. Some have to be made great. Take time and trouble to make Salim come to your level, rather than expecting him to know everything from birth.
God gives parents to teach kids. If kids knew everything, they would not need parents. Even Abhimanyu had incomplete knowledge.


My son must have been around 2+, when once I scolded him in my mother's house, in front of my mom and brother. He kept quiet. Later while we were going home, he told me very seriously that in future I could say anything to him but in private. That he had felt great shame in being scolded in front of "everyone". When a 2 year old felt embarrassed in being scolded in front of his grandmother and uncle, how will an 18 year old feel in being publicly pulled up and asked to apologize to his younger brother?


I am not justifying what Salim did. I am only saying Jalal messed it up big time. He forgot he was dealing with a prince who would also be king one day. And that he needed to handle him "differently". If gold were beaten in the same way as iron, what will happen? Iron becomes stronger but gold is destroyed. Jalal forgot this simple fact.



And consider, even today, in royal families and top celebrity families, a lot of drama happens that never comes into the open. Skeletons are kept firmly locked up in cupboards so that the family honor is not tarnished. And here we are talking of the First Family.

Akbar was so conscious of his image and honor that he didn't allow Salim to marry Anarkali (in fiction). Then would he allow a matter involving fistfights between his sons to be discussed openly?



3. Rank and Family


Jalal, you can expect ministers and the awaam to honor rank. But a family needs to be handled differently.

Jalal has to make his family realise that they are all in this together and they have to look at each other as relations and not like a bunch of royal officials living together.

There should be absolutely no pulling of rank within a family at any time.

The King may be at the top, being the head of the family. But if he encourages brothers to treat each other as per rank, he is encouraging sibling rivalry, which may ultimately lead to succession wars.


Frankly, IMO, treating each other as family is NOT a silly expectation. Jalal asks Jodha if she is talking to him like a wife or MEH. She says she will always be the wife to him.

Then why does he expect Salim to behave like a prince in front of an emperor and the SiS? Many viewers complained on the Salim thread that Salim calls his mother MUZ/MEH and not ammijaan. Well, now they perhaps know that it is Jalal's expectation that Salim should look at everyone as per their rank and respect them accordingly.


4. Not Giving Up on Relations

I am shocked by the casual way relations are treated in JA. I can fully understand why Salim feels alone and victimized. Because I have not seen anyone apart from Jodha trying to talk to him - not Ruq, or Salima or Hamida or Gulbadan Begum. Or even Murad and Danial. Qutub tried a few times and gave up.

It is my personal conviction that you NEVER GIVE UP on a family member, esp youngsters.
They may be stubborn, selfish, refuse to listen but that is why God made grown-ups, right? So that they can guide and mould the young ones.
True, you may reach some limits. So what? If you cannot take out ghee using a straight hand, bend your fingers. 😊

Jalal is so famous for being TE. Why doesn't he use tedapan to handle Salim?
Why does he always head for the collision course with Salim when he knows well that Salim can get easily recalcitrant?

When Salim told Jodha the other day that he didn't want to talk about the present issue, she left with a heavy heart. Why? In her place, I would have slapped him a few times, if needed, and made sure he talked to me. I don't let my son go till he has told me what i want to know, no matter how unwilling he may be to share. 😆


Jodha's Confusion

I have not touched upon the puja scene deliberately. (I feel this was Gangaur. This festival was celebrated in March end in Agra when I visited that place recently.) Doubtless, it was a beautiful scene. I enjoyed it thoroughly. JJ were colour coordinated and wearing rich, royal blue dresses. Both looked good together and showed the happy comfort of a long married and much in love couple, growing old together, performing the usual customs together.

The dialogues that followed were wonderful too. Jalal is able to convince Jodha not to raise the issue of their faiths or conversion ever again.

When Jodha is with Jalal, she agrees to everything he says, like a dutiful and loving wife. Then when she is alone, she again becomes the mother and feels she has to do something for her son even if Jalal does not agree.

Why so confused, lady? She can be a supportive wife, and yet make Jalal understand that Salim has to be "handled" without his realising that he is being "handled".

The reason why the joint fast cum puja of JJ held no significance for me is that this action is not an indication of love. It is only an outward symbol to show others you are happily married. Like a warring couple will put on plastic smiles at a party and then again resume the fight once they are back home.

The writer has no intention, it is obvious, of showing a proper mother-son relationship between Jodha and Salim. Right from kid Salim days, the relationship has been flawed and handled badly. Which is so pathetic when we consider how much Salim respected his mother.

Salim should have been shown close to his mother. And then Jodha could have been shown caught between a loving, misunderstood son and an idealistic husband for whom the empire comes first.

(There was an old movie Shakti in which Rakhi is caught between an idealistic police officer husband, Dilip Kumar, and a rebel but loving son, Amitabh Bachchan. EK should watch that movie to understand how well these same emotions were caught and expressed so well in that movie.)

As per the customs of those days, she could be shown being loyal to her husband and king in public, but concerned about her son too in private.


The Goody-Goody Act of Murad

Murad is said to be an extremely good guy, a loving brother and capable of being the Shah-i-Shah. Then why is he always throwing attitude in front of the already drowning-in-self-pity Salim?

Only the first time, Murad went to meet Salim as a brother, that too, a little late in the day.

After Salim rebuffed him that first time, Murad never really remained the brother. If he really was , he would have known that Salim was affected by the decision to make Murad the heir. And that Salim was not in his senses at that time.

He should have spoken to Salim again later, brother to brother. Can a little argument so quickly create such a gap between brothers who were allegedly quite close?

In that case, if Salim is wrong in dealing with Murad, Murad is no better.

True, he has tried discussing issues related to the empire with Salim many times, but he has never spoken to Salim like a brother/friend again.

The writers, it seems, are intent on showing Murad and Salim as political rivals, starting now.


The Loungers

There really is no other term for the others in the family who only seem to discuss the happenings in the family the way we discuss the episodes on IF. As if they had no personal stake in it.

Hamida and Salima did so much to mediate between Akbar and Salim in reality. But here we see them simply lying around in comfy seats and talking about the crisis wearing glum faces. 😕 Ladies, get up and do something. Talk to Jalal or Salim. Put on your thinking caps. But stop whining and sighing for that will achieve nothing.


Where Do We Go From Here?

Salim will just get more estranged from parents.

Murad will become politically ambitious and try to pull rank with Salim, which the latter will resent.

Murad and Salim will get estranged. Camps will form around them.

Jalal will side with Murad and that will further distance him from Salim.

Jalal and Jodha's relationship will be under strain, as they differ on how to handle Salim. (Let's see how the precap plays out. I don't expect a serious or long-term MU, but a temporary cooling off of relations between them.)

Ruq will be shown smirking away and self-talking all the while, laughing at Jodha's woes. Brace yourself for this. 🤢

This state of personal relations will likely continue till the end of the show. There may be temporary remissions but overall this tone will be dominant.

In the meantime, Anar will be discovered as the "corrupting" influence on Salim and sentenced to be walled. She will be bundled out of the country secretly.

Salim will be married to Man Bai by the end of the track.




Those of you who read till here without getting lost or getting a headache, you are really AWESOME. 🤗 Thanks so much!!! 😳

Thanks to you too, Abhay, for patiently letting me ramble nonsense! 😛

Edited by RadhikaS0 - 10 years ago
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thnx fr d update abay wil catch up wid epi online...I m also in desperate hope of seeing d end of salim anar cz I cnt bear dis salim blabbering nonsense dn self pitying...and wrst is jodha crying all d time fr dat useless son of hers who dnt evn bother 2 call her as ammijaan bt calls by d title...so once fr all dey shold end dis nuisance sanar and bring salim on propr track wid redemption of his character... and parijat as akdha are alwyz worth watching dey jst nail d scenes wid fantastic xpressions and acting no doubt in dat...
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Thanks Abhay. Just took time to watch the episode...

My comments on the episode. The pooja scene was a treat to watch and loved the dialogues by Jalal and Jodha. The way jalal explained to Jodha why he does not want her to convert. At the same time Jodha asked Jalal too, if he is able to fast and follow Hindu traditions being a Muslim, she can do the same even if she converted. That said Conversion should not happen forcefully which Jalal pointed out .👏


Coming to Salim I have nothing to say except he is mentally weak and like Jalal said is he even fit to be a King. Murad was right in his Place. Anar should have Kept quiet she should not have interfered.

Coming to DEK scene, Salim should not have confronted. Murad said that Salim insulted him in front of a Kaniz. Very good. That said, Abhay I have a question for you..I would have Preferred first Jalal to talk to Salim in front of HB, SB, Ruks, Murad etc and not in DEK. Earlier initially during JJ separation, Mamaga was interrogated privately first and then brought to DEK. Why are CVS so inconsistent here. Why do I feel that Jalal was as a father here today and was overstrict with Salim.

Precap, I will wait for tomorrow to watch and then comment. As normally everything is shown opposite to what we see in Precap.

AM sure Salim refused and Jalal may have given some punishment. I hope it is that salim is send on a war. Rather than a fight among JJ in Precap, I see a worried wife cum mother who is worried about father son MU.

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