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Originally posted by: Charu.S

Hi Cleo,😊

I'm hardly active on the forum, as I used to be. This forum that was once a medium for lively discussions on Jodha and Akbar, is now dull and lifeless.Thanks to EK and her 'leap'.

There was absolutely no need for EK to have taken the leap. There were several political, social, religious and personal aspects under Akbar's rule that could have been focussed upon for a whole year with a little drama thrown in.

The present storyline, screenplay, dialogues are not worth mentioning. Worst still is the fact that neither Jodha nor Akbar look old enough to be parents of a grown-up Salim. I foresee a bleak future for the current story.

I've nothing against the new bunch of actors performing various roles in the current story-line. All are talented and trying to establish themselves in their new roles, with a prominent production house. I'm irked with EK and cannot release my frustration on the young group of actors playing Salim, Maan Bai, Jagat Gosain and Anarkali.

Having said that I also cannot deny that Paridhi and Rajat have left an indelible impression in our minds with their pleasing personalities and superlative performances and it is impossible to accept two new leads with their own love story, under the title of Jodha and Akbar.

The least that EK could have done for Jodha and Akbar is to give their story a respectful, dignified closure after the birth of Salim, and then started a new aspect depicting the love saga of Salim and Anarkali. This would have been more acceptable and bearable. Instead she chose to cash in on Pari/Rajat's popularity as Jodha and Akbar, by introducing a whole new love story with two different leads under the name of Jodha and Akbar, just in order to gain audience approval.

This decision of hers will not work in her favor. The TRP's are steadily dipping. The audience does not want to see a middle-aged Jodha and Jalal.

Rukaiyya has been lying low since a few weeks. It is just a matter of time before she takes the position equalling Maham's in the lives of Salim/Anarkali/Maan Bai. You can imagine the rest.

If at all I make a post/thread, I will surely remember to PM you.

Have a great year and do keep in touch. Hopefully another new exciting serial comes up and we can continue with our discussions in that forum.

Cheers !

Originally posted by: myviewprem

Happy new year 2015

We have no option yaar they fund the show they can show anything like Jo running off with Khaiber, Akbar falling at muz feet to ask sorry, jhoru ka ghulam Akbar to ruq and jo both, salim hating his parents, anarkali hairdresser and man bai friend 😆 what a comedy nowadays JA is more laughter riot only and best part salim never want to be shahenshah 😲 he can atleast say I do not want shahenshah for next few years but no he loves to be commoner 😕

They made

Akbar Jhoru ka ghulam

Jo bashan queen who disobeys husband for everything

Salim nafarman baccha and dinking hafim from 8 years of age

Anarkali hair stylist (I had no idea such profession was there then)

Next what Man Bai - hafim addict and drunkard may be like in siyasat

Jagat Gosain- ruq part2 for sure(wonder how Salim shall accept another ruqaiah in life)

Nur Jahan- ruq part3 and maham part3(part2 is ruq)

No wonder Jehangir drank himself to death in real life with such moms and wives and add to that sons baying for throne its best to drown in wine and be in surreal world(guilt of his rebellion will be last thing I mind)

Wonder how Akbar managed without any addiction with many more wives, maham, ruq, salim, may be he was addicted to woman 😉 and married 15-16 year olds in 1599 etc at age of late 50s

I was reading the memories of Montessori he was a French priest who taught murad and salim bible and Christianity and Vincent Smith book and both say that Akbar had 3 useless sons all three drank a lot, it is scathing in its details of daniyal's addiction(eye account) and even murad's death mentioned. They mention salim survived only because he was of stronger make up. But all three drank equally and a lot at young ages of 20-25 only.

Recently my professor was taking up a class and he discussed human behaviour and family etc and he says the impact a child(son especially because father is role model for kid) has on seeing his father having many wives etc the examples and impact he mentioned it is mind blogging. I am wonder in 16th centuy too did all this matter because all of Akbar's sons drank themselves to death. Instead of exploring all these aspects these CVs only want saas-bahu dramas.

Its around teenage years a child starts becoming independent, confident to survive on own and starts questioning things around it. Salim, Murad, Daniyal both have reached that stage. This is when usually father-son conflict starts even in modern families. So will be interesting to see how Salim ques his father or how Akbar handles those highly cmplex ques(if they are ever asked) during anarkali stage

@red..
I request you to please tell me about these 15-16 year olds whom Akbar married in the said year. Because I could not find any in this year. :)


@blue..
The priest named here was from a Portuguese missionary.
French came to India much much later, not in Akbar's time. :)

Also, when this priest came to Akbar's court, it was Murad who was given for teaching Bible.
Salim was not given.

Ironically, i have read ONLY praises about Murad from the Jesuit fathers.

Also, how can he give eye witness account of his sons drinking because he stayed only for 2 years in the court and that time the sons were 10-13 years old ?


@brown..
As i said above, the sons were 13-10 years of age when the fathers were in Akbar's court, then how can he give account of drinking of his sons who were 20-25 years old. ?

Anyways, Salim says he stopped(reduced) drinking , hence he survived.

Murad's death is not mentioned this account. When Murad died that time this father was NOT in mainland of India. He was posted on a island of Maharashtra's coast. How can he mention his death then.?.

Thanks. Please correct me in case i am wrong.

PS : I can post scans for each claim made here in my comment on the sticky thread, if required.. :)

Originally posted by: history_geek

@red..
I request you to please tell me about these 15-16 year olds whom Akbar married in the said year. Because I could not find any in this year. :)


@blue..
The priest named here was from a Portuguese missionary.
French came to India much much later, not in Akbar's time. :)

Also, when this priest came to Akbar's court, it was Murad who was given for teaching Bible.
Salim was not given.

Ironically, i have read ONLY praises about Murad from the Jesuit fathers.

Also, how can he give eye witness account of his sons drinking because he stayed only for 2 years in the court and that time the sons were 10-13 years old ?


@brown..
As i said above, the sons were 13-10 years of age when the fathers were in Akbar's court, then how can he give account of drinking of his sons who were 20-25 years old. ?

Anyways, Salim says he stopped(reduced) drinking , hence he survived.

Murad's death is not mentioned this account. When Murad died that time this father was NOT in mainland of India. He was posted on a island of Maharashtra's coast. How can he mention his death then.?.

Thanks. Please correct me in case i am wrong.

PS : I can post scans for each claim made here in my comment on the sticky thread, if required.. :)

👏

Originally posted by: history_geek

@red..
I request you to please tell me about these 15-16 year olds whom Akbar married in the said year. Because I could not find any in this year. :)


@blue..
The priest named here was from a Portuguese missionary.
French came to India much much later, not in Akbar's time. :)

Also, when this priest came to Akbar's court, it was Murad who was given for teaching Bible.
Salim was not given.

Ironically, i have read ONLY praises about Murad from the Jesuit fathers.

Also, how can he give eye witness account of his sons drinking because he stayed only for 2 years in the court and that time the sons were 10-13 years old ?


@brown..
As i said above, the sons were 13-10 years of age when the fathers were in Akbar's court, then how can he give account of drinking of his sons who were 20-25 years old. ?

Anyways, Salim says he stopped(reduced) drinking , hence he survived.

Murad's death is not mentioned this account. When Murad died that time this father was NOT in mainland of India. He was posted on a island of Maharashtra's coast. How can he mention his death then.?.

Thanks. Please correct me in case i am wrong.

PS : I can post scans for each claim made here in my comment on the sticky thread, if required.. :)

Maddy Belated happy New Year All JA forumities... How much I am missing my JA especially 8 clock.. Still remember first time I saw the promo, didn't want to watch it as it is EK show know she butch her shows once its get popular with Leaps & pathetic tracks.. But started watching the show from Shadi special just loved JO character & then Jalaal character grown the best Ghirna phase, Sukanya wedding track... Still can't understand why CVS jump to SA leaving JA tracks in the middle... Stopped completely watching , not even for Parijat... But hoping Parijat get new show & left this JA, they deserve much better show...

@ myviewprem

How can i teach any thing to anyone, because i am still a learner & will continue to be so as no one is perfect, just trying to learn more from where ever possible. < With this thought i asked you something. If you read clearly, the word i used in my comment was a CLEAR "REQUEST made to you" in the very starting. Please see again.

If you think it was sarcasm , then let me assure you, it was not intended to be so. It was a genuine comment. I wanted to know more, as it is said knowledge can be taken from any place, hence the comment.

It is not a crime to quote anyone , as it was a post on open forum. Any ways, Ok. I will resist asking more questions to you in future. :D But, being an open forum one can comment on ANY THREAD, quote any one , as per COC , and i did it quite respectfully. I don't think one can moral police / advice / tell , not to comment / quote.

And, about the Kids details, that is not the part of discussion of this thread. Each to his own. I did not stop / tell anyone not to question me. Please do question me at the designated place (but not on this thread). Along with that, neither i commented on variety of details being posted here on many of your threads, though i have details contrary to what is being posted there.

Lastly and finally, I simply asked because, normally, i find my readings divergent from yours, though i also read from the "same" sources mentioned by you, but unable to find what was mentioned in your last comment.

PS :No where i said there is any "history" in your comment. I happened to read your comment first, on this thread, and hence could not resist the temptation to reply. I have already mentioned in my previous comment, we can use the sticky on forum for giving history references, as per forum rules. I do the same. :)

they should have hired storng skills actors as jodha and akbar are very powerful in
acting they should have take their time to hire better and close to pari and jalal
heena looks very old to me its not just she is bad actress but as very old
and her words always the same .ravi age doesnt march heena age they are just not
made for salim and anrkail roles there are better looking actors in tollywood i dont know
why zee been cheap with casting new actors to the show . THEY KILLED THE SHOW WITH THEIR OW HAND AFTER WORKING SO HARD FOR 2 YEARS THEY LOST IT WITH THE LEAP AND NEW
CASTING ACTORS. 😡😡😡😡

Originally posted by: -aady-

Hi Maddy. 🤗
Happy New Yeaar. 😃

So glad to see a Sunday post after god knows how long. So happy to see your thread.This forum has definitely lost its charm after all the seasoned writers stopped posting, due to the sad state of whatever is left of the once Magnum Opus serial Jodha Akbar.

I miss how we used to discuss every episode. We used to scrutinize every move, come up with predictions based on dialogues and above all bonded with one another through these discussions. The forum became part of the Jodha Akbar experience, and I dearly miss every bit of it.

This being the first serial that many of us including myself got attached to, 8:oo Pm became an important part of my day as I waited to see what new twist would happen that episode. Starting off small, JA went huge, garnering high TRp's and a large fan base at a very young age. The cliched hate to love story -with a royal twist was what everyone was talking about, and i to became part of this huge show where all was smiles and happiness only for a while.

Whether it was the instant support they received, or the several alleged controversies the quality of the show began to decrease day by day. The slow tansititon downward began around the Benazir rack, and then it was all downhill. Maybe the fact that the TRP's remained stable despite the nonsense that was dished out to us, the CV's got this new found confidence to show anything and everything that they wished to.

To take up a historical serial was a very dicey game as along with this show comes the responsibility of giving justice to the historical figure being imitated. And in this whole endeavor the strong Akbar was shown in very questionable light with time. The character became very repetitive, only bound withing the walls of the harem and even when he was shown going to war- he was captured by his not so powerful nemesis. Giving stupid reasons for war's that altered history, and almost no thought behind Akbar making path breaking laws.

As for Mariam-Uz-Zamani, an enigmatic lady who was not known to the world clearly, until the relase of the movie Jodha AKbar. The CV's had an extremely important job of showing the truth about this not so famous yet game changing lady of the Mughal Court and they chose to fictionalize her illustious journey. Petty rifts that never existed between mother and son, and as a viewer to see the Vamp always getting away with evil, became unpalatable after a while.

Baseless rumors regarding SA, that cropped up about a year ago, ended up being true after all. A total of 22 years leap has been taken, and JJ are now shown as this old couple. My only question being- Why? Why this leap at all, to pursue a story that never existed and even if it did ended on such a bitter note. Why give up such a strong serial with such well established characters- all for a track that can't go on forever? Why give up on the pair that took the serial to its zenith of success??

My biggest take away from this serial- is two brilliant actors- Rajat Tokas and Paridhi SHarma. This serial has been about them more than anything else. Their acting was capable of moving people to tears or crack them up. We laughed with them, we cried with them and they never fail to deliver.. Even now a 2 minute scene of Akdha is able to stir up such excitement- all because of the most wonderful RTPS. They have been the pillars of support for this show, the CV's have used them to slingshot their new tracks, but we fans know their true value and will always wish the best for them.

I love Rajat and Paridhi, and i hope they get bigger, brighter and better offers in the near future. ❤️❤️❤️