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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: AbHer_neha

Thanks for all the valuable info Abhay..👏..great job.👍🏼 Was Jodha Bai really older than Akbar? And how can Akbar be his original name? I heard people gave him that name😕 & one last question...do the muslims have the tradition of making horoscope? I mean how does Akbar's horoscope exist?😕




Hi Neha ,

About HK's age this link. > Click here. She was younger than Akbar.
Akbar was his Original Name only . 😉 . Link . Tamy has a theory on previous page, which is plausible. Check it.

Yes, Muslims have such horoscope making traditions. These horoscopes are from Akbarnama itself. Humayun ordered Maulana Chand and Maulana Alyas to make Akbar's horoscope right after his birth.

The horoscope made by Maulana Chand is here. > .Link.


And, the one by Maulana Alyas is here. From Akbarnama, Vol.1, Pg-118.







Later, after 1583, Maulana Fathullah made a horoscope of Akbar. This is here. From Akbarnama, Vol.1, Pg-97.





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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0



hi Abhay,

Can u pls confirm if Akbar ever attacked rewa? I had read somewhere that Akbar grew up in rewa and the king of rewa was his best friend and that Akbar never attacked rewa. But in the show, we saw Akbar announcing an attack on rewa (to capture the man who attacked him and Jodha).




Yes Radhika, the King RamaChandra of the said kingdom, was attacked as they are going to show in the serial.

@Bold... I could not find any historical ground for this, except some Kids Stories, on Internet. Akbar was born in the Fort of Umerkot, in the Palace of Raja Veersal, and that is in Pakistan now. And, the kingdom of this king who is being attacked falls in present day Madhya Pradesh state of India. Hence, Huge difference between the two places.😉


Coming to your question.

The man Akbar is miffed with, who is held for attacking him and Jodha in the jungle(as per show), is > Ghazi Khan, who has taken refuge with Raja Ramachandra of Rewa (in Akbarnama this place is called Panna).


Brief history of Ghazi Khan.


Raja HemaChandra Vikramaditya, or Hemu, was a minister in the court of Mubar'riz Khan, who was an incapable ruler. Ultimately, Hemu managed the kingdom on behalf of his master.

We know Hemu was slained in the Second Battle of Panipat, in 1556. Now, the important Fort of Chunar(won by Sher Shah Suri) was held by a slave of Mubar'riz Khan named Fat-tu 😉 , who agreed to surrender it to Akbar {<from Akbarnama, Vol.2, Pg-190.} in 1561-62, after Akbar sent Asaf Khan to besiege the fort.

{ Though, Nizam-ud-din says, that Fat-tu wrote a letter HIMSELF, offering to surrender it, and afterwards Akbar sent Asaf Khan and Mohammed Ghauss, to take over the fort. I am giving both the Versions of this surrender . 😉 }

Now, when the fort was surrendered , it was handled over to Hussain Khan 'Turkman' . And, Asaf Khan was made the Governor of Kara(this is near Allahabad.) At this, Ghazi Khan who had earlier entered Akbar's service, became miffed and revolted, and went to the kingdom of Rewa(or, Panna), and took refuge there. The Raja of Rewa, being a Rajvanshi, could not say NO to someone who asked for help. This invited the wrath of Akbar.!!!!.
{Probably, Ghazi Khan was also involved in some conspiracy against Akbar, by joining hands with others who wanted to dethrone him. }

{Let me tell something about Asaf Khan. He was initially a writer in the court.😉 And his real name was Khwaja Abu'l Majid. He was given the title of Asaf Khan, due to his good fighting qualities. Asaf means, someone who "gathers/conquers". Hence, he became famous by his title only. 😉 }


Coming to the War with Raja RamaChandra of Rewa.

Around April, 1563, Asaf Khan and other commanders, defeated Raja Ramachandra. Ghazi Khan was brutally slained.

Akbarnama, Vol.2, Pg-282, says, initially Asaf Khan asked for surrender of Ghazi Khan, but when this fell on deaf " ears " , then Raja RamaChandra was attacked. The Raja prepared for war and with him were Rajputs and Afghans(from Asaf Khan). A savage battle was fought.

As per Akbarnama(page given above) >>

" The brave men on both sides washed their hands of their lives and fought a great battle.

Verse

The brave fought with bow and arrow
All strove with spear and sword
The world was full of diamond-pointed darts
The wind was from dust and BLOOD VERMILION-scattering. 😕

Mughal forces emerged victorious, and Ghazi Khan and other commanders were put to sword. Immense spoil fell into the hands of the victors. " At this time, at the intercession of a famous Raja* , an order was issued that Raja RamChandra had put the ring of servitude in his ear. 😉 "
Hence, his territories were not to be interfered with. In consequence of these orders Asaf Khan returned to Kara, his suba.

* --> The Raja who made this deal possible was most probably either Birbal, or Man Singh or TodarMal. I will update this, when i get confirmation.

And, in this intermediation, Tansen was DEMANDED from Raja Ramachandra, and reluctantly with a HEAVY heart, he had to send Tansen to Akbar. So, Tansen should come soon(as per history).

Now, coming to the original question , i guess now it's clear, that >> Raja RamaChandra was attacked. 😉 I have given the entire history of events which led to this attack along with proper BG from many sources.

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Posted: 11 years ago
So Tansen is coming soon 😊
When did Abul Fazl joined his court?
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Arieltabi

So Tansen is coming soon 😊
When did Abul Fazl joined his court?



Hi Tabassum,

I am glad someone asked this. Abu'l Fazl came in the court in 1574 at the age of 23. He was introduced into the court by his brother Abu'l Faiz or Faizi, who was another Navratan. Faizi came in the court in 1567.

Right now we are somewhere in 1562-63 in the show. And, all the Navratans are coming at their own pace, in a fine manner. I guess, non-introduction of Navratans, was also a major factor of anger in the forum.😉 So, you see, Abu'l Fazl came QUITE LATE.

I hope this info, helps many of us to stay patient.😃 Man Singh and TodarMal are present. Tansen is on cards and hope for Birbal soon. 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
Abhay, some Qs about Mahachuchak Begum

Q is based on this assumption below -
She seems to have had 4 children - Abul Mali's wife, MH and the 2 daughters they showed in today's episode. I am assuming that Abul Mali's wife might be around same age or older to Jalal. However, MH is supposed to be around 11-12 in reality around 1563 (I remember what I read in your threads!) - so assuming the other 2 daughters are the middle ones

Was Mahachuchak ever in Agra/Delhi with Humayun?
If AM's wife and Jalal are around same age then was Mahachuchak around when HB was also Humayun's Begum?

Or was Mahachuchak based only in Kabul always? In that case how much time Humayun spent in Kabul - for her to have 4 kids?!

If Mahachuchak seems to know CB which HB says was before her time, how did Mahachuchak know of CB?

If in JA here - Humayun left the Delhi Takht (I know this might not have happened in history) for Shehnaz, did he leave Kabul for his daughter with MahaC? Did he leave it for MH? Why would he leave something only for CB's daughter?

If Shehnaz is older than Jalal when he left the takht to her, why would Humayun not cancel the farman if CB was presumed missing?

If he did not do this cos he also died then how can MahaC's children be younger?!!!

How much time did Humayun spent in India and how much in Kabul?
I saw in JA movie esp mentioned that Jalal was the first Shehenshah to be born in India? So which country did Humayun consider his? Was he based more in Kabul?

Sorry for some silly Qs in advance!
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek



Hi Tabassum,

I am glad someone asked this. Abu'l Fazl came in the court in 1574 at the age of 23. He was introduced into the court by his brother Abu'l Faiz or Faizi, who was another Navratan. Faizi came in the court in 1567.

Right now we are somewhere in 1562-63 in the show. And, all the Navratans are coming at their own pace, in a fine manner. I guess, non-introduction of Navratans, was also a major factor of anger in the forum.😉 So, you see, Abu'l Fazl came QUITE LATE.

I hope this info, helps many of us to stay patient.😃 Man Singh and TodarMal are present. Tansen is on cards and hope for Birbal soon. 😊


U forgot our Khan-E-Khana Rahim 😆 .
Thnks Abhay for answering my question.
So there is still time for the Abul brothers entry.
I m really eager for Birbal's entry.
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Posted: 11 years ago
Minor Update - About the " Adventures " of Mahachuchak Begum 😉


Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

hi Abhay,

Sorry to bother you. Can you please give some details about ongoing track on mahachuchak begum?

She seems to be quite cruel and barbaric.

Did she have a daughter like shown in friday's episode, whom she got married to that hyder something, as a tactical alliance?

Was there really a Ghani Khan, son of Munim Khan, in charge of kabul and loyal to Akbar?





Radhika ,

I will give the complete details later. Right now, i am highly stuck up. Just got some minutes, so i am answering this, as many people have asked about this Haider Qasim issue.😆.😉.
[ As, In today's episode there was a talk of her referring Haider as Abba Huzoor of her daughters. 😉 ]

Mahachuchak Begum was very cunning/cruel, etc. .
Don't forget she sent Vishkanya from Kabul. > .Link.

I had already labelled her as Maham-Part2, 6 months back, last year.😉 You can check this OLD link. > .Link. << Contains DETAILED info about THE ADVENTURES of MahaChuchak Begum.😉

First go through the ^^ above link, then follow the points below.



In short the story is >>>


1. Fazail Beg, the blind man is Munim Khan's brother. Initially, Munim Khan was in Kabul till 1560, then he came to Agra, and placed his son Ghani Khan in Kabul.

2. Fazail Beg was blinded by Kamran, Humayun's brother.

3. Munim's son Ghani Khan is in Kabul and majorly, he is having a heavy hand in administration, along with Fazail's son Abul Fath.

4. So, Mahachuchak will get him murdered with the help of his uncle, Fazail Beg( became Mirza Hakim's protector/caretaker/Wazir).

5. Then, Fazail Beg's son, Abul Fath will be beheaded, as he will try to gain power after Ghani's departure.

6. After Abul Fath, she will get Fazail Beg murdered.

7. In these two murders above, she will be supported by Shah Wali Atga of Ghazni,MAJORLY. ( Then, he became Mirza Hakim's protector/caretaker/Wazir). This man had strong backing from Ghazni + army. 😉

8. Then, she will get Shah Wali Atga murdered as he will try to usurp power, owing to his STRONG Central Asian roots and his clan in Ghazni.

9. In murder of Shah Wali Atga, she will be supported by Haider Qasim, with whom "SHE HAD FORGED AN ALLIANCE " .😲.😉. ( Then, he became Mirza Hakim's protector / caretaker / Wazir.😆.🤢.🥱. )

10. Then, on 28 April 1564, FINALLY, she will be murdered by her son in law Abul Maali in Kabul, along with Qasim Haider. 😉

11. Then, Abul Maali will be hanged. .Link.

Let's see who all, came and went..😉. >> Ghani Khan > Abul Fath > Fazail Beg > Shah Wali Atga > MahaChuchak > Qasim Haider > Abul Maali. 🥱

If you want the reasons, and details behind each assassination, i can give it, but slowly. BTW, interesting point is that, NONE of the Mughal Chroniclers i have read till now, recorded this ALLIANCE part. Especially, in Akbarnama, Mahachuchak Begum has been described as "Cupola of Chastity". 🤢.😲.🥱.😉. That's why i say read from MULTIPLE sources to get a better picture.😃

Will add more details in form of short updates, or as a follow up to questions here. 😊

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Posted: 11 years ago

Mirza Hakim had a number of caretakers😆...MC is a cupola of chastity😆😲 ...This cupola of chastity had an alliance with Haider😉😆...WOW!...But she definitely is cruel and cunning...Trying to kill/assassinate all those who come in between her hunger for power/taqt🤢

TFS Abhay...Can relate to blind man (Fazil Beg), MC and Haider while watching JA...in a much better way 😃
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek

Minor Update - About the " Adventures " of Mahachuchak Begum 😉





Radhika ,

I will give the complete details later. Right now, i am highly stuck up. Just got some minutes, so i am answering this, as many people have asked about this Haider Qasim issue.😆.😉.
[ As, In today's episode there was a talk of her referring Haider as Abba Huzoor of her daughters. 😉 ]

Mahachuchak Begum was very cunning/cruel, etc. .
Don't forget she sent Vishkanya from Kabul. > .Link.

I had already labelled her as Maham-Part2, 6 months back, last year.😉 You can check this OLD link. > .Link. << Contains DETAILED info about THE ADVENTURES of MahaChuchak Begum.
😉

First go through the ^^ above link, then follow the points below.



In short the story is >>>


1. Fazail Beg, the blind man is Munim Khan's brother. Initially, Munim Khan was in Kabul till 1560, then he came to Agra, and placed his son Ghani Khan in Kabul.

2. Fazail Beg was blinded by Kamran, Humayun's brother.

3. Munim's son Ghani Khan is in Kabul and majorly, he is having a heavy hand in administration, along with Fazail's son Abul Fath.

4. So, Mahachuchak will get him murdered with the help of his uncle, Fazail Beg( became Mirza Hakim's protector/caretaker/Wazir).

5. Then, Fazail Beg's son, Abul Fath will be beheaded, as he will try to gain power after Ghani's departure.

6. After Abul Fath, she will get Fazail Beg murdered.

7. In these two murders above, she will be supported by Shah Wali Atga of Ghazni,MAJORLY. ( Then, he became Mirza Hakim's protector/caretaker/Wazir). This man had strong backing from Ghazni + army. 😉

8. Then, she will get Shah Wali Atga murdered as he will try to usurp power, owing to his STRONG Central Asian roots and his clan in Ghazni.

9. In murder of Shah Wali Atga, she will be supported by Haider Qasim, with whom "SHE HAD FORGED AN ALLIANCE " .😲.😉. ( Then, he became Mirza Hakim's protector / caretaker / Wazir.😆.🤢.🥱. )

10. Then, on 28 April 1564, FINALLY, she will be murdered by her son in law Abul Maali in Kabul, along with Qasim Haider. 😉

11. Then, Abul Maali will be hanged. .Link.

Let's see who all, came and went..😉. >> Ghani Khan > Abul Fath > Fazail Beg > Shah Wali Atga > MahaChuchak > Qasim Haider > Abul Maali. 🥱

If you want the reasons, and details behind each assassination, i can give it, but slowly. BTW, interesting point is that, NONE of the Mughal Chroniclers i have read till now, recorded this ALLIANCE part. Especially, in Akbarnama, Mahachuchak Begum has been described as "Cupola of Chastity". 🤢.😲.🥱.😉. That's why i say read from MULTIPLE sources to get a better picture.😃

Will add more details in form of short updates, or as a follow up to questions here. 😊



Abhay, so much confusing, +interesting. i think, after reading this history, My Brain not deciding,😆 😆

😆 or😭 😭. 😕.

Abhay, is MC, did second marriage.?



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Posted: 11 years ago
Thank you so much Abhay for this info ! Till now I assumed Haidar Qasim Kuhbar was only the Vakil of Mirza, dint know MCB had an alliance with him 😆, this lady is hell of an interesting character !

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