Mughals - JA(REAL) is not Fiction-Pt4 - Author/TM's note on Pg1 and 91 - Page 69

Originally posted by: Meself

Let me just clarify that it wasn't a documented historical book, instead a more detailed analogy of women's role in shaping of things and setting he course of history. It talked about Kunti to Draupadi to Rumdrama Devi and so basically a thing written in a feminist avatar. But there was a fleeting mention of a Hindu begam saving Akbar. I now wish to know whether it was MUZ or any other Rajvanshi that might have come in the Mughal household. The book isn't a very solid proof and trust me when I tell you this that maximum pages of it are missing! I just wanted to know if there's any truth in it or the writer's attempt to prove his points!

Originally posted by: tarunsingh2007

History Geek TFS so much info about MUZ and Akbar. Can u plz tell us about Fatehnama E Chittor and in which year this war with Chittor happened ? Also want to know one more thing if Mewar was captured by Sujamal as shown in the serial and did Akbar retaliated to that event. There is no information available about Sujamal on the internet too. Can u plz update about his ties with MUZ(Writing this name & not Jodha as the name isn't confirmed anywhere. Find it funny though that we have names of Jahangir's HINDU WIVES but not the name of Raja Bharmal's eldest daughter who rose to become the empress & that too in the Mughal Sultanate which is by itself something epic) after he left Amer.

Was there a tradition that the begum who gave birth to the heir apparent became the empress then how come Noorjahan became the empress in Jehangir's reign ?

I also think that MUZ couldn't be Christian as Aurangzeb would have no problems with her to do so much damage to the proofs, tampering with chronicles etc. Also, one more thing makes me think that MUZ was a hindu is that when the show started it is shown as Jalal having no mercy for just about anyone but he forgave Sharif-Ud-Din around 3-4 times which reflects the impact that MUZ had on Jalal.

There is one point that I simply am not agreeing on with u & KDR_81. Jehangir having 20 begums & Akbar who was expansioning the empire having only 8-9 begums. Don't find any logic in it

I think the serial has become truly fictional. First after her Marriage there was one Meena Bazaar held after which she celebrated Holi. Now she has played Holi a second time in Mathura and now they are showing anniversary celebration of Jalal & MUZ.

One more point is to be noted that she might have thought herself to be truly lucky to have a loving husband as Akbar as she might have known after Khusrau's blinding and her neice Manmati Bai's suicide and Khurram being brought up by Ruqaiyaa that the support that Akbar gave to Hindus will soon perish & Islam would return to its barbaric state sooner than later which eventually happened in approx 50 years after Akbar's death.

Just one more question. Do u think true love started between the two started between Akbar & MUZ as Salim took a long time 7yrs to come & in between more begums might have come in his life.

People seem to say that MUZ had only 1 child with Akbar so there love story isn't epic as assumed to be but people seem to forget that after the birth of a child she had to take more care of the baby & probably became the empress too so maybe had very little time to indulge in physical relationship. She was more of moral support & a true wife as being depicted in the serial which he needed pretty badly as he even couldn't trust even Ruqaiyaa completely later on. He had others for his physical needs. The story is epic in a different sense that people r thinking of. First love developing between people of different community & it was a political alliance only and add to that she hated him the most but getting the kind of support that only a true lover will give to his wife. Why would she survive for so long if she didn't had husband's support and everyone from her own community & most of the persons within the Mughal court too not happy with her for bowing down to a Hindu Empress. Also, when she came to the Mughal Empire the general public was in distress because of additional burden of various sorts of wrong practices & taxes. Also, women having no respect and add to that social reforms that even no Hindu ruler had done for the masses such as abolition of Sati & widow remarriage etc. I don't consider it as Hindu-Muslim friendship too as after Akbar there was no real friendship between Hindus & Muslims but only religious tolerance till Shah Jahan's reign.

Not even Jehangir was like that because of which Manmati Bai committed suicide.

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Hi Abhay,

Seems like Rajputana (and Jain and Bengali also) influences were prominent on the architecture of FS. 😊 Was this due to the architect (Tuhir Das?) or due to the MUZ?

I want to know a few more things, please. 😊

I believe FS was abandoned sometime in the 1580s (?) by the Mughals. Then why were Akbar and the MUZ again brought to this city and buried here? Did they express any wish to be buried here?

Did AKbar build his mausoleum even while he was still living in FS or later, after abandoning the city?

Why is the MUZ mausoleum separate from that of Akbar, considering they were so close?

And even if it's separate, it's pretty simple compared to Akbar's mausoleum. Why is this so? Dd the MUZ herself approve of the design of her mausoleum or was it built later (after her death) by someone else?

Originally posted by: MaddyO

Abhay I am asking some questions after ages - no hurry about replies 😃


What is Salima Begum's age or DOB? - How much older is she than Jalal?

Maddy, she was born in 1539, so about 3 years older to Akbar.

If SB was also Jalal's cousin same as Rukayya then why was she married to Behram khan who was probably much older?

May be because Bairam Khan was the military commander and a very important noble in the Mughal court.

What about Salima Begum's parents? Rukayya got married to Jalal around age 9-10 but at what age SB got married to BK?

Father: Nur ud din Muhammad Mirza

Mother: Gulrang Begum (Humayun's sister)

Salima married BK at 18 years in 1557. He was then in his fifties and already had a wife with whom he had Abdul Rahim.

Were SB's parents alive and did she have different upbringing than Rukayya?

Did SB and Jodha/HK share a very loving relationship as they have shown in JA?

Was she a good poetess as shown in JA?
Yes, she was a good poetess and even maintained a library of all important books of the time.

Different subject

Why is MA talking about Delhi takht? Wasn't Jalal Shehenshah of Hindustan and control entire Mughal empire? Why is there a separate Delhi takht?
If there is then as MA seems to be plotting to get it - who has controlled it till now?

I asked Abhay this Q earlier and this is what he told me: (I am sure, Abhay, you won't mind my copying your answer here 😊)

Jalal is occupying the Delhi takht. He has given it to some nobles to control it as his representatives. Delhi was important as it served as a station between Agra and Lahore. Delhi was also important due to the huge Purana Quila under the occupation of the Mughals.