Mughals - JA(REAL) is not Fiction-Pt4 - Author/TM's note on Pg1 and 91 - Page 48

Originally posted by: ayushimehra

Abhay, request you. if you on line, i am waiting for your analysis Monday episode, this episode was turning point of jodha akbar life. Please read Mansi's everypost & replay.⭐️

I have made 4 comments already...but today a serious one...😊...
2 are here...

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/100671404
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/100676155

Yes i have read all the posts on her thread...😊
But, i am waiting for today's episode...Picture abhi baaki hai..!.

Yesterday Jodha almost died for Jalal .!.
Let "Shahenshah of Hindustan" cry today, before the "Shahanshah of 2 jahan..! "

Then, tomorrow we shall discuss more...Gadi track par to aye...😊..!

@KDR81...If you are online, enter the discussion on Mansi's thread...Go through these links...

OMG,wow its awesome what you are doing...to think i feel sleepy in my social period back when i was in school when history is so interesting now...thank you a lot,its a lot effort to write all this and i still not read all your history updates
i just wanna ask one question though not interesting now...?
do you know when Navaratnas form?when Birbal enters in to Akbar kingdom?i used to read them when i am young,Akbar n Birbal stories..i just wanna see if its in older age of Akbar?
lovely analysis on Maan Singh,i know i am right to love him always(in the show) and now i respect him more

Originally posted by: history_geek

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Benazir Track - Final Update - Part-2-

Did JODHA's actually drank / ate poison..?
Read 😳 on.
"Hakim's Mom was involved in this conspiracy"

Hi Adi,

Making this answer as an update.

Was busy trying to get more information on Benazir track. But, could not get much, so posting whatever i have, TILL NOW. Actually, that book is not readable. It's badly tattered. The person, who translated that Persian source, could tell me few lines in between,😕 from this book. I am writing, what he told, in sequential order.(guess the rest yourself. No option)


Till now, we know Vishkanya Track was historically true. Read part-1 for details. Link given below.

Link for Benazir track Part-1: ( READ THIS FIRST, then proceed..!.. )
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/99995240

Already we had hinted that Hakim's mom "MAY" enter into picture.
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/100051553


Continue further after reading above links:

Sending Vishkanya was a joint conspiracy of Mahchuchak Begum(Hakim's mother) and Abul Maali(Akbar's brother in law).
Yes, the vishkanya was sent by Abul Maali, in reality also, from Kabul, planned with Hakim's mom. (don't know was/when she exposed ..!..)

That book further maintained, Akbar was moved after this event. (could not read entire episode. Reason-book was not readable.!.
Still, i feel why was he moved after this incident..?..😕. Think.)


Regarding Vishkanya track the author mentioned -> Abul Fazl has not mentioned this incident...!

One more thing, that book mentioned one Kamal Khan. And, in references said him to be a Subedar of Punjab. (In episode Benazir talked of one Kamal Khan. Don't know if here also we have same Kamal Khan..)


Inference:
I feel this clears ONE confusion regarding timeline of the events. Since, this conspiracy was hatched along with Mahchuchak Begum, and she died in April 1564, obviously this means, that the incident, MATCHES with timeline of the show.

Note in reality also, Hakim's mother plotted against Akbar. See her ENTIRE conspiracy and Hakim's history here.
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/98657498


Attack 2: This MAY BE, another future track-->
(this has been read by one forum friend also. Mentioning this event for a specific purpose here.)

Further, the "next" episode about an attack, in that book after Vishkanya was -->> "Another incident, which involved Akbar and his Hindu Sultana was, when Akbar was attacked in Agra'a Palace only, by a person who acted to be a soldier. And, during some 'jashn' attacked Akbar, but missed. And, ate poison and died. So, the person was not identified, but he was suspected to be a Rajput who opposed Akbar's marriage with MUZ. Bhagwandas assured Akbar, Rajputs won't attack from back, and so if it's proved that it was any Rajput behind this,then he will fight against them. Akbar believed him, but investigated further. End-result was missing from that source. Let's see, if this comes on show.

@blue above -- What you feel by another episode involving Akbar and his Hindu Sultana, and WHY here Bhagwandas interfered..?Due to his sister?..!!...

Does, "" Another incident, which involved Akbar and his Hindu Sultana"" means that in Vishkanya episode also Harka/MUZ was involved..?? I could NOT read it, since book was not readable..!..


Attack 3:
1 more attack on Akbar in Agra Fort itself is mentioned, after above attack. 😕.🥱, could not read it. Language was not clear.



@ Adi..

Talking about real history, my thoughts are totally as yours...😳.😳.

I am dying😳 to know the ORIGINAL history..!! Myself..!. Did Jalal's wife drank/ate poison ?

My state is similar to you...Its clear from your words and its clear in my reply also..😳


Conclusion::

After all, we are just digging history, and can't access every resource. Our badluck - got the book, still could not get the point totally. Despite doing every possible attempt, could not read entire account properly, but it clearly points to a MAJOR involvement of his Hindu Sultana/Begum, and it makes me wonder did she actually drank/ate poison. Kuch to hai. !.?



Relation of Hakim-Jalal:
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/100493899
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/100527912

thanks , Abhay... can u plz PM me the link for this post?

Originally posted by: history_geek

I have made 4 comments already...but today a serious one...😊...
2 are here...

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/100671404
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/100676155

Yes i have read all the posts on her thread...😊
But, i am waiting for today's episode...Picture abhi baaki hai..!.

Yesterday Jodha almost died for Jalal .!.
Let "Shahenshah of Hindustan" cry today, before the "Shahanshah of 2 jahan..! "

Then, tomorrow we shall discuss more...Gadi track par to aye...😊..!

@KDR81...If you are online, enter the discussion on Mansi's thread...Go through these links...

Dear Mansi (And Abhay and all),
1st of all, Kudos to u for penning such an elaborate post...!!😃 And also , such a realistic one...!! I had the same feeling seeing yesterday's epi as I too was disappointed with the inadequate emotional display by Jalaal...😕
I simply could not digest his utterings when Ben grabbed Ruqaiyya...!! Was it becoz he was not fully aware of Jodha's condition or something else...??😕
A person who is supposedly in Real Love , cannot simply say that "Jodha begum ko hum sambhal lenge par Ruqaiyya ko kuch ho gaya toh Tumhe nahi Chhorenge...!!"🤢
CVs...this was a mammoth contradiction to what yo are intending to show...!!

Can't write anymore as my Aunt is seriously ill and hospitalized...in ICU...!!

Regards,
Kamal

Originally posted by: mandyg

hi kamal i went to chapters to get some books on mughal history, they had none but one or two available online, the book is..'Akbar and the rise of mughal empire" written by George Bruce Malleson, i will order only if u guys approve of it, please pm me once you get my message...thx😊

Hi Mandy,

Though this question was for KDR81. Still, i am chipping in. Actually, we have read this book. Good one.😊 But, few serious disasters in this.😕
I remember 1 folly in this book, there are few more. Read this..

Errors:
1. This book says, Salima Begum was married to some Mirza Nuruddin Muhammed.
2. Also, says Akbar married daughter of Raja Bharmal is 1560.
3. Also, says mother of Jahangir was a princess of Jodhpur, who held first place in the harem.

Corrections:
1. She married Akbar, after Bairam Khan's death.
2. Akbar married MUZ in 1562.
3. This is also wrong. It should be princess of Amer not Jodhpur.

I remember these anomalies ''only''. So, see..😊.. Some blunders are there in that book..Answering here so others may be informed..

Abhay, i read your someanother page some predict AKBAR HAD DYSLEXIA, because he cant read.

Oh my goodness!
Sacchi ki VK?
N KDR8, thank u too, (Abhay Thank u too, haan), for adding info about how VK's were chosen!
I guess this was 'India only' method, as kundali z seen here only!
Btw ANOTHER INCIDENT!!???
Wishing to know more.
U too r handcuffed, kya karein!
Lets hope k more new editions of book make their way into ur hands!
N May b this z reason y Jo concieved late. Poison ka asar hoga!

Originally posted by: RagSia

Oh my goodness!
Sacchi ki VK?
N KDR8, thank u too, (Abhay Thank u too, haan), for adding info about how VK's were chosen!
I guess this was 'India only' method, as kundali z seen here only!
Btw ANOTHER INCIDENT!!???
Wishing to know more.
U too r handcuffed, kya karein!
Lets hope k more new editions of book make their way into ur hands!
N May b this z reason y Jo concieved late. Poison ka asar hoga!

Hi RagSia,
Here's a bit of Clarification.😊
Indeed the term VishKanya was for India only and they were chosen after considering certain "Lakshans" , but the Kundli thing was only to make sure that there was almost no other better option for the girls , becoz, if there were, their parents naturally wouldn't have easily opted for "This" profession for their daughters...😊

So the Zehrili Doshiza was a known concept even outside India as found by Abhay , but there too, girls were chosen with equally similar situations of being unsuitable for Marriage/Family Life and with symptoms (with different terminologies )😳

Regards,
Kamal