Mughals - JA(REAL) is not Fiction-Pt4 - Author/TM's note on Pg1 and 91 - Page 43

Originally posted by: history_geek

Hi.
The incident you mentioned is absolutely correct. 😊 TFS this incident.

I would like to add a point here. Before, this incident also, Chanakya had started preparing Vishkanyas. Actually, in the university at Taxshila, where Chandragupta Maurya was undergoing training/education. There, secretly, he had started this. The incident goes like this-->. Once on a trip, he noticed that a girl miraculously survived after eating poisonous fruits from a wild tree, while others died. It did not take him long to understand this issue, and he took the girl to the university. And, then made further arrangements to prepare more such girls in this order. He had a peculiar method of choosing girls. About this method of choosing, already, has been written.

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/99995240

Originally posted by: happygolucky099

abhay i also wanted to ask in maharana pratap there was a promo where they showed bairam khan will take help of mouse to defeat pratap.

is it mentioned in history😕

Hi,
I have not read about MP and Bairam encounter, using mouse. But YES, these rodents were used actively in wars in old times also. They have a strong gunpowder smelling power. Even better than dogs. So, the enemies used to load these rodents with very small amount but highly concentrated 'LIVE' gunpowder, and let them loose in the opposition's area, where they kept their ammunition. So, once these rodents were used to fire up the opposition's ammunition, then the actual fight started. 😕 BTW, more than half of fight was won using these rodents only. I hope you got the benefit of using them. They are very small and used to go unnoticed in the field.

Right now i remember one 'modern' example. I have read about their use in the 2nd world war. Britishers used them against Germany. There are more examples also. Principal use was to destroy enemy's ammunition and put their camps on fire, before the actual fight could start.! 😊

Originally posted by: history_geek

Hi,
I have not read about MP and Bairam encounter, using mouse. But YES, these rodents were used actively in wars in old times also. They have a strong gunpowder smelling power. Even better than dogs. So, the enemies used to load these rodents with very small amount but highly concentrated 'LIVE' gunpowder, and let them loose in the opposition's area, where they kept their ammunition. So, once these rodents were used to fire up the opposition's ammunition, then the actual fight started. 😕 BTW, more than half of fight was won using these rodents only. I hope you got the benefit of using them. They are very small and used to go unnoticed in the field.

Right now i remember one 'modern' example. I have read about their use in the 2nd world war. Britishers used them against Germany. There are more examples also. Principal use was to destroy enemy's ammunition and put their camps on fire, before the actual fight could start.! 😊

Wow! That is stranger than fiction. That is why I make it a point to read every one of your posts. So many new things to learn.

Originally posted by: history_geek

Hi,
I have not read about MP and Bairam encounter, using mouse. But YES, these rodents were used actively in wars in old times also. They have a strong gunpowder smelling power. Even better than dogs. So, the enemies used to load these rodents with very small amount but highly concentrated 'LIVE' gunpowder, and let them loose in the opposition's area, where they kept their ammunition. So, once these rodents were used to fire up the opposition's ammunition, then the actual fight started. 😕 BTW, more than half of fight was won using these rodents only. I hope you got the benefit of using them. They are very small and used to go unnoticed in the field.

Right now i remember one 'modern' example. I have read about their use in the 2nd world war. Britishers used them against Germany. There are more examples also. Principal use was to destroy enemy's ammunition and put their camps on fire, before the actual fight could start.! 😊

Hi,

Originally posted by: MaddyO

Abhay another small Q
Is there anything in your research that suggests that Jalal-Mirza Hakim had good relations at the start and they were soured & Hakim turned against Jalal due to some reason

Yes Maddy,

Got something which proves that Jalal and Hakim had good relations in starting. Jalal appointed Munim Khan as Hakim's regent, when he sensed some danger to Hakim, in 1563.

Also, their relations began to turn sour (this is starting) when Hakim in 1564 after his mother's death, married his sister to some Hussain, without any consultation, with anyone. This sister was earlier married to Abul Maali. (Hope you remember Abul Mali is killed already by this time). Actually, at that time Jalal had appointed Muhammad Quli Khan to take care of Hakim, since his mother had died , Abul Maali killed her. Hakim did not ask Quli Khan, before this marriage. And, Hussain, due to his raised status began to trouble Quli Khan, and so Quli Khan left Kabul, and informed Jalal of all this. Though Jalal did not take any strong action against Hakim. (may be before this some other event happened, but i could search this event only which left a bad taste.!.)

BTW, Hussain was a descendent of Bahaudin Bukhari, a saint who found the Sufi order of Nakshabandi, in 14th century.

Point to be noted is :
Hakim is doing all these masterstroke 'karnamas' at age of 10-11, only.😉😲
Just wait and watch, what this Hakim will do further. Imagine at age of 10-11 he is doing all this.!.
Isn't this strange.?

More info on Mirza Hakim, in detail.
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/98657498

Originally posted by: history_geek

Yes Maddy,

Got something which proves that Jalal and Hakim had good relations in starting. Jalal appointed Munim Khan as Hakim's regent, when he sensed some danger to Hakim, in 1563.

Also, their relations began to turn sour (this is starting) when Hakim in 1564 after his mother's death, married his sister to some Hussain, without any consultation, with anyone. This sister was earlier married to Abul Maali. (Hope you remember Abul Mali is killed already by this time). Actually, at that time Jalal had appointed Muhammad Quli Khan to take care of Hakim, since his mother had died , Abul Maali killed her. Hakim did not ask Quli Khan, before this marriage. And, Hussain, due to his raised status began to trouble Quli Khan, and so Quli Khan left Kabul, and informed Jalal of all this. Though Jalal did not take any strong action against Hakim. (may be before this some other event happened, but i could search this event only which left a bad taste.!.)

BTW, Hussain was a descendent of Bahaudin Bukhari, a saint who found the Sufi order of Nakshabandi, in 14th century.

Point to be noted is :
Hakim is doing all these masterstroke 'karnamas' at age of 10-11, only.😉😲
Just wait and watch, what this Hakim will do further. Imagine at age of 10-11 he is doing all this.!.
Isn't this strange.?

More info on Mirza Hakim, in detail.
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/98657498

Thanks Abhay for detail post😊

Well what to do?! CVs just did not know how to give Jalal lectures about Mohabbat, he keeps saying humare pas dil nahi hai😉

They made Shivani run away with nakkashiwala and MH so much of filmy hero of 1940s just so he could give lectures to Jalal😆

Ab 10-11 ki umar me inke aaise kartud hai to bade hoke kya karenge😆

BTW - I was watching some old JA episodes & the epi where Jodha saves Moti's life by going to DEK, just before that Jalal says MH is creating problems etc. negative dialogues about MH. I guess THEN CVs had not decided to bring him for all the mohabbat lectures😃😃

Yes I have read your post about MH, I read all your threads, your posts and all replies too, all of them are fascinating

So have read about Abul Mali too, how he met his end and alll his kands! BTW maybe we will get to see Abul Mali run away from jail being carried on horseback by his beloved Ben Zahar soon! Explains the last pic!!!

Originally posted by: history_geek

Yes Maddy,

Got something which proves that Jalal and Hakim had good relations in starting. Jalal appointed Munim Khan as Hakim's regent, when he sensed some danger to Hakim, in 1563.

Also, their relations began to turn sour (this is starting) when Hakim in 1564 after his mother's death, married his sister to some Hussain, without any consultation, with anyone. This sister was earlier married to Abul Maali. (Hope you remember Abul Mali is killed already by this time). Actually, at that time Jalal had appointed Muhammad Quli Khan to take care of Hakim, since his mother had died , Abul Maali killed her. Hakim did not ask Quli Khan, before this marriage. And, Hussain, due to his raised status began to trouble Quli Khan, and so Quli Khan left Kabul, and informed Jalal of all this. Though Jalal did not take any strong action against Hakim. (may be before this some other event happened, but i could search this event only which left a bad taste.!.)

BTW, Hussain was a descendent of Bahaudin Bukhari, a saint who found the Sufi order of Nakshabandi, in 14th century.

Point to be noted is :
Hakim is doing all these masterstroke 'karnamas' at age of 10-11, only.😉😲
Just wait and watch, what this Hakim will do further. Imagine at age of 10-11 he is doing all this.!.
Isn't this strange.?

More info on Mirza Hakim, in detail.
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/98657498

Originally posted by: history_geek

Yes Maddy,

Got something which proves that Jalal and Hakim had good relations in starting. Jalal appointed Munim Khan as Hakim's regent, when he sensed some danger to Hakim, in 1563.

Also, their relations began to turn sour (this is starting) when Hakim in 1564 after his mother's death, married his sister to some Hussain, without any consultation, with anyone. This sister was earlier married to Abul Maali. (Hope you remember Abul Mali is killed already by this time). Actually, at that time Jalal had appointed Muhammad Quli Khan to take care of Hakim, since his mother had died , Abul Maali killed her. Hakim did not ask Quli Khan, before this marriage. And, Hussain, due to his raised status began to trouble Quli Khan, and so Quli Khan left Kabul, and informed Jalal of all this. Though Jalal did not take any strong action against Hakim. (may be before this some other event happened, but i could search this event only which left a bad taste.!.)

BTW, Hussain was a descendent of Bahaudin Bukhari, a saint who found the Sufi order of Nakshabandi, in 14th century.

Point to be noted is :
Hakim is doing all these masterstroke 'karnamas' at age of 10-11, only.😉😲
Just wait and watch, what this Hakim will do further. Imagine at age of 10-11 he is doing all this.!.
Isn't this strange.?

More info on Mirza Hakim, in detail.
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/98657498

Originally posted by: MaddyO

Abhay another small Q
Is there anything in your research that suggests that Jalal-Mirza Hakim had good relations at the start and they were soured & Hakim turned against Jalal due to some reason

Originally posted by: history_geek

Yes Maddy,

Got something which proves that Jalal and Hakim had good relations in starting. Jalal appointed Munim Khan as Hakim's regent, when he sensed some danger to Hakim, in 1563.

Also, their relations began to turn sour (this is starting) when Hakim in 1564 after his mother's death, married his sister to some Hussain, without any consultation, with anyone. This sister was earlier married to Abul Maali. (Hope you remember Abul Mali is killed already by this time). Actually, at that time Jalal had appointed Muhammad Quli Khan to take care of Hakim, since his mother had died , Abul Maali killed her. Hakim did not ask Quli Khan, before this marriage. And, Hussain, due to his raised status began to trouble Quli Khan, and so Quli Khan left Kabul, and informed Jalal of all this. Though Jalal did not take any strong action against Hakim. (may be before this some other event happened, but i could search this event only which left a bad taste.!.)

BTW, Hussain was a descendent of Bahaudin Bukhari, a saint who found the Sufi order of Nakshabandi, in 14th century.

Point to be noted is :
Hakim is doing all these masterstroke 'karnamas' at age of 10-11, only.😉😲
Just wait and watch, what this Hakim will do further. Imagine at age of 10-11 he is doing all this.!.
Isn't this strange.?

More info on Mirza Hakim, in detail.
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/98657498

Originally posted by: aanchal_c

abhay if hakim is 10-11 right now in the show how come jalal was ready to get him married...that is if we assume jalal was 20...or is jalal around 22-23 in the show,and jodha is now 18...

Aanchal,

Valid Question..
Right now, both Jalal and Jodha are around 20, and Hakim is 10-11.!.
As far as marriage is concerned, "none of us TILL NOW", got any info regarding marriage talks of Hakim and Shivani..
Don't go by age of Hakim. He will attack Jalal in 1565, at age of 12 ONLY...!!..And, advance in East Punjab after besieging Lahore...!..Both brothers were warriors from early age..!..

Ekta could have chosen a guy of less age for Hakim. Anyways, right now, few things are not clear. Since, in reality also there were minor uprisings in Chanderi, near Gwalior from 1562 to 63, and generals were sent there, but who was sent, not sure. Trying best, to dig everything. Akbarnama does NOT gives these events.

:)

I just readed Mirza Hakim's info,Is He really 10-11 now?!😲The one in our show looks much elder.😆Wish Ekta could define their ages properly too when Birthdays are shown😳 😆How can He understand "Mohabbat" at this age so well to give lectures to his big bro?!🤣Ek have really lost it,I really feel this Shivani track can't be related to history!!As Why will Bharmal get ready to marry one more of his daughter in Mughals when Rajputs are already mad on him for 1st one?!😕Do you think We will even get to see More encounters between MP and Akbar soon.He was against Shivani's marriage to Hakim but after that He is not shown again.Would love to see some WAR happening between MP and Jalal soon!!That would be some REAL Fun and Action.I so want to get rid of all the harem politics episodes and see some action.😭Seeing the same walls of Harem and the Same white witch curtains and face makes My head spin at times. 😆They need to change the scenario to outside harem now.😳