Mughals - JA(REAL) is not Fiction-Pt4 - Author/TM's note on Pg1 and 91 - Page 46

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: MaddyO

Abhay thanks for posting the information everyone has been so curious about😊

From what you wrote, what comes across is Jodha/MUZ WAS involved in this matter. That is why the sentense "ANOTHER incident which involved AKbar & his Hindu Sultana" that certainly means there was an incident BEFORE this.
MUZ would have been involved certainly in saving Akbar's life or atleast instrumental in revealing the conspiracy.

I think certainly seeing the real threat to Akbar's life SURELY his hakims would consider poisoning is strong possibility (that is why he had taster taste his food before eating). They could be keeping stock of anti-dote as a matter of routine with them. IN CASE an attack is made with poison they should be prepared. So if real MUZ did ingest the poison for Akbar, maybe they DID HAVE ANTI-DOTE handy.

It would be great if you can somehow read the book fully😊

About what everybody is asking IF REAL MUZ DID DRINK POISON TO SAVE AKBAR'S LIFE? AND HOW THEY ARE PORTRAYING IN THE SERIAL IF JODHA WILL BE SHOWN DRINKING POISON TO SAVE JALAL'S LIFE.

Here maybe we should look at the serial disclaimer - "UCHIT AUR NATIKIYA RUPANTAR" of actual events.
So maybe in reality MUZ/Jodha was instrumental in uncovering the plot on Akbar's life through Vishkanya, the CVs could have decided to do the natkiya rupantar this way😆

In serial JA - the Jodha-Jalal relationship has been shown deteriorated to such an extent that ONLY an act of such extreme nature can get it back on track.

Lets say if Jodha snatches the sevaiya from Jalal's hands and attempts to eat/drink them. If Jalal stops her AND asks somebody ELSE to eat say Zakira

The CVs can surely show that fearing such an accusation again maybe Ben ALREADY could have given Zakira the anti-dote to poison before. So what if AGAIN if nothing happens to Zakira, Jodha will be proved wrong

What if the screeching banshee & white witch AGAIN ACCUSE that Jodha is again accusing Ben without proof. What if they say Jodha spiked the sevaiya for Ben, and seeing Jalal also going to eat them snatched the sevaiya to STOP ONLY JALAL FROM EATING THEM. They can easily say since these kind of customs did not take place during Jodha Jalal marriage, she might know if Jalal also will drinnk/eat.

Jalal ALREADY thinks that Jodha is willing to go to any extent because of her jealousy towards Ben. Even with arrow in hand Jalal thinks this. In the scene when Jodha is walking out with Kanha in her hands Jalal asks her sarcastically if Jodha is now so jealous of Ben that she has decided to go back to Amer. The serial Jalal is so far gone in his jealous Jodha conviction THAT ONLY AN ACT OF SUCH NATURE FROM JODHA WILL SHAKE HIM.

I think that extremely vicious dialogue by Jalal in episode, that he feels ghrina to look at Jodha's face, he will not look at her even if she is dying - points to extreme step by Jodha. Only that can shake this kind of extreme hatred in Jalal.

I think that was the first time Jalal goes to Jodha's hojara after the "DHAKKA" incident, so after Rukayya accuses him of siding with Jodha, will all that in mind AND HIS DEVOTED HATE JODHA FIERCELY AUDIENCE in front of him Jalal utters he will NOT STEP INTO THIS HOJRA EVER AGAIN.

At NOT getting any kind of reaction to this Jalal was enraged even further, he was in such fuming insulted state, that he is insulting Jodha and she is not even reacting.

Such dialogue was inserted surely for Jodha to drink poison for Jalal so that he gets shaken up seeing Jodha on her deathbed and remembers his sentense.

If the CVs show Jalal stop Jodha and somehow she is proved right about Ben, that might not still fully get Jodha Jalal serial relationship back on track.

IF THEY SHOW JODHA DRINKING POISON FOR JALAL AND THAT SHAKING HIM UP TO RE-THINK HIS FEELINGS FOR JODHA, I want Jodha to later ask Jalal, IF SHE HAD NOT DRUNK POISON FOR HIM, WOULD HE HAVE COME TO FEEL WHAT HE IS FEELING NOW?

CVs have left only such an extreme step recourse to serial Jodha. If they show Jalal stopping her and Jodha proved right without drinking poison, I will be very curious then HOW just stopping Jodha is a turning point in their relationship which the soul talk conveyed - akele pan ki akhari raat and all that.

Jalal could threaten zakira that he will kill Ben and/or Abul Mali unless she gives zahar mohra to save Jodha. The very fact that they showed that elaborate search, zahar mohra in form of pearls means they plan to use them to save life, maybe Jodha's.



Nice Maddy! 😃

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: KDR81



Hi Dear,
Though I gave the answer to Abhay personally, but since this was for me so am writing here as well...
This Incident is hatched up...Means...the sequence of Nikaah-Poison-Snatching -Fainting etc is dramatization...as there was no such Nikaah...at least not documented ..but we really cannot rule out the possibility of HK risking her own life for her Husband...She was a brave and virtuous Lady...No doubt about that...😊

Hence, I would 1st like to know, do you want to know whether this exact sequence happened in Reality Or do you want to know what the CVs have planned...??😆
If , it is the 1st , then the answer is above...and if it is the 2nd..then ...Only EK Maiyya Knows...!!😆(Though I think that she will drink it...pre-cap shows so...)
Hope , ur doubt is cleared...!!😊

Regards,
Kamal

P.S:Another guess, Maddy is right I think...the Zeher Mohra will save Jodha...and Zakira/Ben has to say so...as Zakira herself survived...!!😊




Kamal, thanks😊

The reason for thinking like this (please read my post above Kamal's for those who do not know what we wrote about here😆) even though they have given us lot of filler epidoes there have been some scenes which will make sense ONLY if Jodha drinking poison is to be shown.

Why will they show zahar mohra (anti-dote to poison) found in elaborate search of Ben's room and Jalal & Adga talking about it. They open the trunk find it and keep it back in her room intact, still what was the purpose of showing such scene? Unless CVs ONLY wanted to show Jalal IS thinking about what Jodha said and did try to investigate some.

This kind of zahar mohra was not shown when Ben saves Zakira after she drinks milk after Ben. So this is too elaborate scene just for filler.

Why did Ben go to Jodha and talk about searching her room, finding the box and telling her to keep it. Jodha was perplexed and wondering what Ben was talking about. Maybe Jodha mentions this to Moti/SB and they in turn remember and tell this to Jalal, that will remind him also about what they found in Ben's trunk and might try to find it and show to hakim

If Zahar mohra is NOT to be used, why show so many scenes about it in the serial, we had atleast 4 scenes about it, Jalal-Adga search trunk found box scene, Ben-Zakira search for the box frantically scene, Ben talk about it with Jodha scene AND Ben-Zakira scene where they discuss the box is back again in the room

Too much screen space for BEN'S PEARLS😆


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Posted: 11 years ago
Abhay

BTW, another "bouncer" for me, found "slightly different" version of MA's death few days back, in royal chronicles only. And, more than 1 chroniclers have recorded that version. They "ALL" are different from Abul Fazl's account of Akbarnama. Plz Wait, i will post soon.

Hope you post about this new information about MA soon. Very eager to read😊

BTW - I made 2 long posts here just now, your views please😊
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: MaddyO




Kamal, thanks😊

The reason for thinking like this (please read my post above Kamal's for those who do not know what we wrote about here😆) even though they have given us lot of filler epidoes there have been some scenes which will make sense ONLY if Jodha drinking poison is to be shown.

Why will they show zahar mohra (anti-dote to poison) found in elaborate search of Ben's room and Jalal & Adga talking about it. They open the trunk find it and keep it back in her room intact, still what was the purpose of showing such scene? Unless CVs ONLY wanted to show Jalal IS thinking about what Jodha said and did try to investigate some.

This kind of zahar mohra was not shown when Ben saves Zakira after she drinks milk after Ben. So this is too elaborate scene just for filler.

Why did Ben go to Jodha and talk about searching her room, finding the box and telling her to keep it. Jodha was perplexed and wondering what Ben was talking about. Maybe Jodha mentions this to Moti/SB and they in turn remember and tell this to Jalal, that will remind him also about what they found in Ben's trunk and might try to find it and show to hakim

If Zahar mohra is NOT to be used, why show so many scenes about it in the serial, we had atleast 4 scenes about it, Jalal-Adga search trunk found box scene, Ben-Zakira search for the box frantically scene, Ben talk about it with Jodha scene AND Ben-Zakira scene where they discuss the box is back again in the room

Too much screen space for BEN'S PEARLS😆



Yup Maddy! i second this... these pearls definitely have a significant role to play... 😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
Hi Abhay! Its so cool to read your posts...who knew history could be so alluring. My friend was on an assignment and she brought home a really dead book from public library. Dead for it had mites running all over. Nonetheless we read it as I had to help her prepare her project. In it was mentioned that the first Hindu wife had been stabbed once or twice maybe and every time it was in attempt to save Akbar. While your posts do throw a light on this aspect; could you still please confirm the chronological order of it??
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: KDR81



Hi Dear,
Though I gave the answer to Abhay personally, but since this was for me so am writing here as well...
This Incident is hatched up...Means...the sequence of Nikaah-Poison-Snatching -Fainting etc is dramatization...as there was no such Nikaah...at least not documented ..but we really cannot rule out the possibility of HK risking her own life for her Husband...She was a brave and virtuous Lady...No doubt about that...😊

Hence, I would 1st like to know, do you want to know whether this exact sequence happened in Reality Or do you want to know what the CVs have planned...??😆
If , it is the 1st , then the answer is above...and if it is the 2nd..then ...Only EK Maiyya Knows...!!😆(Though I think that she will drink it...pre-cap shows so...)
Hope , ur doubt is cleared...!!😊

Regards,
Kamal

P.S:Another guess, Maddy is right I think...the Zeher Mohra will save Jodha...and Zakira/Ben has to say so...as Zakira herself survived...!!😊



nice to meet u kamal, i am sorry i did not know that u r also writing about historical facts, maddy mentioned your name and i am so glad that now i know who u r!..i am diving into this beautiful world of mughal history, especially pertaining to akbar himself, and his relation with jodha..i too will try to read some material and discuss with u guys, please feel free to pm me with any new information..thanks😊
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Meself

Hi Abhay! Its so cool to read your posts...who knew history could be so alluring. My friend was on an assignment and she brought home a really dead book from public library. Dead for it had mites running all over. Nonetheless we read it as I had to help her prepare her project. In it was mentioned that the first Hindu wife had been stabbed once or twice maybe and every time it was in attempt to save Akbar. While your posts do throw a light on this aspect; could you still please confirm the chronological order of it??



Ohhh this is BIG! - STABBED??!!!!

Abhay Kamal your opinions on this?

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Posted: 11 years ago
Hi Dear meself ,
Nice to know you too!!😊 However, Any clue what is the name /Author of the book u got?? This I ask for a specific reason...
@Maddy,I have communicated my opinion to Abhay...who is a bit logged up with Studies...so pls wait till he comes here...😊

Regards,
Kamal
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Posted: 11 years ago
Let me just clarify that it wasn't a documented historical book, instead a more detailed analogy of women's role in shaping of things and setting he course of history. It talked about Kunti to Draupadi to Rumdrama Devi and so basically a thing written in a feminist avatar. But there was a fleeting mention of a Hindu begam saving Akbar. I now wish to know whether it was MUZ or any other Rajvanshi that might have come in the Mughal household. The book isn't a very solid proof and trust me when I tell you this that maximum pages of it are missing! I just wanted to know if there's any truth in it or the writer's attempt to prove his points!
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: aanchal_c

wow,thanks for this piece of info...😊


i second you... great post...👏

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