Mariam Uz Zamani-Pt1- Updt-MUZ-P39+Padshah Begum-P40+Salim and MUZ-P46 - Page 29

Originally posted by: anuhd

Wht abt title of padshah Begum in reality

Anu,

It seems your question is with reference to Ruqayya Sultana Begum, again. So, before i start, let me tell that none of us have read anywhere that she had the title of Padshah Begum.😊

Also there are certain points, which may give you some idea.😊
Read these:


These statements are from the text of , Edicts from the Mughal Harem. ( Idarah-i Adabiyat-i Delhi), compiled by Tirmizi. The following lines appear on page. 127-128. (please check pages. i feel they are correct)

"
Some ladies had the exclusive privilege of issuing official orders.
The right of issuing royal farmans was the exclusive prerogative of the emperor.
There were other official documents like Hasb-Ul-Hukm, Nishans, Sanads and Parwanas which were issued by the high officials and Princes.

But in some cases farmans were issued by queens and princesses.

This issuing of such orders was confined to the highest ladies of the harem such as
Hamida Banu Begum,
Mariam-Uz-Zamani Begum,
Nur Jahan,
Mumtaz Mahal,
Nadira Banu Begum, and
Jahanarra Begum

"


Even here no name of Ruqayya Begum.


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Credit: Lizzy2012

Remember, farmans could ONLY be issued by the highest ladies of the harem.


Following is a farman issued by Mariam-Uz-Zamani Begum Sahiba.
"
In another order issued by Mariam-Uz-Zamani Begum Sahiba, Madabbir Beg is asked to restore the jagir which was usurped by one Surajmal in pargana Chaupala (Moradabad).
"

Reference:
Indian Historical Records Commission,viii,1925, pp.167-69




Also, TILL NOW, could NOT GET any record that, Ruqayya Begum, issued farman.



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Following ladies had titles in main Mughal history: (note: this is NOT entire Mughal history😆)


1. Maham Begum, till 1532-33, Babur's principle wife. - Padshah Begum..same source as below
2. After that, Khanzada Begum, eldest sister of Babur, till her death in 1545. - Padshah Begum... Baburnama Vol. 1 , Pg-314/15

It is also said that, Haji Begum/Bega Begum(wife of Humayun, died 1582) was Padshah Begum, but could not find it documented. On the other hand, Akbarnama, Abul Fazl, Vol.1, page-340, ONLY says, she was a favorite wife of Humayun. No mention of Padshah Begum there.



3. Hamida Banu, Mariam Makani ... Akbarnama, Vol.3, Pg-815, by Abul Fazl

4. HK/Jodha - Mariam Uz Zamani ... Tuzuk-i-Jahangiri, Vol.1, Pg-76, by Jahangir




5. Man Bai - wife of Salim - Shah Begum... Tuzuk-i-Jahangiri, Vol.1, Pg-55, by Jahangir

6. Jagat Gosain - wife of Salim - Biqlis Makani - meaning Lady of Pure Abode ... PadshahNama, Sec.13a/49a, by Qauzwini




7. Nur Jahan - Padshah Begum (this title was given LATER, NOT JUST after marriage)

8. Arjumand Bano Begum - Mumtaz Mahal .. By Shah Jahan (known fact)...in Badshahnama by Lahori, tr. edition, Vol.7, Pg.-27

9. Jahanara Begum, Shah Jahan's daughter - Padshah Begum ... by Shah Jahan ...in Storia de Mogor, by Manuci, Vol.2, Pg-127...Also, in Auranzeb-a history, Vol.3, Pg-58, by Sarkar

10. Zinnat-un-Nissa, Aurangzeb's daughter - Padshah Begum.. Auranzeb-a history, Vol.1/2, Pg-38, by Sarkar


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Note:

The mother of the Emperor was the highest lady of the land and can ONLY issue farmans during her life period. The first wives were just called Zan-i-Kalan. Other than that only the Emperor can give power to somebody to issue farmans.

There is NO document, TILL NOW, as far as OUR research is concerned, which state that Ruqayya was given any power to issue farman.
During the later Mughal Emperor's time, both Shah Jahan and Aurangzeb had no mothers alive to be given this right. The daughters and sisters enjoyed power because of this.

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Regarding Padshah Begum, also there are some points, compiled from various sources:


It was an imperial title, conferred in the Mughal Harem, to the First Lady. The title could be (means not mandatory) bestowed upon the chief or principal wife, a sister, the mother or even a favored daughter of the Mughal Emperor. The title could be held by only one lady at a time.


Reference:
Journal of Numismatic Society of India, Volume-20/21., Year-1958, page-223.




Coming to Akbar, he had 3 chief queens.
So, how could he give Padshah Begum title to any 1 queen.?
Coz that can only be given to a single lady at a time. 😉

BTW, we even doubt that Akbar EVER gave any such title.!!.😉.
Or this is ANOTHER MU of Internet.?.😉
Since, could not get any documentation, starting from ::

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Till now were BARE FACTS.

Now, the conclusions.😊

Tried searching a lot.
But, concluded that, it was NOT that giving Padshah Begum title was a necessity.

The reason for this conclusion is given in above points.
Because, NOT ALL ladies, got Padshah Begum title, in succession.😕


P.S. --> This is what is the status at present. Coz TILL NOW , did NOT get any document saying Ruqayya was Padshah Begum. On Internet, people claim that in Jahangirnama it is given that Ruqayya was Padshah Begum, but i COULD NOT find so, even after reading it PERSONALLY .!!.

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Note:

Above points are as per "present findings" ..!..

P.S. -->
1. Above points have NOT been sourced from Internet.
2. In future, if we get something, will update here.😊
(research is STILL ON..!..whatever is DOCUMENTED only that has been written here.)

Abhay hats off to you, KDR81 (Kamal) and Lizzy2012 for all the pain staking research you guys are doing
It is wonderful reading👏👏👏

Originally posted by: history_geek

I did not compare this with the Serial..😊. Had i done so, i won't have posted this..!!...😆..

Just mentioned that contemporary accounts mention MUZ as Queen Mother of Hindustan, aka, Malika-e-Hindustan.😊

And, NONE of THEM talks of Ruqayya.😕 And, no where, found this title for Ruqayya, "TILL NOW".

perhaps..frm the begining time of JA to till ruq's miscarriage happened..ruq was chanting herself as muz n malika e hind in show but after her miscarriage,i don't remember is she yet saying herself as malika e hind( i could b wrong)
thanx abhay,kamal n lizzy for giving these valuable information.

Originally posted by: peepu

Abhay. ..after seeing a pile on of questions you have to answer I just want to ask one more question. .lol but I have to ask it..😆

Is it true that Sharifuddin lusted after jodha for which he was punished by jalal😲?

Hi Peepu

I answered a similar question before. 😊
BTW, i seriously doubt Sharif's intention. Coz his actions, signify something. 😕
Though, i have the following info at present. Read this comment.

Here is the link:
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/97889118

And, the comment:

Originally posted by: katana

Hi Abhay,

In history did Shariffuddin really wanted to marry Jodha. Any idea.

Originally posted by: history_geek

Hi..😊...

Till now ,
Didn't come across any document claiming his "singular intention about Jodha Explicitly"...

But It is "MENTIONED" that he wanted "Amer Royalty to be his hostage".😕..

Yes..
This is also correct that despite Akbar asking him, for release of Amer's prince and 2 nephews of Raja Bharamal, TWICE he ignored, as shown IN the SHOW during his marriage event with Heera..😕..

And, even many more events..😊..

Reference::>
1.
Akbarnama,v2,p241,Vrs-1,Ln-2,(Translation from ORIGINAL PERSIAN)...

2.
Royal Docs

Also, later on he rebelled atleast thrice...😕...before meeting his end...😕

The above mentioned info was a 100% fact without any spice.👍🏼Total truth confirmed.
Infact, that marriage event was shown correctly on show.(i mean core events..)


Following from my reading experience::>>

The thing is , even if there were any such info, the emperor would have made sure that no such scum comes up in Royal documents , as this would have involved his closest Relatives...

But, i seriously doubt Sharif's intention..this is what i have inferred regarding his character till now..
And, i doubt his intentions...
Well...still reading...
If in future i get anything i ll PM u.

Hats off to you !! Amazing info, sure eye-opener!! 👏

This is only in fun, Abhay, but I do feel u r fida over MUZ 😉

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

This is only in fun, Abhay, but I do feel u r fida over MUZ 😉

Hi Radhika😊

After a long time..!..
M just writing some facts. ROFL..
And, not ONLY me, 2-3 more people are writing.😉

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

This is only in fun, Abhay, but I do feel u r fida over MUZ 😉

450 years on MUZ charm still works😉

Originally posted by: history_geek

Hi Peepu

I answered a similar question before. 😊
BTW, i seriously doubt Sharif's intention. Coz his actions, signify something. 😕
Though, i have the following info at present. Read this comment.

Here is the link:
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/97889118

And, the comment:

The thing is , even if there were any such info, the emperor would have made sure that no such scum comes up in Royal documents , as this would have involved his closest Relatives...

Hmm so makes me wonder what else would have been swept under the royal carpet??!!!!!

BTW Abhay since Adham end is coming in about 1-1.5 month and you told me to expect fun stuff now, please just tell me your opinion (I don't want proof or only valid info), I am just curious about our scatter brain Javeda, what happened to her, you read any bits?

Originally posted by: katana

When did Maham lose her PM post to Adga Khan?

It was Munim Khan who lost the post of Wakil-e-Sultanate to Atga Khan.😊

Infact, Maham Anga had appointed Munim Khan as the Wakil .
Munim Khan was a close confident of Maham.😉
Atga's appointment, aroused insecurity among Munim, Maham and Adham.

More details in the update regarding Adham's end, in a few days.😊