Mariam Uz Zamani-Pt1- Updt-MUZ-P39+Padshah Begum-P40+Salim and MUZ-P46 - Page 40

Originally posted by: najma123

i have a question. did audha begum actually mention that she was padshah begum or something in the show? i am an ardent fan. but i havent watched it from episode 1 and now i am not into watching the beginning episodes. this question is because, i do not remember anyone in the show saying anything close to padshah begum. would be glad if you clear it and would be ever grateful if you could pm me the reply. see, you have made a lot of posts.. all are worth reading. i am getting all muddled.. so if you do so, i will be thankful. sorry i am not posting emoji... need to read the other posts you have made.

No. Till now there has been no mention of Padshah Begum in the show.
:)

Originally posted by: history_geek

these coins are issued after akbar death in jahagir era by jahangir
In 1605, the first year of his reign, Jahangir (reigned 1605-27) issued a gold mohur coin bearing a memorial portrait of his father Akbar (reigned 1556-1605). The Arabic inscription beside the fine portrait translates 'God is Great auspicious year I'. The large sun on the reverse is a reference to the Ilahi era introduced by Akbar, which was based on the solar calendar.

i too only read about akbar sun coins but so far not found any image of them
if you found any plz post them 😊

Originally posted by: history_geek

5. his 1st rajput wife, maryam zamani / harka bai, was given incharge of the Haj department, seeing her interest in commercial affairs. (HAJ used to be a very very im[ortant dept. in those days)

which year MUZ was given the charge of Haj department ? during akbar time or

jahangir time ?

6.She was given incharge of the ships used in overseas trade,(from port of surat), this made her really rich, something, which salim / Jahangir also mentions in his memoirs.

yes i too read that

is there any other women in mughal court ever did ship trading like MUZ ?

10. Like only a few other women at court, Maryam-uz-Zamani was granted the right to issue official documents (farmans), usually the exclusive privilege of the emperor. So you can see that she was very powerful and had the emperor's ear at all times.

i think mother queens are granted the right to issue farmans but i'm confuse
have only the successor mother queen can issue farmans or all mother queens ?
if we know the year MUZ starting giving farmaans will clear this question 😃

16. on birth of his son, Danial. he was born in ajmer , at the place of sheikh danial. he was sent to Amer, after few days of birth, to be brought up by Raja Bharmal's wife, so that he may attain etiquettes(obviously to be brought up in hindu traditions). This move was stiffly opposed by Mughal nobles, but akbar went ahead. Clearly, this shows, though he may have many wives, both Mughal and Rajput, but still Amer was somewhat more close to him.

i do not mean daniyal was hindu, but only that he was sent to amer to be brought up there, as per rajputana culture.

I wonder how many of you knew of it. Atleast, for me it was tough to digest.!!

i've too read this but nothing to be surprised becasue i think akbar didn't sent daniyal alone he surly sent a Mughal noble team who also looked up the care & up bringing given to daniyal & akbar was also updated with all the teaching & traning info which was given to daniyal in ameer because even today in countries like UAE, Saudi Arabis governed by a hereditary emir/king there children(future successors) are sent to best institutions of world although these institutions give them full proof protection & safety but still there are a team of there own people from there own country who watch them from there daily routine to guarding them icluding sending there every report back home

so there is no doubt akbar trusted & respected ammeris thats why he wanted his son to boughtup there but its tough to digest akbar sent his son to broughtup as ONLY Hindu traditions

Hi, history-geek, welcome back.We r also back to bother u.U said Daniyal was born in ajmer, u hvn't mentioned to whom, but I presume he was MUZ's son.Hv u already posted regarding Akbar's children?If so pl. give me the thread. Leave aside Mughals, I want to ask u, how many wives did Bharmal hv?At what age Jodha must hv got married considering some posts claiming that she gave birth to Salim at the age of 42😲 U hv already said that Salim was born after 7 yrs of marraige.was this a first of it's kind marraige i.e intercaste?After this did any Hindu king got his daughter married to akbar?

Originally posted by: geeta58

Hi, history-geek, welcome back. We r also back to bother u.

1.
U said Daniyal was born in ajmer, u hvn't mentioned to whom, but I presume he was MUZ's son.Hv u already posted regarding Akbar's children?If so pl. give me the thread.

2.
Leave aside Mughals, I want to ask u, how many wives did Bharmal hv?

3.
At what age Jodha must hv got married considering some posts claiming that she gave birth to Salim at the age of 42.😲 U hv already said that Salim was born after 7 yrs of marraige.was this a first of it's kind marraige i.e intercaste?After this did any Hindu king got his daughter married to akbar?

4.
Who were Babar's wives? They came along with him? or he married them here?

5.
I am given to understand that marrying their cousins started much later in Mughals.

6.
Was Shariffuddin was also related to Akbar?

7.
Does this kissa of Sharif eying Jodha holds any truth in the history?I think nobody would dare to do so.

Abhay, u can post ur answer as n when u like, but pl. do.

Hey Geeta,

These days, responding late to questions, so kindly bear with late replies. 😊 BTW, no problems in asking, as i am now more used to bombardings, more so, since the ' last few days ' . 😉 Ok, So coming to your queries. Responding point-wise.


1.
Yes, Daniyal was born in Ajmer only. You may have a look at this NEW thread, for Akbar-MUZ children. -->>> Akbar - MUZ Kids :: Part-6 : JA is NOT Fiction .


2.
I do not know this with 100% assurity, but i remember, i have read about his 4 wives, as per best of my knowledge. Bharmal had less wives, this is sure.


3.
Interesting question, finally someone asked this, before "drawing conclusions". 😃 Till now, we(I, KDR81 and Lizzy) were reading 'strange' comments with certain conclusions based on HK's DOB, even without knowing her ACTUAL age. 😉 We thought, it's better to wait, until someone asks.😃😉 As you have asked the AGE, so disclosing this.

As per our info, Akbar married HK when she was not even 16 years old, in 1562.😉.😲.😃. We're glad, you asked this. 😉 [ PS -- Do not bring the DOB mentioned on Internet here. 🥱🤢 ]

Salim was born in 1569. Yes, other Hindu princesses also married him afterwards, BUT they were JUST political necessities / alliances, nothing more. No more explanations required here. 😊


6.
Yes, Sharif-ud-din was related to Akbar, as he was the husband of Bakshi Bano, Akbar's half-sister. If you are asking about his origins, then he also had Timurid background, as his mother was the daughter of one of the paternal aunts of Babur. Sharif-ud-din was from a highly noble background to be proud of, both from mother and father's side.

His father's name was Khwaja Muin, about whom we read as a materialistic person, who had the opportunity to perform Haj, and he came to Agra in 1563-64 to meet Akbar. Sharif-ud-din's grandfather, Khwaja Mahmud, was received as a distinguished guest in the court of Humayun. His great grandfather was Khwaja Kalan, whose father, Khwaja Nasir-ud-din Ubaid-ul-lah Ahrar, was a Sufi saint of Naqshabandi order. And, Babur's father, Umar Sheikh Mirza was a disciple of Khwaja Nasir-ud-din Ubaid-ul-lah Ahrar(mentioned above). Also, Babur had an interaction with Nasir-ud-din's sons. Akbar had granted a jagir to the descendants of this Sufi Saint in Lahore, when they visited him, during their stay here for 16 years, before returning to Samarkand, in Central Asia.
So, the chronology is ---- Khwaja Nasir-ud-din Ubaid-ul-lah Ahrar > Khwaja Kalan > Khwaja Mahmud > Khwaja Muin > Sharif-ud-din

Coming to Sharif-ud-din's mother. His mother was Kichak Begum, who was the daughter of Fakhar Jahan Begum and Mir Ala-ul-Mulk Tirmizi. Fakhar Jahan Begum was the daughter of Sultan Abu' Sa'id Mirza of SamarKand, who was the grandfather of Babur, and father of Umar Sheikh Mirza. Hence, Fakhar Jahan Begum was a paternal aunt of Babur.
And, the chronology of Mughals is ---- Sultan Abu' Sa'id Mirza > Umar Sheikh Mirza > Babur > Humayun > Akbar

Hence, by connection from mother's side, Sharif-ud-din had Timurid blood in his veins, and by father's side he had a noble Sufi background. Still, we know he was different from both, and was a troublemaker. 🤢


4.
Babur already had wives(10 approx.) before coming to Hindustan in 1526. But they stayed back in Kabul. His paternal aunt, Fakhar Jahan Begum visited him in Agra on 17 November 1527 and returned back to Kabul on 20 September 1528. During this time, Babur got to know about the 'atmosphere' (this was the word mentioned in the accounts) of Kabul from her, and this was one of the reasons for him to , consequently, call his Begums from Kabul to Agra.


5.
No. This is wrong, if you have heard this from anywhere else. The practice was present previously also. Even Babur married Dildar Begum, daughter of his uncle, Sultan Mahmud Mirza(brother of his father-Umar Sheikh Mirza), in 1510-11.


7.
I have posted this answer previously. Have a look, at this link.
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/101969226


I hope this reply serves the doubts well. 😊

Originally posted by: history_geek

Hey Geeta,

These days, responding late to questions, so kindly bear with late replies. 😊 BTW, no problems in asking, as i am now more used to bombardings, more so, since the ' last few days ' . 😉 Ok, So coming to your queries. Responding point-wise.


1.
Yes, Daniyal was born in Ajmer only. You may have a look at this NEW thread, for Akbar-MUZ children. -->>> Akbar - MUZ Kids :: Part-6 : JA is NOT Fiction .


2.
I do not know this with 100% assurity, but i remember, i have read about his 4 wives, as per best of my knowledge. Bharmal had less wives, this is sure.


3.
Interesting question, finally someone asked this, before "drawing conclusions". 😃 Till now, we(I, KDR81 and Lizzy) were reading 'strange' comments with certain conclusions based on HK's DOB, even without knowing her ACTUAL age. 😉 We thought, it's better to wait, until someone asks.😃😉 As you have asked the AGE, so disclosing this.

As per our info, Akbar married HK when she was not even 16 years old, in 1562.😉.😲.😃. We're glad, you asked this. 😉 [ PS -- Do not bring the DOB mentioned on Internet here. 🥱🤢 ]

Salim was born in 1569. Yes, other Hindu princesses also married him afterwards, BUT they were JUST political necessities / alliances, nothing more. No more explanations required here. 😊


6.
Yes, Sharif-ud-din was related to Akbar, as he was the husband of Bakshi Bano, Akbar's half-sister. If you are asking about his origins, then he also had Timurid background, as his mother was the daughter of one of the paternal aunts of Babur. Sharif-ud-din was from a highly noble background to be proud of, both from mother and father's side.

His father's name was Khwaja Muin, about whom we read as a materialistic person, who had the opportunity to perform Haj, and he came to Agra in 1563-64 to meet Akbar. Sharif-ud-din's grandfather, Khwaja Mahmud, was received as a distinguished guest in the court of Humayun. His great grandfather was Khwaja Kalan, whose father, Khwaja Nasir-ud-din Ubaid-ul-lah Ahrar, was a Sufi saint of Naqshabandi order. And, Babur's father, Umar Sheikh Mirza was a disciple of Khwaja Nasir-ud-din Ubaid-ul-lah Ahrar(mentioned above). Also, Babur had an interaction with Nasir-ud-din's sons. Akbar had granted a jagir to the descendants of this Sufi Saint in Lahore, when they visited him, during their stay here for 16 years, before returning to Samarkand, in Central Asia.
So, the chronology is ---- Khwaja Nasir-ud-din Ubaid-ul-lah Ahrar > Khwaja Kalan > Khwaja Mahmud > Khwaja Muin > Sharif-ud-din

Coming to Sharif-ud-din's mother. His mother was Kichak Begum, who was the daughter of Fakhar Jahan Begum and Mir Ala-ul-Mulk Tirmizi. Fakhar Jahan Begum was the daughter of Sultan Abu' Sa'id Mirza of SamarKand, who was the grandfather of Babur, and father of Umar Sheikh Mirza. Hence, Fakhar Jahan Begum was a paternal aunt of Babur.
And, the chronology of Mughals is ---- Sultan Abu' Sa'id Mirza > Umar Sheikh Mirza > Babur > Humayun > Akbar

Hence, by connection from mother's side, Sharif-ud-din had Timurid blood in his veins, and by father's side he had a noble Sufi background. Still, we know he was different from both, and was a troublemaker. 🤢


4.
Babur already had wives(10 approx.) before coming to Hindustan in 1526. But they stayed back in Kabul. His paternal aunt, Fakhar Jahan Begum visited him in Agra on 17 November 1527 and returned back to Kabul on 20 September 1528. During this time, Babur got to know about the 'atmosphere' (this was the word mentioned in the accounts) of Kabul from her, and this was one of the reasons for him to , consequently, call his Begums from Kabul to Agra.


5.
No. This is wrong, if you have heard this from anywhere else. The practice was present previously also. Even Babur married Dildar Begum, daughter of his uncle, Sultan Mahmud Mirza(brother of his father-Umar Sheikh Mirza), in 1510-11.


7.
I have posted this answer previously. Have a look, at this link.
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/101969226


I hope this reply serves the doubts well. 😊

Thanks a lot,history-geek,(u really r🤓) U hv taken so much trouble.😲👏 The mughal history is so vast, n the names😆 r long n confusing.So it is possible that we forget something n ask u again n again the same qstns.sorry if we hv done that 😳.I applaude whole of ur team fr ur efforts.👏

Originally posted by: history_geek

What to reply here..?..😆..
Just one thing that.. I need not join the college.😉(Hope you got the meaning..😆)

BTW, I am not fida over MUZ, but just got CuriouS about the fact that a lady could have such an important position in those times, which led to far-reaching changes.😊 Also, see the fact that she was from a DIFFERENT culture, family, background, STILL carved an IDENTITY in Mughal household, and the REST is history, which we are discussing and debating .!. 😊



See my recent comment.
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/102401274
Not only me or the people who research with me, BUT the world ACCEPTS about her:😉


The Oxford Encyclopedia Of Women in World History, Vol-4, Page-656, notes the name of Hk/Jodha/MUZ as an influential wife in Akbar's life, who exemplified his religious tolerance and also in shaping many POLICIES in the Mughal Empire.😊


There are MORE such sources. The thing is, she is VERY much present in history (contrary to popular opinion that, she is NOT) and the ONLY thing which is required is to GET HER OUT from those texts.😊

Radhika is pulling Abhay's leg😲😆

Originally posted by: minnie2308

Radhika is pulling Abhay's leg😲😆

I love how Abhay puts all points across with pg nos, etc...😳

⭐️ It takes a strong woman to achieve what MUZ could👏

Yes Radhika,Abhay is thoroughly enjoying all the attention he is recieving frm girls frm IF. 😉 He is so much obssesed with MUZ, I am afraid, there will be metamorphosis of him into Akbar😛 as in case of Vidya balan in Bhool bhulaiyya. Then we will hv parallal entertainment😆 But I am worried if history- geek becomes only MuZman as he professes, then what will happen to all those girls who r going ga ga over his knowledge/ him😃As u said there must hv been definitely increase in attendence in history classes(boys) wherein boys must be mugging all possible answers to all the historical serials on TV ready to join the forum to give him tough competetion.😆 history geek, hum mazaak kar rahe the.👍🏼 Btw, be prepared fr the gherao fr the new entry of Madam Mahachuchuk😃