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Posted: 13 years ago
Hey Maverick,

very well written post!

It does appear to convey the essence of what the CVs are trying to portray.

I trust that Arnav surely has a good motive in the current track.

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Posted: 13 years ago
just loved the post... amazing... i think there are many feminists there in this forum... actually i cant understand what everyone really wany... this is a very unique love story and it also have got a unique way of potrayal of characters... when we are gonna watch IPKKND we have to expect many thing which we cant digest easily... because this is love story between the arrogant ASR and the thoda paagal,but sweet khushi...
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Posted: 13 years ago
BRILLIANT POST!

Finally someone who sees the positive side to the current situation.
LOVED every single point you mentioned here.
HATS OFF.

Manal <3

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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: tiya229

I think all of this stuff is building "friendship" between the two -- they are now playing with each other, taunting, challenging, pulling each other's leg etc etc. This is building that fundamental relationship -- remember, wife and husband relationship is not just about "warm cuddly" moments -- a man will DIE if all he can do with his wife is "warm cuddly" stuff with constant attention to be paid to "real sensitivity" -- He should be allowed to be himself because the WIFE needs to understand that MEN are not all CUDDLY all the time. He is establishing a mode of communication with her. YEP he knows that he screwed up -- before you yell at me, you know I watch the show for Khushi. But Khushi is now learning to be with a man who wants that playful fun relationship with his wife that he got accustomed to. She needs to trust in their love and play along -- that LOVE is what is being established now.


the problem is that there is no balance of power between them. all things said and done, Khushi in her WILDEST dreams cant hit ASR where it hurts, whereas he can, in phone call, make her homeless.
so, trusting this man, is out of the question. Loving him a distant dream.

@underline: Khushi ruined his night's sleep. Big f**k! But the next day, he wants her to pay up another 24000 or come to RM. No equality there. All the taunting is done by him, and the curveballs are thrown at her.

The "Nok jhok" of this calibre would be more enjoyable and funny, if they were atleast on the same footing.


Who says there should be perfect equality for a happy life?... many a time one of the partner gives more to the relationship... sometimes it could be the man and sometimes the woman... there are people who have troubled past and hence turn out troublesome... when they find partners who understand and absorb...they could aim for a fulfilling life... not everything in this world is PERFECT
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Posted: 13 years ago
Agree with most of ur points...but does he has to be so cruel...if he attacks her its ok...but when it comes to her family...well then we all will have to wait n watch what she will do...meaning today...she might give in...n go back to RH...but she wont give up...
Edited by Fazila~ - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: Maverick29


LOL! see the obsessive compulsive side of me -- I am responding to SJ -- In general I would have let it play out! OK fun for a couple of days!


Obsessive compulsive side or maybe its just being HUMAN :-)
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Posted: 13 years ago
Amazing post...I totally agree with you. Great analysis. 👏

This is their love story and I am really enjoying it. Though I wished ASR had tried to woo her differently, I have realized that this is ASR style and it would look fake if he did it the other way round.
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: Maverick29


Again the ANGER!!! Ok a simple exercise for you as friends -- dont start assuming things about me but just do this for me. Simple exercise -- I wrote almost the same thing in the post:

If you are capable of removing thoughts of malicious intent in Arnav's mind out of your brain -- stop thinking that the guy is simply trying to "DOMINATE HER" -- make her his "bitch" (since you know ebonics)!!! He is doing this as someone that is in LOVE -- will you give him the benefit of the doubt? Will you let him try his way for a few days and then tell him "it is not working for me" or with you throw the baby out with the bath water? Remember you are in LOVE.

My assumption which I made clear through the events I was predicting and the episode in the context of that "predicted future" was always that the CVs will make him see the light through these antics.

You are pushing way too much "black and white" -- believe me when I say I am that way but life teaches "grey" -- through so many nuances and exceptions to the rule. The whole package as I put it!

So, again we have the deal -- no change results in Shit Bombs but I think there is a change coming. Now depending on how many viewers these guys want to lose, they will either let the transition complete before they introduce Shyam and separate Khushi and Arnav or just jump the gun which will negate everything I predicted!!!

Cheers.


maverick - i am not pushing any of my thoughts into this. the fact is very simple for me - this brand of "wooing", "loving", "grey" "antics" is not entertaining me. Simple. isn't that as easy as it gets?

i am not angry. I am just a viewer with very strong opinions. And life has taught me many greys which i choose to apply on real people around me, not a show i watch for entertainment. a show must entertain and this track is not entertaining me. bas.

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Posted: 13 years ago
This is a forum whereby active discussion is essential! I am therefore glad to see a "man's" pov! I thought long and hard about responding because quiet frankly am puzzled by the many opinions whereby it appears that gender, class, status and all the other immaterial things in life seem to cause such controversy about Khushi vs. Arnav.
For those of us who have lived a life that is based on years of experience in relationships, family, love and in general just plain old life we cannot understand what the issues are! I am one such person who has lived a long life with grown up children, grandchildren and two marriages! Well one marriage and in a common law relationship for over 20 years!
What most see as in humane treatment if Khushi, I see as a young inexperience girl who just does not know when to ask for help! No one in their right minds woud subject themselves to what she did without seeking parental help or even that of the law! She reminds me of the type of individual who tries too hard to please everyone and in the long run pleases no one! Khushi does not have the experience to take on the responsibilities that she does! What was she thinking about in that very first scene when she intervened in Payal's marriage? More specifically where are the adults in her life who should be parenting her? Most recently the whole kidnapping story was at best far fetched in that she could really have saved anyone in that situation without professional help! Again where are the responsible adults in her life and why can she not ask for help! That is what parents are for! Yet in this story there us little or no parenting in terms of dealing with real life problems! But to be realistic if indeed there were to be effective parenting then there would be no show!
As far as Arnav is concerned here is another classic example of a poor little rich boy who had to grow up before his time! He was not allowed to be young and carefree he had to shoulder full family responsibilities before he could probably say the word responsibility!! So what does he know? Step on anyone and anything to get what you want ! Self preservation! Self made man! These type of folks are tough as nails and do not suffer fools gladly! But everyone has an "Achilles heel" and in his case he cannot trust in the love between a man and a woman because that equals weakness!
So bring in the daring angel named Khushi and pit her against the devil! Wha t would you expect? But In this case the devil does have a heart and the angel has seen it and cannot forget it! Love has brought about many positive changes in both of them! But it is still a work in progress!
So please stop looking at each situation in isolation because quiet frankly the show thus far has done litte to show consistency in characterization. If you compare each of Khushi's actions verses all of Arnav's you will see that they are both lacking! And this has nothing to do with looks, status or money! It has to do with upbringing an maturity. How many of you woud go to your husband employees for a loan? Counter that with how many of you would ask your employees to proposition a woman to offset her rent increase with an indecent proposal! Checkmate, both of them acted stupidly!
If I may leave you with one thought ... Please do not meddle in a husband and wife quarrels! Khushi and Arnav are husband and wife and I must agree wth Marverick in that they are both enjoying themselves despite all the challenges! Khushi knows that the root cause of Arnav's schemes is to get her back home and she is stubborn enought to fight him to the point of throwing in the towel but still making him pay for that!
Everyday is now a redemption track for these two but IPKKND style not what most forum members want!
Just my opinion. No bashing intended!
Maya
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: Maverick29

A bunch of friends like the following when I wrote it on one of Rima's posts. They asked me to make it a post so more people can read it. So, here it is -- Please note, i am just cutting and pasting this -- it was meant to be a response to Rima!:


This is probably the first time when we will have a completely different opinion because of our Gender!!! Let me explain why.

Yes what practically everyone is saying is correct -- There needs to be "some sensitivity" involved in dealing with Khushi. But first let me tell you what I think and then jog your memory on some of the events of the past.

I think all of this stuff is building "friendship" between the two -- they are now playing with each other, taunting, challenging, pulling each other's leg etc etc. This is building that fundamental relationship -- remember, wife and husband relationship is not just about "warm cuddly" moments -- a man will DIE if all he can do with his wife is "warm cuddly" stuff with constant attention to be paid to "real sensitivity" -- He should be allowed to be himself because the WIFE needs to understand that MEN are not all CUDDLY all the time. He is establishing a mode of communication with her. YEP he knows that he screwed up -- before you yell at me, you know I watch the show for Khushi. But Khushi is now learning to be with a man who wants that playful fun relationship with his wife that he got accustomed to. She needs to trust in their love and play along -- that LOVE is what is being established now.

In general I say this in every deal I walk into -- the first tone we set remains as the impression between the teams. Irrespective of how hard you try, that mode of communication does not change. With his sister it is a "responsibility". While his wife is his responsibility, he needs a different kind of relationship with her. He cannot really do the prank stuff with his sister -- he never knew how because their life was always SERIOUS. So, as soon as he sees his sister the thing that comes to his mind is "she needs my support" -- I will be may be exaggerating if I say it is a chore -- but it kind of is till he breaks that with her as well -- he is constantly worried about her.

Now coming to Khushi -- we know she can take care of herself and she is SUPER STRONG. So, he knows he can push her into breaking that barrier between them. You need to understand that not all human beings are the same -- Khushi is shown as this strong playful character. She bounced back from everything and smiled the next day because she has faith that she will eventually WIN.

His main goal in this Nok Jhok is to fan her LOVE for him. He is constantly in her proximity. He is constantly talking to her -- believe me she loves his company and this whole time she is spending with him while she has the pain inside of what he did to hurt her.

This way is better when it finally culminates in that "beautiful apology" he gave after he screwed up around the death anniversary. That apology though short cleared up all the crap between them. That is enough to set things straight after he FANS all the LOVE she has for him.

Today's episode was NOT meaning less -- it had a lot of meaning. She was so damn happy when she was packing those gifts because he was sitting right behind her.

Here is an exercise -- put yourself in her shoes, forget the feminism and what others will think of you stuff for a bit. Say you are in love with this BOZO who hasnt apologized for crap but has been running around you like a puppy for 3 weeks now constantly reminding you of a relationship you wanted in the first place. Would you enjoy this leg pulling if you trusted that the guy will never do "wrong" to you? Your only requirement now to be completely in love with him or be one with him is that he apologize once. Other than that, he is doing everything you wanted him to do -- woo you like crazy, be around you all the time, pull your leg because you are that type of a person ... Think about it, dont you think that this is exactly what you would enjoy?

As for intensity etc, I think that is a bit of direction magic that is missing as you will see in my "Jog your memory" section.

Now to Jog Your Memory: Guys remember the way these guys developed their relationship -- it was through a bunch of gaffes interspersed with some really beautiful moments when you guys wanted them to "make out"! He knows Khushi differently than any other person.

1. She just yelled at him and showed him at the building. She showed that she can be aggressive. Picturization was excellent
2. She came to his house and yelled at him -- again very different from everyone -- she can take care of herself. -- this followed by TEEJ was AWESOME.
3. She poured Mango Juice (santreki nahin mili na) in his shoes, made him Jalebi Bai, and put "misrey" in his Car -- all in one single day -- showing that she will retaliate -- again she can take of herself. This followed by "DHAK DHAK, TARE, Him EVERYWHERE ...) --- it was beautiful.
4. She hugged him when her father was in the hospital -- she TRUSTS him. That was by far the most touching scene in the whole story so far -- she went to him again in her hour of need -- CLEAR LOVE AND TRUST -- but TOO PROUD to admit it to him.
5. She worked with him calling him Laad Governor in getting his bro and her sis together. Even though he kind of yelled at her from time to time -- he saw that she is capable of fun stuff.
6. She challenged him and they got together great at the wedding. We saw the way those scenes were shot -- it was the way they were shown that was magic we could have that in a few scenes now but that was missing.

So, this is what HE knows of her. After this she pulled his leg constantly trying to hold her own. She saved his life twice ...

So, his impression of her is "FIGHTER that can take care of herself, trusts him, is in love with him and yes is badly hurt and hence running away from him" -- also she has a huge ego, just as big as his and he bruised it too many times (despite which she is in love with him) and he needs to make her "forget" the ego and get down in the mud with him.

So, the final thing they will show is him sacrificing his ego for her and then apologizing to her completing what is a "BEAUTIFUL" way of bringing them together.

So, I am with this approach. He is establishing how he is going to be with her -- she has to establish the same. Every couple has a way of existing -- this is theirs. He is showing LOVE now. If he showed GUILT all day that would be the MOST BORING show really. THat Guilt in good measure in one episode followed by a lot of things that she loves will make you all happy believe me. And like I said, Khushi is ENJOYING this ATTENTION. So, if you think like her you will enjoy it too. THis thing is building up really well.

Cheers


Umm...are you telling me if your husband (say you are married if you are not for argument's sake) threw you and your family out of your home, ie, made you homeless, insulted you in front of strangers, his employees, no less, treated you like a prostitute, $ for service - do as I say - and abused you physically, emotionally and mentally, you would love this. Because hey, this is his way of showing you love, because you are a fighter? And you would love it? PUHLEEEZE!!!! If he knows her, then he should know that she tries to hide everything behind a smile and pretending to be normal. Remember the terrace incident (when he told her why he married her.) This is a classic case of abuse - plain and simple. He wants to control her because that's all he can do.

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