Weekend Musing... - Page 3

Originally posted by: Aeryn

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Interesting post JZephyr.

Well I like to think Kesar and Gulaal were destined. In the beginning a pandit predicted that Gulaal will marry twice and that the second marriage was the one meant to last - and indeed Vasant died soon after their wedding. For me Vasant never was written in Gulaal's future, he served as a bridge to unite KesGul. Even if Dushy hadn't killed him (because he was not there or simply didn't pursue Gulaal for himself), I like to think that fate will come in again. An accident in the factory, on the road, etc. there are many other possibilities other than Dushy being the killer!

But let's give AU a try. A Vasant-Gulaal-Kesar triangle is something that I have already thought of. I feel that such a triangle would have been a very much more complicated or rather delicate matter to deel with. Let's say Vasant didn't die but still Kesar grew up to come to the same realisation that he's in love with Gulaal. Him having the same feelings towards her even though his brother is still alive isn't a farfectched possibility. CV's from the beginning highlighted the fact that Kesar didn't see Gulaal through her rishta with Vasant or anyone else as a matter of fact but indeed saw her through his own feelings for her. At the time he was a child, she never was his bhabi but HIS friend, HIS special favorite person. It stands to reason his love for her isn't dependent on Vasant being alive or not. So in this scenario Kesar one day come to realise his love for his brother's wife - what then? Seeing the current situation, the impossibility of this love being fulfilled, I think that he would have put distance from Gulaal. She in turn could have questioned him on this recent change of behaviour and Kesar being Kesar would have, on impluse (after she insisted), let out his less than platonic feelings towards her. I expect her to react the same way she did in the serial - calling it paap, refusing to believe it is even love in the first place and of course she would have hid it from Vasant. But now let's say that occassions were given to Kesar to prove the reality of his love for her and Gulaal finally understanding it, accepting it and herself coming to the realisation that she may love Vasant but her love for Kesar is so much more, their bond so much more deeper - again what then? Would Gulaal chose feelings over principles? Would she live her entire life with regret and shame that she's somewhat deceiving Vasant? And Kesar, wouldn't he feel pained and ashamed having created this turmoil into Gulaal and her relationship with his brother? Wouldn't he feel like having these feelings is a sort of betrayal towards Vasant (being the cause for the possible break of his marriage)?

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Originally posted by: angel68

In another AU Gulaal would have died a widow and Kesar would never become a man with the biggest and kindest heart.

In another AU Gulaal would have never come to Talsagra or married anyone and Kesar would never have been born.

In another AU Gulaal would have come to Talsagra and married Vasant and Dhusyant would have killed Vasant and she would have died coz there is no Kesar.

In another AU there might not be a Gulaal and Vasant so Kesar would have become the sarpanch of Talsagra and never married anyone.




" I could come back a thousand times... and see her die a thousand ways. " Dr Alexander Hartdegen. Time Machine 2002.


There are a thousand and one Alternate Realities.


and also " Uber-Morlock: You built your time machine because of Emma's death. If she had lived, it would never have existed. (So how could you use your machine to go back in time and save her?) You are the inescapable result of your tragedy, just as I am the inescapable result of you... " Time Machine 2002.

nb: you can omit the sentence in the bracket while you read the quote to make more sense out of it.

Hope my mumbo-jumbo is understandable.


So therefore in this reality, that Kesar should be with Gulaal answers itself.

Originally posted by: *Reemz*

Phew! What an interesting musing you have come up with 😛

What if Vasant never had a younger brother 'Kesar'?

IF Vasant never had a younger brother Kesar then Gulaal wouldn't have gone to Talsagra in the first place. That's my initial take on it because I feel Gulaal coming across Vasant and her finding water in Talsagra was just a pre-planned sketch from someone else who wanted Gulaal to eventually reach her true soul mate aka Kesar. But if we assume GV got married and Dushyant killed Vasant then I don't see how Gulaal would have stayed to fulfill Vasant's 'sapna' especially because KESAR was that sapna. That's what GV called him right? In the show, she had to choose between Dushyant and Kesar if she had to stay in the house. In your scenario, I don't think Gulaal would ever resort to marrying Dushyant to fulfill Vasant's dreams. I mean the woman ACTUALLY married a child in the show to avoid marrying Dushyant! That says something about how adamant she was in not getting hitched to him. Kesar gave Gulaal that hope for better days. Without him, what dream would she weave?

[quote]What if the Nirja Vasant went out in search of was a 50 some year old woman who came to save Talsagra village? So Vasant would have never been enamored by the beauty of this pretty girl, never fallen in love with the virtues of her heart which equaled her external charisma. Dushyant would have never found lust cum obsession for the lover, then wife of his brother, and hence never killed him. But most importantly, Kesar would have never met Gulaal! [/quote]

You know that's where I feel Kesar really scores over Vasant. I'm not saying Kesar would fall in love with a 50 year old woman BUT he unknowingly fell in love with Gulaal regardless of the fact that she is almost double his age. He didn't fall in love with a 19-22year old nor is he in love with a 30 year old today. He is just IN LOVE WITH GULAAL! She's always been beautiful to Kesar and not just because she is physically attractive but because she is 'Gulaal'. She will remain just as beautiful till she remains.

The possible scenario of GKV triangle is certainly intriguing but it would be really heavy duty and even more complex than the story we have on our hand. I have no doubt that Kesar would have still grown up to be just as crazily in love with Gulaal because even when he found out that Dushyant had murdered Vasant, his primary issue was the possible relationship between Dushyant and Gulaal not the fact that Dushyant killed Vasant so it's very easy to say that Gulaal ranks 1-10 for Kesar and then comes everyone else.

As far as Gulaal is concerned, she would react harshly to this love from Kesar like how she did in the show i.e. calling it a PAAP! If Vasant never died (although he had to for GK...sorry Vasant fans) then I couldn't imagine Gulaal leaving him for Kesar because she would be truly in love with her husband. Why would she leave such a loving husband like Vasant? But what she shares with Kesar would be even more deep and soulful because that is THEM. It's something the Indian audience wouldn't really grasp but Gulaal would be living with the emotion of being in love with 2 men while one is peaceful and conventional, the other is almost wild, deep and passionate. There would be moments where she would be pulled towards Kesar without her consciously wanting to because that is their connection. They're soulmates! It would be a tragic love story :(

Originally posted by: JZephyr

This is called being sucked in by a black hole - our perpetual black hole is GK-dom these days, ofc 😆

So I don't disagree with Gulaal still wanting to fulfill her responsibilities - but how would have been a vital question. Maybe she would have gone back home and found a way to do it from a distance? I can't imagine Gulaal bowing down to pressures of blokes like JK's family, but really her situation was out of hand dire, but for her way out with Kesar. Very true. Gulaal has always been a strong person and I don't think she would have left the family after V's death especially with all that danger (read Raman's intentions, MB in the hospital), looming over them. Marrying Dushy was definitely out of the question but had Kesar not been an option she would have stayed with PB, MB as V's widow.

And aaah! While you say it beautifully - Kesar being Vasant's heartbeat - oh the Kesuda phangurl in me just flips at the thought Gulaal having done her DV with Kesar cause he's Vasant's heartbeat - let's stick to the sapna line of thought 😆

On that note - that scene was oh so cute, when she's telling him about Vasant and her dream being Kesar and he's being all bratty boy at being called by a girl's name! It's uber cute that he lets her call him even sapna, as long as she doesn't do kaam tamaan of his izzat in public by calling him that elsewhere ...😆 Dushyant was always out of question. I suppose one possibility would have been a private encounter with Dushyant where the entire abduction scene played out and then Dushyant came around like he did in the show and supported her to be allowed to live in the house, respectfully as a widow? Let's not forget how Dushyant had geared up to combat dushman ki beti Nirja and in one moment of being overwhelmed by her beauty, backed off! But then, if Dushyant would have become that savior - minus of Kesar - would we have eventually had a G-D angle?! Likely, when you think of it! All the young Kesu and Gulaal scenes either bring a smile to my lips or tears to my eyes...Kesu's character has been so inricately woven, I mean we have seen every possible side to his personality - childish, innocent, naive, cute, sulky, demanding, bratty, selfish, loveable and this was the young Kesu alone. With the older Kesar add - so many layers to all the above!! I don't think a GD angle would ever happened...not even if Dushy had been the good guy! Gulaal would never have accepted another man in her life and if you think about it, even GK happened due to the circumstances. She married Kesu to protect him and the family BUT she also had this safety net - he was a child not a man and she would not have to deal with any complicated emotions getting in the way. Gulaal would not want to separate herself from Vasant by getting married to Dushy and given any options she would have preferred to remain V's widow.

Anyway - I think making a man out of Kesar was always really what Gulaal's responsibility boiled down to. Taking care of the house, keeping its people together, Rewa's crisis, Sudha's lull, Talli's adoption... and everything else just happened in the wake. The people of that house, despite their internal grudges and politics had always been under one roof, and would have continued the same way, even if Gulaal had left! No one would have discovered about Dushyant - because this is assuming there is no Kesar character and other than him and Gulaal, nobody did any search work anyway! - and all would have been the usual, as it was without her and JK's family would have risen to fore... Rewa would have been packed off sooner or later, and really, Yogesh could have still married her - Revji is a sensible man, even if Poonam tends to go berserk! It was really, beneath all her overt responsibilities - all about Kesar, and but for his character, she could have well left the house and things would have gone on!

Originally posted by: *Reemz*

Phew! What an interesting musing you have come up with 😛

What if Vasant never had a younger brother 'Kesar'?

IF Vasant never had a younger brother Kesar then Gulaal wouldn't have gone to Talsagra in the first place. That's my initial take on it because I feel Gulaal coming across Vasant and her finding water in Talsagra was just a pre-planned sketch from someone else who wanted Gulaal to eventually reach her true soul mate aka Kesar. But if we assume GV got married and Dushyant killed Vasant then I don't see how Gulaal would have stayed to fulfill Vasant's 'sapna' especially because KESAR was that sapna. That's what GV called him right? In the show, she had to choose between Dushyant and Kesar if she had to stay in the house. In your scenario, I don't think Gulaal would ever resort to marrying Dushyant to fulfill Vasant's dreams. I mean the woman ACTUALLY married a child in the show to avoid marrying Dushyant! That says something about how adamant she was in not getting hitched to him. Kesar gave Gulaal that hope for better days. Without him, what dream would she weave?

[quote]What if the Nirja Vasant went out in search of was a 50 some year old woman who came to save Talsagra village? So Vasant would have never been enamored by the beauty of this pretty girl, never fallen in love with the virtues of her heart which equaled her external charisma. Dushyant would have never found lust cum obsession for the lover, then wife of his brother, and hence never killed him. But most importantly, Kesar would have never met Gulaal! [/quote]

You know that's where I feel Kesar really scores over Vasant. I'm not saying Kesar would fall in love with a 50 year old woman BUT he unknowingly fell in love with Gulaal regardless of the fact that she is almost double his age. He didn't fall in love with a 19-22year old nor is he in love with a 30 year old today. He is just IN LOVE WITH GULAAL! She's always been beautiful to Kesar and not just because she is physically attractive but because she is 'Gulaal'. She will remain just as beautiful till she remains.

The possible scenario of GKV triangle is certainly intriguing but it would be really heavy duty and even more complex than the story we have on our hand. I have no doubt that Kesar would have still grown up to be just as crazily in love with Gulaal because even when he found out that Dushyant had murdered Vasant, his primary issue was the possible relationship between Dushyant and Gulaal not the fact that Dushyant killed Vasant so it's very easy to say that Gulaal ranks 1-10 for Kesar and then comes everyone else.

As far as Gulaal is concerned, she would react harshly to this love from Kesar like how she did in the show i.e. calling it a PAAP! If Vasant never died (although he had to for GK...sorry Vasant fans) then I couldn't imagine Gulaal leaving him for Kesar because she would be truly in love with her husband. Why would she leave such a loving husband like Vasant? But what she shares with Kesar would be even more deep and soulful because that is THEM. It's something the Indian audience wouldn't really grasp but Gulaal would be living with the emotion of being in love with 2 men while one is peaceful and conventional, the other is almost wild, deep and passionate. There would be moments where she would be pulled towards Kesar without her consciously wanting to because that is their connection. They're soulmates! It would be a tragic love story :(

Originally posted by: *Reemz*

I know I'm going on and on here but Vasant was the type of lover who would put flowers on Gulaal's grave and eventually walk away while Kesar, like Heathcliff would dig up the grave to embrace her remains.