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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Anjalg



It is all about destiny right? I have always maintained this (and as sad as it may sound), Vasant was the bridge and he brought Gulaal into Kesar's life AND Kesar into Gulaal's life. I know that your thread is about the what ifs...but I feel that Gulaal would have found her way into Talsagara one way or the other because it was meant to be and her soul was waiting for her there...

Will come back with a clear head tomorrow...😆


So Gulaal deserves Kesar, because for all her wrong and right extremities, she has always been spotless in her intention. And so, eventually all her bad times should actually come round in full circle, gift wrapped in the form of an angel like Kesar.

And minidixit and I are safely on the path of establishing, that Kesar deserves Gulaal - because he's like this diamond that needs the right person to taper its edges and bring out the brightest shine. Nobody in Kesar's life is half the complicated soul that he is (and would have been, with or without Gulaal, because let's admit, he is wired differently 😆 ) so he deserved the presence of one person - Gulaal - to walk right into his chapter and set off on the task of shaping him as the Kesar!
Edited by JZephyr - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Added some more...to my original post! 😕
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Posted: 14 years ago
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So reading your reply it struck me, there could have been the yet another angle. What if, there had been no Dushyant? What if then, Vasant had never been killed -My God, what a possibility! brilliant!- and Gulaal never a widow?

Kesar's thing for Gulaal has been quite from the beginning - as he himself told her tujhpar main apna haq samjhata aya hun, aur ye aaj se nahin hai... bina kisi rishte ki parwaa kiye... yes, yes, and another line later, after he had told her he loved her -"tere sang dor hi nahin bandhi bachpan se, ye pyaar bhi bachpan se hi hai..."

Instances like the time she made mojri for Vasant and Kesar wanted it for himself, or when he acted bratty to talk to Gulaal first on the phone, or even when for the pag-phera rasam he told Vasant that he's always taking Gulaal away from him, but today it will be other way round... while in that part Gulaal was just really attached and fond of Kesar - irrespective of his relationship with Vasant - Kesar himself always cut a different slot for Gulaal. Who knows, what things would have been like in the triangle of Vasant-Gulaal-Kesar once Kesar grew up, minus Dushyant and Vasant murder?
@ bold :another brilliant possibility! You are now becoming intricate like gulaal CV's ...I am sure Gulaal CV's would have treated that triangle also with subtle intricacies and brought us another brilliant story...another version of "Gulaal'..

So while Vasant's death has fatefully made Gulaal a part of Kesar's life as his partner, his own inclinations for her were always some indication - the fact that he never got over her, in a decade of gap - is testimony of how deep rooted his feelings are! Gulaal - because of the unique traits she could bring out in him - was always indispensable, and that had nothing to do with her being his beloved brother's wife. He hated her first sight, and let's not forget he threw a stone at her the first time he saw her, lol - but then she just intrigued him, and finally she was his favorite person - whatever her bond or role in his life. The absolute favorite - a position which once she took over, never went to anyone else in Kesar's list! So true ...he never ever gave that position to absolutely anyone else, and look at the way he is standing by her now, when the whole house is against her...she always was and Is...HIS Gulaal... beautiful, the kind of love he has for her, bordering on total devotion !
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Alright, before the weekend ends for me, i have to jump in to this pool of dicussions😊

Your topics are always intresting to read. The questions that you have asked are critical to answer, because if we start making assumptions, the whole story would change with different conclusions.
Kesar and gulaal were always meant to be together but nobody knew that thier union would bring sorrows in the family as of vasant's death and kesar being gulaal's husband. Nobody would have thought that gulaal will be marrying a 12year old boy. But this had to happen, because thats how destiny has hold their future.
If gulaal were to left with the only option to marry dushant on the day of DV, then the whole plot would have been different. The relationship that they would share would completely be filled in with complications. Maybe gulaal would marry dushnat with the purpose of sending him to jail lol! no matter however the situation would have been, dushant would still go to jail.
Ahh! i dont want to think about the whole different story, this will blow my mind😆
I love the current story and the current track! but i love your new thoughts of questions!😊
Edited by Manoshono - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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This is called being sucked in by a black hole - our perpetual black hole is GK-dom these days, ofc 😆

Originally posted by: Anjalg



Bottom line - what would Gulaal's decision after Vasant's death have been, if there was no Kesar.
On that one...I feel Gulaal would have preferred to keep at her responsibilities and fight for the family as Vasant's widow. I don't think she would have ever opted to become Dushy's wife come hell or high water. Ok, Kesu was extremely important to Vasant and even before Gulaal stepped foot into Talsagara, she knew that Kesu was Vasant's heartbeat. So, to Gulaal, marrying Kesu was practically like marrying Vasant's heartbeat...and she became Kesu's knight in shining armour, protecting him, fighting for him, nurturing him. I remember an episode where Gulaal told Kesu that Vasant and she used to call him their 'sapna'. Kesu got very angry because he did not want to be called a girls name - sapna but that is what Kesu meant to Gulaal...Vasant's dream!! So marrying Dushy was completely out of the question!

Jeez...here I thought I would get a quick peek at the forum and call it a nite and then I saw your topic!!! Ok, back tomorrow😆


So I don't disagree with Gulaal still wanting to fulfill her responsibilities - but how would have been a vital question. Maybe she would have gone back home and found a way to do it from a distance? I can't imagine Gulaal bowing down to pressures of blokes like JK's family, but really her situation was out of hand dire, but for her way out with Kesar.

And aaah! While you say it beautifully - Kesar being Vasant's heartbeat - oh the Kesuda phangurl in me just flips at the thought Gulaal having done her DV with Kesar cause he's Vasant's heartbeat - let's stick to the sapna line of thought 😆

On that note - that scene was oh so cute, when she's telling him about Vasant and her dream being Kesar and he's being all bratty boy at being called by a girl's name! It's uber cute that he lets her call him even sapna, as long as she doesn't do kaam tamaan of his izzat in public by calling him that elsewhere ...😆 Dushyant was always out of question. I suppose one possibility would have been a private encounter with Dushyant where the entire abduction scene played out and then Dushyant came around like he did in the show and supported her to be allowed to live in the house, respectfully as a widow? Let's not forget how Dushyant had geared up to combat dushman ki beti Nirja and in one moment of being overwhelmed by her beauty, backed off! But then, if Dushyant would have become that savior - minus of Kesar - would we have eventually had a G-D angle?! Likely, when you think of it!

Anyway - I think making a man out of Kesar was always really what Gulaal's responsibility boiled down to. Taking care of the house, keeping its people together, Rewa's crisis, Sudha's lull, Talli's adoption... and everything else just happened in the wake. The people of that house, despite their internal grudges and politics had always been under one roof, and would have continued the same way, even if Gulaal had left! No one would have discovered about Dushyant - because this is assuming there is no Kesar character and other than him and Gulaal, nobody did any search work anyway! - and all would have been the usual, as it was without her and JK's family would have risen to fore... Rewa would have been packed off sooner or later, and really, Yogesh could have still married her - Revji is a sensible man, even if Poonam tends to go berserk! It was really, beneath all her overt responsibilities - all about Kesar, and but for his character, she could have well left the house and things would have gone on!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Manoshono

Reserved till I get back home :)
Please do share your thoughts on the post that I have made regarding helping gulaal. Every opinion is important.


Mano - I must have missed the topic since I was pretty much not online for almost a day... will look it up now, and look forward to your input when you have time (:
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Posted: 14 years ago
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In another AU Gulaal would have died a widow and Kesar would never become a man with the biggest and kindest heart.

In another AU Gulaal would have never come to Talsagra or married anyone and Kesar would never have been born.

In another AU Gulaal would have come to Talsagra and married Vasant and Dhusyant would have killed Vasant and she would have died coz there is no Kesar.

In another AU there might not be a Gulaal and Vasant so Kesar would have become the sarpanch of Talsagra and never married anyone.




" I could come back a thousand times... and see her die a thousand ways. " Dr Alexander Hartdegen. Time Machine 2002.


There are a thousand and one Alternate Realities.


and also " Uber-Morlock: You built your time machine because of Emma's death. If she had lived, it would never have existed. (So how could you use your machine to go back in time and save her?) You are the inescapable result of your tragedy, just as I am the inescapable result of you... " Time Machine 2002.

nb: you can omit the sentence in the bracket while you read the quote to make more sense out of it.

Hope my mumbo-jumbo is understandable.


So therefore in this reality, that Kesar should be with Gulaal answers itself.
Edited by angel68 - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: angel68



" I could come back a thousand times... and see her die a thousand ways. " Dr Alexander Hartdegen. Time Machine 2002.


" Uber-Morlock: You built your time machine because of Emma's death. If she had lived, it would never have existed. (So how could you use your machine to go back in time and save her?) You are the inescapable result of your tragedy, just as I am the inescapable result of you... " Time Machine 2002.

nb: you can omit the sentence in the bracket while you read the quote to make more sense out of it.

Hope my mumbo-jumbo is understandable.


So therefore in this reality, that Kesar should be with Gulaal answers itself.


Lol!!! - your post reminded me of what this critique discussion we once had in class for Jane Austen's works. Someone raised objection saying that even if her books were fiction, how was it, that all the vital characters in her book always managed to misunderstand, or be absent in the exact point of the plot as they did? Why was the obvious not so obvious to the protagonists of the story until the very end - despite the glaring hints?

And a defender of Jane Austen's work replied, that if there were no misunderstandings and no misrepresentations, what would be left in a story to tell?! Because what lies between once upon a time... and happily ever after, is only the gore of getting from the former to the latter! 😆

So yes, although there are always so many ways a situation could have turned out to be, it turns out the one way that it does, because that is it!

The discussion was merely chipping in opinions about why we best thought this is it!

Thanks for your input 😊 - especially the quotes. Reminds of how long it has been since I last read a sci-fi classic!

@red and bold - one of my favorite quotes of all times! How well said was that!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: angel68

In another AU Gulaal would have died a widow and Kesar would never become a man with the biggest and kindest heart.

In another AU Gulaal would have never come to Talsagra or married anyone and Kesar would never have been born.

In another AU Gulaal would have come to Talsagra and married Vasant and Dhusyant would have killed Vasant and she would have died coz there is no Kesar.

In another AU there might not be a Gulaal and Vasant so Kesar would have become the sarpanch of Talsagra and never married anyone.




" I could come back a thousand times... and see her die a thousand ways. " Dr Alexander Hartdegen. Time Machine 2002.


There are a thousand and one Alternate Realities.


and also " Uber-Morlock: You built your time machine because of Emma's death. If she had lived, it would never have existed. (So how could you use your machine to go back in time and save her?) You are the inescapable result of your tragedy, just as I am the inescapable result of you... " Time Machine 2002.




So therefore in this reality, that Kesar should be with Gulaal answers itself.



I loved how you put this👏👏 Very interesting read! Loved the quotes especially.


@Jzee: Lovely topic as always :-)
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Good musings to keep weekend active.

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