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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: kalyani_shiva

Hi friends 😊.

After seeing the current Ramayana track, I could not resist myself from posting this topic.
I come from a Vaishnav background and a strict Vishnu devotee, and Ramayana has been an integral part of my life since childhood, have read all works of Ramayana that includes Valmiki Ramayana, Tulsidas Ramayana and hear Geet Ramayana everyday.
But what the CV's are showing is completely different to what I heard and read since my childhood.
The creative team have completely changed Ramayana for instance Lord Rama scared of killing a living being? Another instance when did Lord Shiva and Devi Parvati came on the birth of Lord Rama.I mean in which Purana or Vedas it is written. My mother says that this Ramayana has no meaning and there are showing no-nonsense things, juggling and meddling their imaginary thoughts and sprinkling some spices on it.
I know the research team might have done some research, but the thought that this wrong is not leaving my mind. The track which CV's are showing is according to me is meaningless.I think CV's are welcoming curses for themselves from all Vaishnavites, myself included.
Cv's made my hopes crashed😭 for Ramayana.I thought that they would show Ramayana very nicely as it is a part of every ones life.But what they are showing is drawing me away from watching the show.
Also there is another thought that is jumping in my mind and that this Ramayana is Mahadev-centered. I mean they are including Mahadev in every scene which is not needed. I would have loved if they had shown Lord Shiva as a narrator in the show and also explaining the importance of each 'ghatna.'
Which right now bring me to the question:- Should I believe?
A BIG NO.
I know that I was not a part when the original things, but I cannot disbelieve Valmiki Ramayana which I have read.
Any one agrees with me?
Do share you thought




This show is not showing Ramayan. There are show shivayan. This is all CV imagination. There will massive exodus of people once mahabharat comes on.
Edited by viper833 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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This is their take on Ramayan, I believe the writer said they are trying to do something new here. It is like we have no choice take it or leave it. 😆
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Posted: 12 years ago
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This show is not showing Ramayan. There are show shivayan. This is all CV imagination. There will massive exodus of people once mahabharat comes on.


To be honest, nobody shows Ramayan - the work that Valmiki wrote. Everybody shows corrupted versions of it, be it from Tulsidas, Adhyatma, Kamban, Krittivas and so on. The main thing about the Ramayan was that Rama took a completely human avatar and was totally in the dark about his own divinity. This was essential for him to be able to kill Ravan. Otherwise, Vishnu could have easily done it by simply taking a human form - akin to Krishna - and destroying Ravan. Except that the boon did not allow it.

But in every 'Ramayan' that they show, everybody knows who Rama is, address him as 'Prabhu', show him performing miracles and so on. But Rama never had the powers that Krishna, for instance, had. In fact, it was only after the death of Ravan that Brahma appeared b4 him and told him that he was Vishnu's avatar. But even after that event, Valmiki doesn't seem to narrate Rama performing any miracles. After he returned to Ayodhya, most of his time was spent listening to Agastya narrating the stories of Ravan, Vali and Hanuman, Sita's exile, Shatrughan's war against Lavanasura (here, Shatrughan's divinity was highlighted by Brahma when the devas were concerned about the weapon he'd use to kill Lavanasura), Rama narrating stories to his courtiers, and the Ashwamedha yagna & beyond.

In that sense, DkDM is closer in that it emphasizes that Rama is totally unmindful of his avatar. Of course, if they have Shiva make him mindful of it, the point will be lost. Part of the Maryada Purushottam theme was Rama, despite being human, following behavior standards that even the devas would be challenged to emulate.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: .Vrish.


To be honest, nobody shows Ramayan - the work that Valmiki wrote. Everybody shows corrupted versions of it, be it from Tulsidas, Adhyatma, Kamban, Krittivas and so on. The main thing about the Ramayan was that Rama took a completely human avatar and was totally in the dark about his own divinity. This was essential for him to be able to kill Ravan. Otherwise, Vishnu could have easily done it by simply taking a human form - akin to Krishna - and destroying Ravan. Except that the boon did not allow it.

But in every 'Ramayan' that they show, everybody knows who Rama is, address him as 'Prabhu', show him performing miracles and so on. But Rama never had the powers that Krishna, for instance, had. In fact, it was only after the death of Ravan that Brahma appeared b4 him and told him that he was Vishnu's avatar. But even after that event, Valmiki doesn't seem to narrate Rama performing any miracles. After he returned to Ayodhya, most of his time was spent listening to Agastya narrating the stories of Ravan, Vali and Hanuman, Sita's exile, Shatrughan's war against Lavanasura (here, Shatrughan's divinity was highlighted by Brahma when the devas were concerned about the weapon he'd use to kill Lavanasura), Rama narrating stories to his courtiers, and the Ashwamedha yagna & beyond.

In that sense, DkDM is closer in that it emphasizes that Rama is totally unmindful of his avatar. Of course, if they have Shiva make him mindful of it, the point will be lost. Part of the Maryada Purushottam theme was Rama, despite being human, following behavior standards that even the devas would be challenged to emulate.


Of course everyone likes the divine version I guess! Anyways, your points make sense!
BTW, do you have the Uttarakanda version online or in your home?

They spoilt Rama not knowing his divinity when they made all the rishis say Prabhu Sri Ram Ki jai! That chant spoilt everything... Now even if he doesn't know his reality, Rama will still wonder, "Why did these rishis say Prabhu Sri Ram? Am I so special?"... and so on...😆
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Surya

I have it at home. Valmikiramayan.net only has it uptil Yudhyakand. Any questions you had?

Yeah, the rishis spoilt it. But aside from that, there was also the point that Valmiki doesn't mention any miracles. There was no Lakshman rekha, and Ahilya was never turned into stone - she was paralysed, and Rama's touch unfroze her. That's a lot less supernatural than her becoming a rock and Rama's touch transforming her back.

They did show Ahilya becoming a rock earlier, which had angered Parvati, due to Rishi Gautama's cruelty and ingratitude towards his wife. Wonder if they'll show Rama free her, or have they forgotten it? I didn't watch the episode.
Edited by .Vrish. - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Vrish- Whose publication do you have? Gita Press?

And Ahalya being paralyzed is similar to becoming a statue- i.e like a rock. There's not much difference b/w the two versions.

FWIR, Ahalya just faded into oblivion, left untended for, in the ashram. Rama's arrival meant she was reinstated into the mainstream society.
Edited by varaali - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: varaali

Vrish- Whose publication do you have? Gita Press?


And Ahalya being paralyzed is similar to becoming a statue- i.e like a rock. There's not much difference b/w the two versions.

FWIR, Ahalya just faded into oblivion, left untended for, in the ashram. Rama's arrival meant she was reinstated into the mainstream society.


Yeah, Gita Press.

Well, the difference is the magical aspect to it. A person becoming paralysed or unparalysed is not a supernatural event - the former happens normally to people, and even the latter has been known to happen. But a person actually becoming a rock, or a stone statue, is something out of the comics - doesn't happen, since one would have to transform the chemical composition of a person in order to get there.

As a result, the versions that have her becoming a rock thereby show Rama as some kind of magician. Whereas in Valmiki, he touches her w/ his feet, and all the stiffness in her body is gone, and she can move about freely.

Also, after she was unfrozen, it was Rama & Lakshman who knelt at her feet, contrary to what they've shown in all the serials, where they show her falling at Rama's feet. And Ahalya didn't ascend to the heavens after that - Rishi Gautama returned and accepted her back as his own.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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yes agree..the ramayan in mahadev quite diffrent...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Does anyone know/recall which Ramayan versions have Ravan attending Sita's swayamvara? It's certainly not there in either Valmiki nor Tulsidas. In those, when Shurpanakha described Sita to Ravan, he became curious, and when he went there and saw Sita, that was what got him excited.

Had Ravan attended the swayamvar, that wouldn't have been a surprise - he'd have known how Sita looks.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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i do not know Vrish but it is not in Valmiki nor Tulsidas.
In some books it is referred as,in previous birth Sita was the daughter of Ravan, and that is why he was not able to even touch her when he kidnapped and kept her in 'Ashokvatika.'
Edited by kalyani_shiva - 12 years ago

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