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Posted: 12 years ago
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I don't know what is done as part of the PativratayaIs it washing husband's feet and putting water on head?😕Anyone who can explain?

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: .Vrish.

On the pativrata concept, we had touched upon it once in the Ramayan forum. In Hindu mythology, there were about 7 or so pativrata women - including Savitri, Sita, Srimati (wife of Rishi Kapila), Anusuya (wife of Rishi Atri), Vrinda, Sulochana (wife of Indrajit) and one more that I forget. The thing that was common to all these women, aside from their devotion to their husbands, are

  • All of them worshiped only their husbands and none other - not even the tridevs
  • All their husbands cherished them, were just as devoted to them, and were monogamous - did not take any other wives


@Member Vrish. thanks for posting these details,I never knew that there are two groups namely Pativratas and Panchakanyas😲Wow!!!

One doubt, you mentioned Pativratas donot worship even the Tridev but we know Vrinda who worshipped Vishnu🤔Was she another lady with the same name?Also Sita worshipped Shiva and Anasuya worshipped Brahma,Vishnu and Shiva😕

The meaning of Pativrata given by Srujaji seems to be accurate as it matched with the information given by you in the second point😊


Originally posted by: SRUJAconscience

Correct meaning of the term PatiVrata : Many misinterpret this term.

Pati means man who is loyal to his wife.Who endures or bears with his life partner.

Vrata means devotion,vow...

So now PatiVrata means being devoted to the person who is loyal to you/who endures or bears with you.Here dedication is not solely for a wife it applies for the husband also.

Edited by Viraaga - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Vrindia being a Asur spawn was the most religious person and devoted to Lord Narayan. As a general rule Lord Narayan was will not harm any of his devotee and family so due Vrinda devotion of Lord Narayan protected J. Lord Narayan was blocked from fighting J and killing him due to a promise to Goddess Lakshmi. Goddess Pavarati is sister of Lord Narayan so when J commited a sin in try to lusting and sinning try to capture Goddess Paravati he commited ultimate sin. Now Vrinda being Pativrata ( Not lusting for other man then ones husband or being loyal to meaning dharmic kept her moral. Al long as she was moral as here devotee Lord Narayan couldn't harm here Family meaning J. So as being God of Operations of the Universe he had to destory J. He found the only way to block his enery from protecting J was to destory Vrinda pativrata.


About Ravan's wife.

Raavan kidnapped Lord Ram wife and was lusting for her. Lord Ram ( Vishnu Avatar) and Sita(Godess Lakshmi Avatar) he had to protect his energy.Raavan had commmited sins and had many curses on him. Vedavati that mad him due for death. Mandoori pativrata didn't help as Ravaan and family were devotees of Lord Shiva execpt Vibshaan was devotee of all the tridevs. Ravaan was cursed his relatives, nandi and lord Ram ancestors.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Viraaga



@ Member Hermione8

Thank you so much for these enlightening posts👏

Now I understood the conclusion we make solely depends on the way we perceive the point.Nothing to blame on Vishnu.🥳I know he is pure and always correct,watching everything happily from his abode,it was his maya(I dont know how it is like)which tricked Vrinda.Maya punished her for supporting adharma with the power of her pativratha dharma.

And ofcourse distraction is distraction,be it only for a second.😊


@ Viraaga.. Thank you. I am glad that I could contribute my perspective on this matter and thanks for your appreciation 😊.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Vishnu Karm:- To understand vishnu is not a easy job. However a true devotee can find the answer related to vishnu's objection question. He is free from all rule. Bhagvat Gita says to break all the materialist rule and humans one and only motive should be get assimilate in the supreme lord which is himself.
Acc to puran when jalandhar disguise himself as shiv to destroy parvati chastity, vishnu came and alert parvati to beware of jalandhar motive. But parvati was hurt and want to punish jalandhar. Since vishnu is brother of parvati, it is his duty to punish the wrongdoer of his sister and those who come between him and his enemy also get punished. Vrinda is coming between vishnu and jalandhar so it is necessary to destroy her first.
Also Vishnu want Jalandhar to learn a lesson so that he can feel what he was done was wrong. He did the same as jalandhar had done. He disguise as jalandhar and sit with her in puja without saying a single word or saying a lie. However parvati recognise that the person is not her husband at right time but vrinda fail in recognizing her husband. But the result went worst when vrinda do suicide after knowing the truth. God Vishnu was so merciful that he was deathly mourning on his bhakt's death by keeping her ash on his head until all the devi and mahadev come to bless vrinda to be recognise as his wife. Also he silently accept the curse given by vrinda.
Vishnu is the true symbol of brother and dutiful person as he know the future that vrinda can curse him but he did what was right and fruitful for world.

Vrinda' pativrata:- Vrinda is a dutiful doctor, helpful to all without keep any difference between devta and daitya. She is the greatest worshiper of vishnu making her pure soul. She is the dutiful wife and remember of her husband safety while worshipping. She suggest jalandhar to free parvati that makes her righteous person. However she can't break promise to do not leave jalandhar until death. Even she do not chooses to kill herself for escaping the truth and pativrata dharm. It is very difficult to choose both what is universal true and the duty towards worlds and relationship. We the common person either choose true side leaving our relations hurt or chooses relations side diverting from truth or else do suicide to escape from both. However Vrinda chooses both. Since she can't help parvati in escaping from jaladhar maya, she try to convince jalandhar that after her puja he become immortal and he can free parvati without hurting her. She is the purest soul. Since while worshipping lord narayan she always remember jalandhar face then it become narayan duty to protect her husband.

How vrinda chastity is destroyed:- Acc to hindu dharm some yag or puja require only by husband and wife together. Since she did puja with lord Vishnu, Vishnu become her second husband. She lost her pativrata dharm.
Also in love true lover can feel his/her beloved presence even without seeing him/her. Since vrinda fail to do so and consider vishnu as serverse (ultimatum/ wholething) she lost her chastity.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Viraaga

@Member Vrish. thanks for posting these details,I never knew that there are two groups namely Pativratas and Panchakanyas😲Wow!!!


One doubt, you mentioned Pativratas donot worship even the Tridev but we know Vrinda who worshipped Vishnu🤔Was she another lady with the same name?Also Sita worshipped Shiva and Anasuya worshipped Brahma,Vishnu and Shiva😕

The meaning of Pativrata given by Srujaji seems to be accurate as it matched with the information given by you in the second point😊



Was Vrinda being a Narayan devotee there in the Shiva Purana, or did it come from elsewhere? I've also never heard about Sita worshipping Mahadev - the evidence strongly suggests that she did not. When she took her final vow that brought Bhoomi Devi to her, she stated in the conditions that she'd never have thought of any male except Rama. Also, where does Anusuya worshiping the tridevs come from?

Also, Mandodari was not in this pativrata group, but Sulochana was. Mandodari's constant reminder to Ravan about the greatness of Rama would disqualify her - women were not supposed to remind their husbands about the greatness of other men - Sulochana never did that w/ Meghnad. Also, Indrajit never looked at any other woman, while Ravan considered himself everybody's hubby 🤢

One thing that puzzled me though - pativrata women were never supposed to be widowed, but it did happen to Sulochana & Vrinda (unlike what's shown here in the show)
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I have already posted this in the WU of 28th May, but since this is abt Vrinda I am posting it here:

I wonder, what if Narayan had just appeared to Vrinda, and said, "This is wrong. (blah blah)." And then, "I, your Aaradhya, command you not to do such rash things in my pooja." THAT surely would have been better!

Because Vrinda is Narayan BHakt, she has to obey her Aaradhya. So Narayan also wouldn't have got cursed, and Vrinda's chastity also would have remained unbroken.
(Though in the original there is no pooja, etc. so the above scenario wouldn't have fit in.)

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Vrish,

Akhanda Saubhgyavati is never widowed.
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Originally posted by: Surya_krsnbhakt

I have already posted this in the WU of 28th May, but since this is abt Vrinda I am posting it here:


I wonder, what if Narayan had just appeared to Vrinda, and said, "This is wrong. (blah blah)." And then, "I, your Aaradhya, command you not to do such rash things in my pooja." THAT surely would have been better!

Because Vrinda is Narayan BHakt, she has to obey her Aaradhya. So Narayan also wouldn't have got cursed, and Vrinda's chastity also would have remained unbroken.
(Though in the original there is no pooja, etc. so the above scenario wouldn't have fit in.)



Not pushing any religion just present the importanace of Vrinda in Vashinviate Tradition.

Remember that curse is also really important to Lord Narayan / Goddess Lakshmi devotees. The curse allows till this for shaligrams to be made till today and important.

Tulsi Devi ( Vrinda Punar Birth) here is a example the importance for Vashinvaites.



Satyabhama prided herself about the love Krishna had for her and her grasp over his heart. On one contrived occasion, Rishi Narada arrived in Dwarka and in the course of conversation hinted to Satyabhama that the love that Krishna exhibits towards her is not all that real and in fact it is Rukmini(the first wife of Krishna) who has real control over his heart. Unable to bear this, Satyabhama challenged Narada to prove it. Narada, with his way with words, tricked her into accepting a Vrata (ritual) where she has to give Krishna away in charity to Narada and reclaim him by giving the weight of Krishna in wealth. Narada lured her into accepting this vrata by telling her that Krishna's love to her will increase many folds if she succeeds in performing this Tulabharam. He also instigated her ego by hinting that her wealth may not be sufficient to equal the weight of Krishna. With Satyabhama's ego duly raised, she told Narada that she can mobilize so much wealth that it is a child's play for her to outweigh Krishna. Narada warned her that if she is not able to do this, Krishna will become his slave to be done with as he pleases.

The scene was soon set for the vrata. Satyabhama gave Krishna away in charity (dana) in spite of the other wives' pleadings. Krishna, always the mischievous cowherd, meekly submitted to this drama. After donating Krishna to Narada, Satyabhama arranged for a big scale to be put up and sends with all assurance for her huge treasure of gold and jewellery. All that she has is soon put on the scale, but it didn't budge. Narada started taunting her and threatening her that if she can't put enough gold or diamonds, he will be forced to auction Krishna as a slave to someone else. Satyabhama, in frantic panic, swallowed her pride and begged all the other wives to give their jewels. They agreed out of love for Krishna but alas, it is of no use.

Krishna remained a mute witness to all this drama and rubbed salt into the open wounds of Satyabhama's ego that he has now to become a slave to some cowherd and will have to suffer the separation from his dear wife. Narada suggested to Satyabhama that Rukmini may be able to get her out of the predicament. She finally swallowed her pride and appealed to the devoted first wife of Krishna. Rukmini came and with a prayer to her husband put a single leaf of the sacred Tulasi on the scale (tula). Lo and behold, the scales became all at once so heavy that even after removing all the jewels, the scales were weighed down on the side of the Tulasi leaf.

While there are different versions in different texts as to why the weighing was arranged, the story of the Tulsi leaf placed by Rukmini being worth more in weight than that of Satyabhama's wealth is a common ending. This story is oft repeated to enunciate the significance of Tulsi and how a humble offering to God is greater than any material wealth..

Today all or maybe some vaishavites when they get iniated in the religion they were Tulsi Mala or there necks. Tusli symbolizes the Devotee Deovotion to the Lord Narayan.

Kind of Like Nandi, and Sage Dadichi for Lord Shiva



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