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Posted: 12 years ago

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@ Member Hermione8

Thank you so much for these enlightening posts👏

Now I understood the conclusion we make solely depends on the way we perceive the point.Nothing to blame on Vishnu.🥳I know he is pure and always correct,watching everything happily from his abode,it was his maya(I dont know how it is like)which tricked Vrinda.Maya punished her for supporting adharma with the power of her pativratha dharma.

And ofcourse distraction is distraction,be it only for a second.😊

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Posted: 12 years ago

#32

Originally posted by: hermione8

Dear, I am no great scholar... I am also in the process of finding answers... In sage Dadhichi's words, 'Disha bhatakna hi disha ko paanaa hai'... Still, I will try to answer your post...😊

@ Srujaji, thank you for liking my post...😊.

Now as to your queries:

1) Did Vrinda fulfill her duties according to her Dharma?

Yes, she did, according to her principles. During that yuga, for a married woman, her husband was to be revered like God and she did everything to obey and please him, thus doing her duty, but she also had unflinching devotion to her God Vishnu, whom she worshipped, in spite of Jalandhar's disapproval and prayed for his welfare.

We do not know

a) whether she deliberately did some puja to make him immortal or

b) whether her pativrata power itself was sufficient to protect him(due to some boon).

If she indeed did some such puja, then we can say that she went overboard in her duty, i.e., crossed her limits and tried to assume the powers of the Tridevs, who alone had the power to grant immortality to anyone. She should have done her duties with out attachments or the desire for fruits (In this case, desire for her husband's immortality) and let Vishnu grant whatever He thought she and Jalandhar deserved. So this necessitated Vishnu to intervene and break that puja ritual in the middle and nullify its intended result. We can see a similar incident in Ramayan where Indrajit's Nikumbhila yagna had to be interrupted by Lakshmana so that it could not be completed as it would have made Indrajit invincible and it would have been impossible to kill Ravana then.

Even if Vrinda had transgressed her limits as in case a), since she resorted to Vishnu in utter devotion and dedicated all her deeds to Him, He decided to forgive her and direct her to the correct path, thus destroying not only her sin, but also her ego.

2) Does the life of a person in particular 'a man' solely depend on the chastity of his wife irrespective of the karma done by him?I mean what is the need of breaking Vrinda's chastity for killing evil Jalandhar?

As to this question, the answer must be 'No', unless he has obtained such a boon, that his life can be protected by his wife's chastity. Also he could have got such a wife only due to the merits of his Karma. That grace would have been in his destiny, otherwise he could not have got such a chaste, powerful wife. If all chaste wives had such power, then Yamraj would not have been able to take Satyavan's soul with him albeit for some time or Ravana could not have died as he had the most pativrata wife, Mandodari, one of the 5 revered panchakanyas. The second part of your question has already been answered above.

3)Does Vrinda qualify for this status coz she was very much attached to her husband?

As to this question, yes, absolutely. Vrinda is very much qualified for this status.

In Bhagawad Gita (IX- 30) sloka, 'api cet sudurAcAro...', Krishna says, 'Even if a man of the most sinful conduct worships Me with undeviating devotion, he must be reckoned as righteous, for he has rightly resolved.

She was a pativrata and she only prayed for her husband's life, thinking it to be a part of her duty, so she was pardoned and was taken to the higher levels, for she had not committed a very great sin(this is applicable in both cases a) & b)).

Actually I liked what they showed in DKDM, it seemed most logical... that she sat with Vishnu (disguised as Jalandhar) and took that final, imposing vow empowered by her chastity and completed her puja, unknowingly declaring and accepting Vishnu as her love and 'Sarvasva' lord, thus paving way for her vivah with Vishnu eternally(thus getting the 'phala' of her puja after completing it successfully with Vishnu) and etched her name standing for chastity and purity for eternity. This is where Vishnu's Maya and infinite mercy and benediction came into play and he channeled her pure Bhakti and Shakti for the right cause, i.e., for the welfare of the universe and we are still reaping the benefits of the pure Tulsi plant.

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.Reshama.

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Posted: 12 years ago

#33

Guys sorry for ma poor english..forgive me in advance..

Jallandher was an notorious/ dangerous/ muderer -100% evil.. asur and a womanizer/rapist.

Am little disapionted that mr didnt portrays jallu as a black character but as a grey character.

In todays episode theyre was a lot of emotional espressions of an asur who wasnt stable at all.

Yes it was sad to watch the end of Vrinda ..and Jallu mourning for her dead because she commited atma hatya..

There bond was really weird..their are lots of things going through ma mind but am not

gonna write it here. Honestly i cant hold it for ma self but..sorry to say .. their track reminded me of shiv sati..and i personally didnt like it at all..why are they gonna copy that..coudlnt the writers be more creative..or create something new.

I cant deny that mrs performance today is really outstanding mindblowing awesome.. his facial expressions, lines and body language is just ..sorry i have not words for it..it was just perfect!!

Everytime ...i see his improvment in acting..i have only respect for him..Keep doing the good work.

I didnt made it to hurt anybody sentiments but this is just ma pov.

I really wonder what ma dkdmd forum waasis pov is..

No bashing-fighting and insulting in my thread please ..

Thank you...

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Sindhu_us

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Posted: 12 years ago

#34

Bashing for what dear for speaking your mind. U should ahve the right to say anything you want.
Mohit has come a long way in his acting from what we used to see him in the start. He is a good actor now. His emotions and expressions come out very well. Sad to see Vrinda die and Jalandhar mourn today.
But I don't think they tried to recreate Sati phase at all. It is just a scene where his wife dies and he mourns but since Sati was part of this show we always tend to draw a reference.

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Posted my comments.They are on Page 6😊

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loveumishal

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Posted: 12 years ago

#36

Just watched the episode...

When I heard of Jalandhar's track, only one thing entered my mind- In DKDM the depiction of Vishnu taking an action against Vrinda shouldnt be potrayed in a manner which takes the light from the msg - establishing Dharma in times of Adharma...

And I am happy to say they were able to show it to some of the extend...Though I wish much more emphasize should've been given to the reason , the msg..

I liked the half turned position of Vrinda when Vishnu spoke to her ~ Utterly crestfallen due to the act of her Aradhya whom she considered as the symbol of Purity ; yet knowing where she failed...Willingly protecting someone who is the source of evil...

An utmost devotee to the core, yet she failed because she wanted to give protection to her husband whom she very well knows is NOT following Dharma...I believe - Vrinda's story gives us a very strong msg of staying with Dharma under any circumstances...The choice of where to stay - As an individual staying with Dharma or as a Patni staying with her sarvaswa even knowing he is NOT on right path..A very very thin line...But still the line is there...

Vrinda's curse is justified ...I believe as Lords - they are all above curses...((This in entirety itself is illusionary ))That's why they are Gods... But the result of Karma and the result of an utmost devotion should also be depicted in clear way ...That's y Vishnu in his Avatar shows ..the result of Vrinda's curse and as Shaligram - the result of Vrinda's devotion...

Overall - a wonderful storyline in DKDM...

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Originally posted by: loveumishal
Just watched the episode...

When I heard of Jalandhar's track, only one thing entered my mind- In DKDM the depiction of Vishnu taking an action against Vrinda shouldnt be potrayed in a manner which takes the light from the msg - establishing Dharma in times of Adharma...

And I am happy to say they were able to show it to some of the extend...Though I wish much more emphasize should've been given to the reason , the msg..

I liked the half turned position of Vrinda when Vishnu spoke to her ~ Utterly crestfallen due to the act of her Aradhya whom she considered as the symbol of Purity ; yet knowing where she failed...Willingly protecting someone who is the source of evil...

An utmost devotee to the core, yet she failed because she wanted to give protection to her husband whom she very well knows is NOT following Dharma...I believe - Vrinda's story gives us a very strong msg of staying with Dharma under any circumstances...The choice of where to stay - As an individual staying with Dharma or as a Patni staying with her sarvaswa even knowing he is NOT on right path..A very very thin line...But still the line is there...

Vrinda's curse is justified ...I believe as Lords - they are all above curses...((This in entirety itself is illusionary ))That's why they are Gods... But the result of Karma and the result of an utmost devotion should also be depicted in clear way ...That's y Vishnu in his Avatar shows ..the result of Vrinda's curse and as Shaligram - the result of Vrinda's devotion...

Overall - a wonderful storyline in DKDM...

I agree but they made two mistakes, they didn't show the Shaligram Curse
and also the need to clear the the reason Lord Vishnu had done what he dad done to Lord Shiva.
He did not need to do that.

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Posted: 12 years ago

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I don't mean to hurt anyone's sentiments. I am writing purely on the basis of what I saw in the show. Pardon my lack of knowledge please.
Here goes:

- For everything else in the show till now, Vishnu and Brahma consulted Mahadev. Why didn't they consult Him before taking such a drastic step?

- Does Pativrata dharm get tarnished so easily? Was it thought to be this way? I mean Vrinda did not know who the person was. On her part she was only performing puja with her husband. Also, she only put "tilak" on his forehead. She did not even touch him otherwise or live with him. Then how come her Pativrata dharm broke?
Please enlighten me on beliefs regarding this.

- Why did Vrinda commit suicide? Was this all so serious that she felt so ashamed so to give up her life? (please enlighten me on the beliefs about this in those days)

- Sorry to raise this point, but hasn't Parvati been kidnapped by a paraya purush too? What happens to her pativrata dharm? Is there anything which she will also need to do to restore her chastity? Or is she above all this and her pativrata dharm remains unaffected?

- If Mahadev could restore life of Yamraj, then couldn't Vishnu restore life of his devotee Vrinda? Or was there no need to do this since her existence is not necessary for sansar?

- Tridev are so powerful. Did Vishnu really have no other option except to do this? No other way to tackle Jalandhar? And they could have stopped her puja in any other way. Was it necessary to breach her chastity and betray her like this?
- Does Vrinda's fate have any other backstory to it? Anything related to her previous birth? (Like Draupadi's fate had a backstory to it in Mahabharat)

- Sorry if I sound naive or foolish for asking this BUT when Kartikeya goes overboard in his rage and kills Yamraj, disturbing "srishti ke niyam" he only gets a hug in return from his father and his father immediately makes up for his mistake by restoring Yamraj's life as per this serial. He is not even mildly rebuked for what he did. Is it fair?
(Whatever Kartikeye did with Yamraj and Mrityu devi seems so odd and hard to believe as shown in the serial)

Jalandhar, Indra etc. should pay for what they do. Vrinda should pay for supporting her husband. Kartikeya can kill anyone? For that matter any devta can do anything to anyone? Is it not ego and arbitrary use of powers?

- I have question about Shukracharya also. He had problem with Jalandhar after he kidnapped Parvati. He didn't have any problem with Vrinda! Why was he not there to warn or caution Vrinda of possible fate that awaited her? Or protect/aid her when Vishnu decided to deceive her?
(I think he has been the real "gunhegaar" of poor Vrinda. He first put idea of marrying her in Jalandhar's mind for selfish reason of providing him protection with her pavitrata and pativrata, in this show he almost seemed to have emotionally blackmailed Vrinda into confessing her love for Jalandhar, he kept suggesting her how she had to do everything to protect her husband, but later he cut off from her also after detaching himself from Jalandhar? Not fair!)

*I do not have much knowledge about religion or mythology in detail. I formed opinions and questions based on what was shown in the serial. I apologise in advance if I have hurt anyone's sentiments. And please excuse me if I sound foolish or ignorant in this post*

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Originally posted by: viper833

I agree but they made two mistakes, they didn't show the Shaligram Curse
and also the need to clear the the reason Lord Vishnu had done what he dad done to Lord Shiva.
He did not need to do that.

All the Tridevas, Tridevis are responsible for maintaining System, Dharma etc.in the World. Interpreting Vishnuji's act as him doing this for Shivji is absolutely wrong. If he had not done so J would have ruled the World making him invincible. Then the entire scenario would have been very different. Tridevas worship would have been a History in short, Adharma would have ruled.

Today we would have been watching Devo ke Dev Jalandhar not Mahadev & even Vishnuji would have lost his importance. There is a need to view everything with an open mind & come out of this anti Shivji or anti Vishnuji thinking.

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Originally posted by: hermione8

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