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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: Fiery.Fawkes


Talk about yourself, cuz no one on this thread has NOT acknowledged the "problem". And nor has anyone denied it. So you may continue behaving like an Ostrich than calling others out.




Yes instead of defending the documentary and a foreigner who doesn't give two hoots about the country, that should indeed be the question and concern.

And the technical answer to your question is Supreme Court. The case is still continuing there after high court. Appealing to high court and supreme court is every citizen's right even if our blood keeps boiling.



Well here US means whole India including the authorities , the politicians , the law makers and law holders including those scum lawyers , the supreme court and all those who actually have some power to do something about it .

This thread or yours or mine view only matter only on this forum so you can continue acknowledging the truth but keep opposing those who are highlighting a problem , that actually very much exist , be it for their selfish motive or be it to tarnish the image of india or a conspiracy or western propaganda against india whatever its called.
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: atominis

I find the foreigner insinuation so hypocritical!

We jump in joy when same BBC makes documentaries on success of IITs and the Super 30. Quote same BBC if it makes programs on Bollywood and stardom of Rajesh Khanna, Amitabh Bachchan and SRK.

But yelp if they highlight an issue!

This is same muzzling that Congress has done whenever a foreigner in collaboration with Indians tries to make something on Bhopal Gas tragedy or 1984 Sikh genocide.

Lap up when they praise but cry wolf when they take up a problem!


Anyway our politicians and criminals have done enough to show worse of mentality than the documentary. Sharad Yadav barking and members of Parliament laughing, adding comments along was worse enough. So were new rape cases. And the worst is that in Ahmedabad rape case, the juvenile had to suffer because her alcoholic dad had a fight with that watchman who then raped her as revenge, and shame is that man is still trying to gobble money to squander on alcohol (in dry state Gujarat) instead of letting it be used for daughter's treatment. His wife has now approached media and authorities in this regard so that husband doesn't misuse funding of treatment.

Indian guys also made UK's Daughter and have been trending it since last 2 days on Twitter. The UK media was sporting enough to put it up and report on it. Their government didn't yelp on why it was made nor they banned it. Unlike so called image conscious desi sarkar.

I only know that this issue has become a cat fight and shameless people are calling rapes fake or bad PR instead of tackling mindset. Any time a rape is reported now, trolls online yelp why media carried that report!

Pathetic!

Next time don't even gloat at firangi praise either if foreign things sting so much.


@bold, i was really taken aback by watching this in news ...these are our so-called leaders - shameful and pathetic 🤢
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: 9tanki

Will UK govt give permission to Indian reporter to come and take interview of their criminal in their prison ? Will the people of UK support a foreign entity coming into their country and then present a view in foreign country ? Have you seen any foreign filmmaker showing the brighter side of India ? What they have been doing is picking up the weak spot of India and then show that part to the whole world. In US people still consider India as a land of snake charmers and poor people. This is what they have been doing.

Its true, every country has problem and they know how to tackle them but based on the interview of the filmmaker her motive is clear to create controversy and then make monetary gain from it.




Yes, I have seen documentaries by foreigners showing the brighter side of India and they've made me proud.
So for you the motive of the maker is more important whereas it isn't so for me. That's it.
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: oblivious.

Yes, I have seen documentaries by foreigners showing the brighter side of India and they've made me proud.

So for you the motive of the maker is more important whereas it isn't so for me. That's it.

Can you post any link here ? I would like to see one.
The motive behind filmmaker was money. If she was really concerned about social issue and she wanted to give a gift to India, then she wouldn't have commercialize. When money is involved, greed automatically comes in and whether you agree or disagree she could have waited and not preponed the screening of the movie.

She got great publicity, if you now search "Documentaries India shinning bbc" here is the list that pops up.



and now people have started generalizing the whole country.
"India, the colour of shame "
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: Angel-likeDevil

I don't see why anyone would want to interview a rapist, know his "mindset" . Him being alive is already too much, on top of it, one "interviews" him? He does not deserve to live in the first place!

Does one have to know why an inhumane commits something like a rape? Isn't his very act reflecting on his so-called psyche? What else did the famous yellow journalist expect?

And the clamour by media, people upon banning the worthless interview that was to be aired on International Women's Day.

People have become so strange. Instead, a programme on self-defence, plight of different women in different strata, or stories on successful women would've been enriching to watch. Why doesn't any news channel go into slums, or ST areas to interview women? Of everyone in the country, a filthy criminal is interviewed.

An ogle from a man is enough to make one want to hide themself, and to watch an interview of a rapist? And people have 'right to know' a rapist's mind? This is a sick interest/curiosity. Rapes are frighteningly happening, hearing such incidents makes one horrified, and to see the criminal and to know his vews is simply too much. Don't understand the idea behind taking an interview, or the reason for so much outcry over banning. What purpose will the interview serve? Or what will the people do after knowing his "opinions" ?

Glad Indian govt banned telecast of this ugly "documentary".

Newspapers have been wasting so much space on this silly issue since a few days. Could've printed something better to read.

Exactly giving a voice to rapist or terrorist is like giving them platform to speak up their mind and what happened with giving voice to terrorist, they are such a shameless now they record everything and post in on a website or give to media so that they can give them free promotion of terror. Some people like dark masala and they will support it no matter how cruel they are by calling its reality of life.

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Posted: 10 years ago

Of faith, India's Daughter and the chauvinistic male in Malaysia


Kuala Lumpur: I watched India's Daughter last Tuesday, the documentary produced by BBC which wasbannedin India.

This documentary film directed by Leslee Udwin is based on the 2012 Delhi gang rape and murder of of 23-year old Jyothi Singh, who was a physiotherapy student.

In this 60-minute long film, Jyothi's parents, close friends, member of NGOs, activists, lawyers and one of her rapists retell the unfortunate, inhumane circumstance that took place on 16 December 2012.

Jyothi's plight had inflicted a widespread coverage, not just in India but around the globe. It also triggered public rage, protests and criticism of the Indian government for not providing ample and the needful protection for women.

The whole time, watching the documentary, there was never a second that my heart failed to break. My heart broke for Jyothi and her parents and the women in India.

It got me thinking that I am actually fortunate to be living in Malaysia, that I am NOT India's daughter.

After watching the film, I think to myself: I am grateful to be surrounded by Malaysian men who have good amount of respect towards the women of the nation, hence giving me that firm sense of security.

But my gratitude and that sense of safety did not last long. Those feelings fade slowly after reading quite a number of postings throughout this week on the social media ie. postings on women, from men who disregard women as an equal gender (or at least as a gender who deserves the equal respect) in this country.

(No, I am not talking about that particular 'mualaf'preacher man who stated in his newspaper column that women's bodies are arousing and that they make men want to rape them - but something along that line)

I got disgusted with what was playing in the minds of these men that raved them to make those sexist statements. I was even more disgusted that there are women whoayed' these notions.

Here's an example of a post from a friend of mine, who is educated and living in the city, who is a father to a one-year old girl. Believe me, you see a lot of these in the virtual world.

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He reposted this quote, assuming from another girl. And he stated his utter agreement with this insight.

Let me translate it:

"Let's talk about respect...
We (women) put on our sexy outfit, we exposed our aurat (modesty) and hence we disrespect ourselves...
When a man comes to harass you, don't slap him or cuss him, slap your own face, cuss your own self because you initiated this disrespect upon you...
Please note that when candies are left uncovered, disgusting flies are bound to land on you"


For the love of God. Is this how our men perceive us women? Like we are some kind of candy for everybody?

If that's the case, in this context, then, what makes you (men)? I am guessing that you'd be the disgusting fly?

Is this really how some covered' women perceived other women with sexy outfit? And in which phase of life do women begin to do this to their own kind?

Did God not created men in this world to (among others) protect us women?

If we are the candy, then, aren't you (men) supposed to be our wrapper? To protect us from dust, dirt and even disgusting flies?

And if we (women) are really the weaker gender, then, should you not be the stronger one and save us from plight and distress?

See; Jyothi was decently dressed when she was raped by 6 men, comprised of a juvenile, a father to a newborn son, a fitness trainer, a pair of brothers and a bus care taker.

She was on her way home and in a bus with her male friend from watchingLife of Pi'when she was confronted by five men, the other was driving. Jhyoti defended herself, she fought hard. And for that, she was hit by a blunt object countless times, so hard that her internal organs ruptured - her intestines was pulled out. Subsequently, the rapists dumped her and her male friend by the roadside.

Her fight for life did not end there. In the film, the doctor said her injuries was unprecedented and that she had two days to live. Her internal organs were so badly injured that the doctor did not know where to start and how to fix her.

But Jyothi fought hard for her life. And two weeks later, with her mother and father by her side, she was laid to rest.

Questions: What if Jyothi were to be your mother or your sister or even your daughter? Would you go outright and say they deserve it?

Would you be like the rapist or even the lawyers, who are all chauvinists in this film - diplomatically insinuated that she deserves it' just because a girl in India is not supposed to be out at night walking the streets of Delhi?

Please tell ourselves that there should never be an excuse for rape. Never.

Please educate our children that no woman deserves to be raped, no matter what their outfits are. Never.

Please believe that when a woman saidno, she really means it. That it is not some form of flirtation or and open invitation to sex. Never. Ever.

Here is an analogy of women from the defence lawyer for the rapists in the film:

"If you put that flower in a gutter it is spoilt. If you put it in the temple, it is worshiped"

It is just so appalling that it is 2015 and yet, women are still perceived as just an object - candies, flower, punching bag etc.

What's even appalling is that men think this way not just in India, but here in Malaysia.

So, dear men, really? If you can't teach yourself to control your desire with some decency of respect, being hugely aroused even by the slightest and sheer sight of our skin, then please (I beg of you) don't go around teaching us woman how to respect ourselves.

By doing so, you are no better than those rapists.

In fact why tell us to cover up when you can be all man about it and put on a chastity belt?

Please, don't preach when you failed to teach, when you failed to lead.

Please educate yourself and embed it in your heads and heart that rape and sexual harassment is never right and it will never be. Never.

So really, my dear male friends and brothers, why go around making sense and being all defensive over something that is WRONG with your offensive posting and embarrassing bravados - when we all can be civilised, exuding healthy mentality and body and together work towards a better, respectful living in harmony?

Despite all those questions and frustrations in my head, woman like me have faith that we can always count on you (men) to watch our backs and the future of our daughters, unlike those men in that video.

We have faith that Malaysian men are not as shallow and stupid and inhumane like the men in India's Daughter.

So please don't kill our faith and our trust on you.

Stop spreading words that demoralised us.

And to the women who proudly backed up the opposite sex's embarrassing and sexist bravado, really, what happen to our sisterhood? What happen to our pledge to forever stand by and stand up for our kind, protecting the sisters, daughters and mothers of the world?

If we can't rely and depend on each other as much as we could and are supposed to, maybe, in no time we the women and daughters of Malaysia can be the exact same reflection of the daughters of India.

Until that day comes, my heart will continue to have faith in our men.


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Posted: 10 years ago
i watched the documentary yesterday and it actually made me so upset and just imaging the thought of having your intestines being pulled out of your body and being wrapped in a cloth to be thrown out by a 17 year old rapist made me feel soo scared of how brutal people can be!
It's disgusting how the defence lawyers were speaking if i was interviewing them i would have definately slapped them its a disgrace their attitude towards women stink!
Is it a crime to watch a movie with your friend til 8:30pm? Who were they to teach a lesson? Were they jyoti's dad, brothers, uncles? Raping a young innocent girl who is a total stranger to them is that decent? Is that what men should be doing? Shouldnt they be taught a lesson... Death is too little for them since they have no remorse at all!

What made me even more angrier was the fact that the rapists family were defending them even when the rapists have accepted their crime? That showed the upbringing the rapists had!! Stupid people with their blind trust or infact denial
The rapists had no remorse its very upsetting that jyoti suffered alot for just being out til 8:30 with a friend
Disgusting mentality these people have! Makes me cringe, i wish these all actually go to hell, the whole "im a man, im better than women" sucks they all are cowards none of them are true men. a true man respects women and our individualitu but they are cowards born with a bunch of garbage filled brains ruining innocents life and i sincerly pray that the juvenile being released in december dies or commits suicide he deserves it. i still dont understand why he didnt get the death sentence whereas the rest did he was equally included 3 years is not a punishment for that juvenile its injustice who cares if he is 17 whatever he did he did it with freewill so he deserves equal punishment since he pulled out the intestines!!!!!!

I just pray that jyoti gets the justice she deserves and that too Soon!
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: bramcote46


Actually whoever hears about these type of cases share the same emotion so where do these monsters come from 😕

Good question. I am sure the accused are also aware of the pain they caused regardless of the justification they may be parroting. So what led them to do it !?


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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: atominis

I find the foreigner insinuation so hypocritical!

We jump in joy when same BBC makes documentaries on success of IITs and the Super 30. Quote same BBC if it makes programs on Bollywood and stardom of Rajesh Khanna, Amitabh Bachchan and SRK.

But yelp if they highlight an issue!

This is same muzzling that Congress has done whenever a foreigner in collaboration with Indians tries to make something on Bhopal Gas tragedy or 1984 Sikh genocide.

Lap up when they praise but cry wolf when they take up a problem!

You should be a little more practical. Don't know what kind of idealistic views you hold about this world and in the matter of image of nations, but truth is, image and perception play a big role in international relations and that's why it is important to control how your image is projected internationally. Every country, every community, every person wants to become famous. Who do you think would want to become infamous instead of famous?

Originally posted by: atominis

Anyway our politicians and criminals have done enough to show worse of mentality than the documentary. Sharad Yadav barking and members of Parliament laughing, adding comments along was worse enough. So were new rape cases. And the worst is that in Ahmedabad rape case, the juvenile had to suffer because her alcoholic dad had a fight with that watchman who then raped her as revenge, and shame is that man is still trying to gobble money to squander on alcohol (in dry state Gujarat) instead of letting it be used for daughter's treatment. His wife has now approached media and authorities in this regard so that husband doesn't misuse funding of treatment.

You should realise that one criminal represents a sample size of just 1. Generalising a whole country based on such few criminals is irrational. To tackle criminals what is most needed is law and order. In India the manpower for enforcing law and order is not at the level of more affluent countries. But lack of policemen is not a societal problem.

As for Sharad Yadav's comments, I know there have been politicians who had made statements in poor taste, but in this case what is so deplorable in what he said? He was talking about something that is anyways discussed a lot. That in our country most of the people are dark skinned, our gods are dark skinned and yet we hanker after white skin. What wrong did he say? Even many women have said the same thing.

Originally posted by: atominis

Indian guys also made UK's Daughter and have been trending it since last 2 days on Twitter. The UK media was sporting enough to put it up and report on it. Their government didn't yelp on why it was made nor they banned it. Unlike so called image conscious desi sarkar.

How would they have banned it, their media didn't pay heed to Indian govt's request and even pushed ahead the airing of the documentary, now do they have the moral ground to ban something that discusses the same occurences in their country?

Originally posted by: atominis

I only know that this issue has become a cat fight and shameless people are calling rapes fake or bad PR instead of tackling mindset. Any time a rape is reported now, trolls online yelp why media carried that report!

Pathetic!

Next time don't even gloat at firangi praise either if foreign things sting so much.

Show me who called rapes to be fake? Bad PR is said in a different context, because of the nit picking that the international media has done post the Nirbhaya incident. People have tried to change mindset as well. But what are people like you doing? Blame the whole male community and even the whole country? Is that how you plan to change mindset, by accusing and pointing fingers at every one? Rest assured, no one is going to listen to you if you try to accuse them, especially when that accusation is unfair. As soon as someone is accused unfairly their first reaction will be to become defensive, so all your advice, well or ill intentioned, is actually meeting a stone wall and rebounding back. You make people antagonistic to your cause through such accusations, you will lose the main ally - the masses, which will make them apathetic to your cause. And that is going to benefit only one segment - the criminals, the rapists.
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Posted: 10 years ago

Freida Pinto delivers powerful speech at 'India's Daughter' premiere

Pinto said she is proud that her parents gave her an education, which empowered her to have and use her voice. Two days before she met her dear friend's six month old baby girl. When she looked into her big bright eyes, she saw this pure light, absolutely alive, very aware, this blank slate full of potential and oblivious to skin color, status and gender. But in more places than one can imagine in this world, a new born child has been already been categorized. That child has either been welcomed with joy and festivities, or that child has been welcomed with barely concealed indifference. That child has also been damned, undervalued and in many cases that child has been killed before she is born. Because being a female in today's world is at best an exercise in subtle injustice and at worst a living hell, Pinto said.

In the subtle category, Pinto spoke about a television script she had received the previous week for her consideration. The show is meant to be a politically incorrect comedy. The role was described as a girl with sweet Indian accent. It was hardly ground breaking, but she kept an open mind. Her character appeared on page three which undoubtedly was better than appearing on the last and final act just to scream "help me." Nothing could prepare her for what she was about to read. Two male friends, X and Y dial to a call center and a sweet female voice answered. Picking up the male character X's arousal by that sweet female voice, male character Y explained, "amazing, one second with a stranger's voice on a phone and you're practically gang raping her on a bus! I assume she's an Indian." It wasn't funny. They pay these writers the big bucks and let them host big awards ceremonies.

Pinto emphasized that this isn't just an Indian issue. Women have been mistreated and viewed as inferior across the world for thousands of years. Read her full speech below:

Tonight you heard an educated Indian male lawyer claim that in our culture there's no place for a woman clearly he's not alone in his sentiments ... Tonight is not a place for a full cultural history of woman hating. Suffice it to say that it has always been so since the earliest preserved records and I have a little bit of proof here. From the book of Leviticus which said, "menstruating women are unclean and whoever touches them will be defiled." To Aristotle who referred to a female as an incomplete male or as it were a deformity. From Confucius, which always has me a little confused and I don't understand why he said this, who felt that a hundred women weren't worth one testicle. To a certain public figure who stated that marital rape or spousal rape is not a crime and that was just last year.

Freida spoke about when she first heard about the crime in India:

So today in 2015 despite the vast improvements in the lives and rights of women across the world in the last century, there still seems to exist this very complex network of ideological and cultural norms that still plague our society and that make global misogyny, in my opinion, a great scourge and most pressing issue of our age ... But really our pride is misplaced when there is one gender on this planet that is yet to be emancipated. When we watch a films like "India's Daughter" when we imagine Jyoti's terrorizing, terrifying, heart breaking and harrowing suffering, we think of those bright little faces of the girl children we know and that pain becomes almost unbearable. There is this universal visceral reaction, this physical clamping down of one's own body, which make logical discourse so very hard. I remember being in India when this happened and I remember my reaction, which is still my reaction to date. I remember my female body parts just recoiling and cringing with horror, with disgust and absolute rage and I know that this reaction is not just limited to my sex, because I have had male friends and male family members who felt the absolute same thing in their own male bodies. The mind just reels at such suffering and there is no other way to react but emotionally. But make no mistake, this is not an incident and this is not an experience that is just limited or restricted to the third world. First world men and women readily understand that millions of women are subjugated globally. And it's all well and good for us to sit in this room and be mortified by the state of women in India, Pakistan and countries of Africa. But if would take further introspection before they acknowledge that the same dynamics exist within their own culture and I'm not just talking about sexual crimes, which is a grim reality even over here, even in England and Australia.

She spoke about women having financial equality:

But I'm talking about something that you could possibly place in the more modern world. Something that is more advanced or civilized ... such as, the refusal to pay a woman the same as a man for the same job and there are jobs, but those jobs come in a very strange and tough climate. When a woman from the first world sits in a fishbowl in the male boardroom it doesn't feel like it's her own self-respect that is being eroded when she stays silent or even laughs amidst misogynistic remarks. It feels as if she's letting her less fortunate sisters across the world drown. And yet to speak out against it is to taint herself as an "uncool girl" or "the girl who can't roll with it" or "the feminist." I cannot wait for that day when this generation of women and men finally realizes that claiming to be a feminist is simply asserting that you share the same spiritual and economic value as your male counterparts - as each other. So I'll ask you tonight to stand with me in a call to arms to be the new greatest generation, the generation that makes misogyny and violence against women begin to recede into the past and you may ask how and that is a very important question. I know that I'm not alone in this restlessness and urgency in order to see this change happen. This is all really overwhelming even for me with all this information so many ideas, so many amazing people, so many detractors and so many people who share the same vision as well and it is very easy to get discouraged and enraged when you face dead ends such as bans. So to begin, we must take hope, hope not just from those women we saw marching on the streets after Jyoti's rape, we're very inspired by them.

Men are crucial to this movement:

But I say let's take hope from the men, did you see those faces of those thousands of enlightened men in the streets in India? Well you can see that here tonight, you have met them at work, you have met them at play, church. I have them in my life and you have them in yours. I am my father's very proud daughter and these men are the torchbearers. These are the men we call to fight to stand up for what is honorable and to speak out vociferously against sexism in the workplace and against violence in the home. We equally call upon men who do not believe in equal rights. This is your fight too, your fight to defeat and transcend your own mind sets. Women don't ask to be ahead of you or behind you, we just want to be by your side as equals. I want to take this opportunity to call upon the men of the future, teenage boys, to not succumb to the pressure to shame girls at parties and on the Internet by posting demeaning videos especially on social media. With you men as our allies, we women have hope. Secondly, I call upon policymakers and world leaders male and female to imagine bigger to redefine social and economic policy to reflect this conversation. We need to focus on girls' education globally, so that they can participate in the economy and raise the next generation of enlightened males. We need our leaders of democracies and I stress on the word democracy, democracies like India, United States of America, to not be afraid to face the dark reality of sexual violence. The shame is not in admitting the existence of such violence, the shame is in the crime and not speaking out. In this way, if not us, at least our grandchildren will grow up in a world that's free of gender discrimination. And to clerics and religious leaders I urge you to consider the magnitude of your influence and your public statements, you have the power to grant women honor or disrespect within all your faiths, please choose honor.

Women must support each other as well:

And finally and most importantly I call upon women to raise each other up, to make each other's welfare a priority and to never shame a woman for the choices she makes. Don't judge her for her marital status, do not judge her for who she sleeps with and please do not judge her if she simply goes out to see a movie with a friend. Refuse to internalize and reject the centuries of woman hating as hard as that might be, with all of us doing these things and educating our children to do the same, we may finally have that chance to stamp on that opportunity to shift the paradigm that led despicable events of this film. And never ever give up hope that your actions and words however big or small can be part of this shift. So before we return to our lives this evening I ask you ... to close your eyes for just a moment with me ... and I ask you to imagine, to be in the presence of this bright light, this light will come from any source or any direction, it could filter in from anywhere, it could be the light that we lit at the start of this event, for some it could be a stoplight, it could be a flickering candle in a dark room or maybe the big bright sun. Let it bathe you. This light is Jyoti, Jyoti literally means light, my Indian sister who was gang raped and killed on a bus in Delhi and all she is saying is "please please don't let anyone put me out again."

http://www.examiner.com/article/freida-pinto-delivers-powerful-speech-at-india-s-daughter-premiere



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