I don't know if he actually believes in what he is saying, so can't speak for him. But one has to consider that he is fighting a case and fighting to win it, so he will go to any length to get a favourable outcome for his client.
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I don't know if he actually believes in what he is saying, so can't speak for him. But one has to consider that he is fighting a case and fighting to win it, so he will go to any length to get a favourable outcome for his client.
Originally posted by: K.Universe.
There are two issues here. One is the damage his crass remarks would cause to the psyche of the gullible. Another is the damage it would do to the image of the country.
Originally posted by: K.Universe.
contrite criminal might give a little closure to the victim's survivors. That is not what happened here. He made it worse.
Originally posted by: K.Universe.
In your stance, the impact that you talk about could be negative or positive. We can't shoulder the risk of the negative. The kind of mass introspection that you are talking about is almost quixotic. Are you sure your audience is ready for that?
Originally posted by: return_to_hades
I don't expect a rapist to be repentant or apologetic. When he justifies his crimes based on excuses like "women should not be out at night" and "she should not be with non family men" , I want it to impact people. I want all the people who give such advice or express such views to feel sick, repulsed and shocked that their views align with those of rapists. I want them to reflect if holding such views encourages rape.
Originally posted by: return_to_hades
What about the gullible when politicians and other influential people make similar crass remarks?
The ones who may not have read / heard those statements might know now thanks to a compiled documentary. A compilation connects the dots, organizes the thought processes and gives the viewer time to contemplate. That contemplation can go in two different directions. I was saying that we can't take the risk of it going in a negative way.
Don't you think the damage is done by the rape statistics?
Stats are impersonal. Putting a face to the stats makes it personal driving home the message of the one in front of the camera. Sans a clear message, with only the rapist's words and the lawyers words to hang on to, the unsophisticated are left to make a decision on their own. That can be dangerous.
I think some victims found closure that the dirty little secret of attitudes towards women is exposed.
May be a completely neutral audience who have no empathy. I would think that anything short of a prostration by the criminal would only aggravate the heartburn of the victim's near and dear.
The most lasting and powerful lessons are when we question and correct ourselves.
True but the ones capable of questioning themselves don't need a crime of this magnitude to do that. More importantly, we cannot take the risk of a few repugnant remarks to cause unknown damage, just so there exists a chance that some people might ruminate on what's been said.
The issue is not the documentary or its banning or not banning. The real issue is that there are too many people who hold similar views to the rapists and their defense lawyers. That gives a sense of justification to these criminals. It is alarming that they feel absolutely no remorse nor any fear after such a brutal murder.
I think it should be pretty shocking to have some thought process parallels with a criminal. One may not condone rape or crime, but if some views are aligned it should give pause for alarm. A person may say certain statements as "safety advice" and not as a "belief". The problem is the rapist mindset uses such statements as justification.
Certain statements that define how a woman should think, act, dress, behave are extremely dangerous in society. They are part of "rape culture" and should be avoided. I understand many people make such statements out of good intentions, which is why awareness of how we innocently propagate rape culture is important.
Advice on how to react to rape should be taken in context. Some people do advice not to fight out of concern for life and safety. Although, there are many benefits to fighting.
- Certain rapists are deterred by screaming and fighting and prefer "easier prey"
- Clawing at rapists, biting or pulling their hair can actually help collect valuable DNA evidence
- Fighting also leads to use of restraint and bruising which is evidence to rape
- Defense lawyers often use lack of resistance as an excuse to claim that the sex was consensual (this is a flimsy defense because some victims have a freeze' response and some victims actually can orgasm during rape. Even if it doesn't hold legal water, it often extremely flusters victims on stand)
Not fighting makes sense only if the rapist is extremely violent and it is safer to offer less resistance; or in circumstances where you feel they might kill to dispose if you resist too much. It is a very very tricky situation, but fighting usually is a more reasonable bet.
In the end fight or flight response is very natural and hardwired. There is no right or wrong way to react to rape trauma. Whether you freeze, give in or fight, the fault is always with the rapist not the victim.
INDIA'S DAUGHTER, a TV documentary based on the rape and brutal murder of a 23-year-old in Delhi in 2012, sent shockwaves around the world when given its first airing last week.
Sikh educational charity Everythings 13 came together with Gurdwara Sri Guru Singh Sabha Southall, the busiest Sikh Gurdwara in Europe, to put on a public viewing of the documentary, followed by guest speakers and an open Q&A session.
Speakers included political journalist and the author of India Dishonoured, Sunny Hundal, and female rights campaigner Rani Bilkhu, founder of the charity Jeena International, alongside Sharanjit Kaur and Jagraj Singh of Everythings 13.
Around 200 people, including men and women of all ages, attended the viewing and openly discussed the implications of the crime, its impact on Sikhs in Britain and highlighted the taboo of the subject.
It was the first time a Sikh Gurdwara has opened its doors to showcase such a sensitive subject and the frank discussions were considered a big success.
Journalist Sunny Hundal said: "It was nice to see a big audience turn up to watch India's Daughter. Violence against women is very much a Sikh problem so it is good to see the issues discussed publicly in a Gurdwara".
With over 1.4 million Indians in Britain, the cultural issues that stigmatise women and are taboo subjects within the community have crossed boundaries and become apparent in the UK too.
Jeena International, a UK-based female empowerment group, has found that women from Britain regularly travel to India for gender selective abortion, while anti-domestic violence group Southall Black Sisters says British-Asian women are twice as likely as white females to commit suicide in the UK.
Rani Bilkhu, Founder of Jeena International, says: "Tackling these issues needs to become a community agenda, so credit to Everythings 13 and the Southall Gurdwara committee for hosting such a night "
Shown on the BBC and banned by the Indian authorities, the programme was one of the hottest stories, trending highest on twitter for more than two days in Britain and India.
The documentary caused controversy by showing the callous attitude towards women held by one of the six who raped Ms Singh, and how many men in India, including members of the Indian judicial system, held this attitude.
"These issues are not just in India, they are on our own doorstep here in the UK too. We cannot hide away from dealing with them," said Sharanjit Kaur, of Everythings 13.
Originally posted by: .Verity.
Southall Gurdwara opens its doors for public screening of India's Daughter
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