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Posted: 13 years ago
#21

Originally posted by: TheUltimate

Man, I am sorry, but you really sound like a simpleton. It is obviously not as simple as you think, is it?

Let's go back to era before September 11, 2001. What did USA do to get attacked on its own soil by a few (3-4) psychos? Why did they hijacked and flew those planes into WTC? You know that thousands of innocent lives were gone that day? I am not even going to care about economical damage. If those guys who wanted to fight with the USA because they had some kind of problem, why did they not go military action route and instead chose the coward's route? Pathetic does not even begin to describe those waste of organic materials.

Regarding Iraq, though Saddam was not a psycho like Ahmedinejad, he was a dictator and eccentric. There was no clear communication about WMD from Iraq. You can claim that the war was not needed with the advantage of hindsight, which is always 20/20.

It all boils down to this. Most of the Islamic countries hate the west (USA the most). They will attack the USA no matter USA leaves them alone or not. To protect US citizens and its allies, if US is taking any proactive actions, what is wrong?

Do they need to wait till the second 9/11 happens? Like how India keeps getting attacked (Mumbai, Ahmedabad, Banglore, Jaipur, New Delhi and a little place called Kashmir)? And just not do anything like a coward? Sorry, the first world countries are the first world countries because they have always been proactive and not reactive.







well its not as harsh as you think either...
firstly not all arabs or islamic countries hate the us.. i know a lot of arabs who adore the west, secondly even if we rule out the option that the whole 9/11 fiasco was an inside job to get international permission to attack afghanistan, you cannot blame the islamic or arab countries for an act commited by maybe a cult like alqaeda or something else of the sort...
what has the us done to protect its citizens ?? by destroying other countries for its economical benefit howexactly is the us protecting its own citizens?? to be proactive at the cost of humanity does not make us a superhero .. comingto the topic of discussion - i completely agree with what
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: NinaArief


well its not as harsh as you think either...
firstly not all arabs or islamic countries hate the us.. i know a lot of arabs who adore the west, secondly even if we rule out the option that the whole 9/11 fiasco was an inside job to get international permission to attack afghanistan, you cannot blame the islamic or arab countries for an act commited by maybe a cult like alqaeda or something else of the sort...
what has the us done to protect its citizens ?? by destroying other countries for its economical benefit howexactly is the us protecting its own citizens?? to be proactive at the cost of humanity does not make us a superhero .. comingto the topic of discussion - i completely agree with what
Prometeus has said...



Seriously? Did you just call 9/11 a fiasco? And do you subscribe to the idea that it was inside job? Let me guess, then.. do you believe Obama is not a natural born citizen of the US?? Sorry, but that is the most absurd thing I have ever seen since Michael Moore.

No, US does not need international permission to attack Afghanistan or any other "stan". Sorry but Al Qaeda was not a looney organization. It was supported by and harbored by the government - or maybe they were the government of Afghanistan. Dismantling them, as you can see, takes forever because there are new people ready to give up their lives in the name of religion. Some cowards ran away from Afghanistan and started breeding (tried anyway) in Iraq. Their leader was hiding in caves and finally in Pakistan.

Sorry, if you feel the other countries are getting destroyed but that is called collateral damage. If a person living in your house comes and beats up a person in my house and if you are incapable (or unwilling) of controlling a person in your house, I will take care of it.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: NinaArief

well its not as harsh as you think either...
firstly not all arabs or islamic countries hate the us.. i know a lot of arabs who adore the west, secondly even if we rule out the option that the whole 9/11 fiasco was an inside job to get international permission to attack afghanistan, you cannot blame the islamic or arab countries for an act commited by maybe a cult like alqaeda or something else of the sort...
what has the us done to protect its citizens ?? by destroying other countries for its economical benefit howexactly is the us protecting its own citizens?? to be proactive at the cost of humanity does not make us a superhero .. comingto the topic of discussion - i completely agree with what
Prometeus has said...




u r kidding right?🤢...3000 people were killed that day and u say it was an inside job?...what do u have to say about 26/11..mumbai, India...was that an inside job too?
How many serious attacks have happened in the US after 9/11...Zero...how many have happened in India...after 26/11 ...several...this is what happens when u don't protect ur own citizens and try to be Ms goody two shoes🤢
US killed Osama although he was not in their hands and they had to hunt him down...what has happened to Qasab ...who was caught in action...still being treated royally in India...feeding on biryani🤢...the first duty of any government is to protect its citizens...everything else comes later...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: TheUltimate

Ahmedinejad (or whatever his name is) is a crazy guy who wants to wipe Israel off the map of the earth. Israel and US should be very concerned.

The problem is not nuclear weapons. The problem is that the control of those weapons is in a person's hands who hates the west.

International relations are very complex.

lol . plz try to watch other news channel other then FOX NEWS. any idea what isreal did and doing right now? and what us did nad is doing? no . half of the world is in darkness that US is the most ethical country- "police officer of the world" reality is something else if only pple watch the news not read the comics.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: blue-ice

u r kidding right?🤢...3000 people were killed that day and u say it was an inside job?...what do u have to say about 26/11..mumbai, India...was that an inside job too?

How many serious attacks have happened in the US after 9/11...Zero...how many have happened in India...after 26/11 ...several...this is what happens when u don't protect ur own citizens and try to be Ms goody two shoes🤢
US killed Osama although he was not in their hands and they had to hunt him down...what has happened to Qasab ...who was caught in action...still being treated royally in India...feeding on biryani🤢...the first duty of any government is to protect its citizens...everything else comes later...

agree with you , you know there is documery of how 9/11 happened, there hypthesis that the plan did crash into the building...though still no clear reson.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: TheUltimate



Other than the fact that Ahmedinejad refuses to recognize Israel as a state and wants to wipe it off the map and he has told multiple times that US deserved September 11 attacks... a quick Google search reveals some good quotes. (source - telegraph):

On the terror attacks of Sept 11 - March 2010

"The September 11 incident was a big fabrication as a pretext for the campaign against terrorism and a prelude for staging an invasion against Afghanistan."

On Jews - Sept 2007

"I'm not anti-Jew. Jews are respected by everyone, like all human beings, and I respect them very much."

On the Holocaust - Sept 2009

"They (the Western powers) launched the myth of the Holocaust. They lied, they put on a show and then they support the Jews."

On homosexuals - Sept 2007

"In Iran we don't have homosexuals like in your country... In Iran we do not have this phenomenon. I don't know who's told you that we have this."

On George W Bush - June 2008

"This wicked man desires to harm the Iranian nation."

On Osama bin Laden - May 2010

"I heard that Osama bin Laden is in Washington DC...Yes, I did. He's there. Because he was a previous partner of Mr Bush. They were colleagues in fact in the old days. You know that. They were in the oil business together. They worked together. Mr bin Laden never cooperated with Iran but he cooperated with Mr Bush."

You are right. This guy is not crazy because he is beyond repair. He should be put down.

As for your other points.. well, if you call Israel a "cancer", there is no point in discussing that. You are way far off from the truth but you are committed to your thought.

As for US attacking Hiroshima and Nagasaki, well, first of all, US was not interested in joining WW2. They were pulled into the war when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. Nuclear action was unfortunate.. but necessary to end the WW2.

As for "who" is US to tell anybody anything? Well, in simplest terms, historically, US has been the biggest money giver to these countries. They are dependent on US.

India is nuclear power but historically India has never shown intentions of wiping any country off the map of the world. India plays like a good player in a team or lives like a good neighbor if that makes sense. You cannot have a psycho neighbor - much less with a gun.

ETA - Thank you for this topic. It is so much refreshing to see a good political topic popping up every once in a while along with bunch of those let's guess who is gay. I have got this vibe that.. umm... someone is gay. Not that those topics are not fun. Just saying.

once again bias...
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Posted: 13 years ago
#27
Whatever may happen, surely this is not going to be world war 3, because no one can afford it. even if US needs to export its weapons, divert the attention of public grom the failing economy and failure of barac obama administartion in election year, still even it cannot afford war. Most of the american citizens are against war. They are tired of the long and worthless war in Iraq which lead to the unnecessary loss of so many american soldiers and was such a drainage of their money.
Israel alone can carry out covert operations but waging full blown war is out of question. No one can support them. the EU has enough trouble of its own to start slapping sanctions and act big boss to the world. The strongest country in the EU is now Germany. It has had enough of war from the two world wars. And it most definitely will not go in a war when its just stabilised its own economy and is still dealing with the eurozone crisis. Iran knows its fully well and half the stuff about nuclear war and nukes it spits out is just plain baiting, because they know it fully well that they are not going be penalised by some war. There are six sides of any cube. Arab worlds want Iran down and that is jumping up and down with the otherwise hated israel and US. Reason: Iran is shiaite and they are all sunnis. Israel lives in permanent paranoia, with good reasons. Since its inception, arab worlds have vowed to destroy it, reclaim jerusalem . Pre revolution Iran was the first country to recognise Israel, post revolution iran too joined the band and declared Israel to blow up. Israel claims iran funds the covert terrorist operation of the hezbollah in Israel. Israel has been alive in the middle of a completely hostile neighbourhood by its sheer military might and proactive action. They will hunt anyone down who dares to attack them. But some of it might be unethical as well. they do not shy away from going into another country and killing their targets , flouting all sorts of rules. But it survives because of tht. US has a large Jewish population which holds considerable power, but that doesnt say US tries to weaken Israel by going behind its back. INfact US shared information about israle with saudi arabia ,whichISrael shared with them in the past. So no one and nothing is a doodh ki dhula.

Where does India stand in it? it took till 1991 to recognise Israel as a state for India and NDA govt in establishing full blown diplomatic relationship is ISrael. India benefits largely from israle,it is strategic partner with Israel , and military partner. Israle helps India immensely. Israel votes for India in UN.

But India has thousands of years of cultural relation with Iran. Even if we overloki history, Iran provides India with cheap oil . Thats really huge. Iran supported India when pakistan tried cut off the oil supply through afganisthan. Iran is business friend with India. India cannot afford to loose Iran. However iran never supports India on kashmir or other M related issues.
Whatever big brothers are saying about Iran to India, India cannot afford to follow it. If it becomes completely dependant on arab world for oil, oil price will soar in India, leading to inflation and burden in our already burdened economy. Also it will lead to the arab worlds holding India to some sort of hostage and we all know their pro pakistan mentality.[ Not to mentionall those mysterious aids to paksitan which does nothing to their economy except making some people very rich and the 26/11 s in India)

Bottom line India cannot be a stooge to any country any more, it has to think for itself and decide which way to proceed and look after its own interest first. No one cares about our Viswabandhu approach. China is ruthless and it is feared and fear is might now. Also I wish India would take a cue from Israel when it comes to protecting its citizens.

However ideally there are a lot of things India has the power to do and can do and in ideal case would have done. But our country is run by politicans. Politicians are run by their own vote bank politics. This iran oil stand comes because of the desperate situation f economy and oil in India. if not, then who knows what would have happened. After all we are the world's only country where minority rules by being minority.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Hope a WW111 can be avoided.
Isreal is all ready to pound on Iran, they are hungry for more blood.
Iran should tread carefully.
20 February 2012 Last updated at 14:12 GMT

UN inspectors arrive in Tehran

Chief IAEA inspector Herman Nackaerts talks to reporters at Vienna airport on 20 February 2012 Chief IAEA inspector Herman Nackaerts said he hoped for "some concrete results" from the trip

UN nuclear inspectors have arrived in Tehran for the second time in a month to discuss Iran's nuclear programme.

Chief inspector Herman Nackaerts said his team's "highest priority" was to clarify the "possible military dimensions" of the nuclear programme.

But he cautioned that progress "may take a while".

Iran insists it is enriching uranium to use for power generation, but Western nations believe the programme is geared towards making weapons.

Tensions have risen over speculation that Israel may carry out a military strike on Iran's nuclear facilities.

US national security adviser Tom Donilon arrived in Israel at the weekend for talks with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and other senior officials.

But the head of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Martin Dempsey, warned on Sunday that it was still unclear whether Iran was at a stage to assemble a nuclear bomb.

"On that basis, I think it would be premature to exclusively decide that the time for a military option was upon us," Gen Dempsey said.

'New developments'

Last week Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad took part in an elaborate ceremony to unveil new developments in his country's nuclear programme.

Tehran said it had used domestically-made nuclear fuel in a reactor for the first time, as well as developing faster, more efficient uranium enrichment centrifuges.

State TV showed the president inspecting the fuel rods as they were loaded into a reactor.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (R) during a tour of Tehran's research reactor (February 15, 2012) Iranian media showed President Ahmadinejad (at right) at a ceremony to unveil "new developments" in Tehran's nuclear programme

The IAEA inspectors described their last visit, in January, as positive, and said Iran was "committed" to "resolving all outstanding issues".

Mr Nackaerts said on Sunday that he hoped to have a "couple of good and constructive days in Tehran".

"Importantly we hope for some concrete results from the trip. The highest priority remains of course the possible military dimensions of Iran's nuclear programme, but we want to tackle all outstanding issues," he said.

"This is of course a very complex issue that may take a while. But we hope it can be constructive".

The inspectors' evaluation of their visits may form part of the next written report on Iran's nuclear programme, expected later in February.

But last November, the IAEA said it had information suggesting Iran had carried out tests "relevant to the development of a nuclear explosive device".

That information led to a decision by the US and the European Union to tighten sanctions against Iran, including measures targeting the country's lucrative oil industry.

Iran said on Sunday it had halted oil sales to British and French companies ahead of an EU oil embargo set to begin on 1 July. Analysts say the gesture of retaliation is largely symbolic.

On Monday, the head of Iran's national oil company said the ban might be extended to other EU members that continued "hostile acts" against Iran.

Ahmad Qalehbani said exports to Spain, Greece, Italy, Portugal, Germany and the Netherlands could be stopped, semi-official Mehr news agency reported

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Posted: 13 years ago
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love ahmednajdinn he is great leader... love him lot.. Atleast he i better than so called super powers who have destroyed peace all over the world..
I wish our leaders also follow Him because he is so simple , living life of an common man and last but not the least he is not puppet of USA...
I wish someone also take action on britual killing of Palestine peoples..
May peace spread all around the world... Love for all hate for none
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: farri.muslimah

love ahmednajdinn he is great leader... love him lot.. Atleast he i better than so called super powers who have destroyed peace all over the world..

I wish our leaders also follow Him because he is so simple , living life of an common man and last but not the least he is not puppet of USA...
I wish someone also take action on britual killing of Palestine peoples..
May peace spread all around the world... Love for all hate for none



Yes the "so called super powers" have destroyed peace all over the world by flying airplanes into the skyscrapers.

Dude, there is a time and place to troll.

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