World War-3 On the way!! ::Iran Vs... - Page 2

Originally posted by: Prometeus

We all need to be Joe Wilson right now.

Erm .. u mean Ambassador Wilson right?

Originally posted by: Arwen.

Erm .. u mean Ambassador Wilson right?

Again, Israel cannot enter to peaceful treaty so easily. It has to deal with a psycho neighbor who is determined to wipe Israel off the map of the world. Israel has not said that it would wipe Iran off.

CIA's "crime" list is purely an opinion. No proofs, sorry. Having said that, CIA is an intelligence agency... just like KGB or Mosad or ISI or IB. As you may know the purpose of this agencies is to gather, analyze and thwart any threats against their own country. Every developed nation has an intelligence agency - nothing wrong with that.

Just because one has a problem with US foreign policies does not mean toss aside common sense and facts.

- Anti-Israel is one thing, having a rabid agenda to the point of declaring the holocaust a conspiracy is another thing.

- Ahmadinejad is no democratic leader. He is a semi-dictatorial nut job. Anyone who closely followed Iran when he was reelected would be aware of the protests and controversies over his reelection. Iran must be watched as long as he is in power.

- USA never claimed Iran has nukes. Iran themselves are claiming that they have nukes against Israel. Ironically, USA is calling their boasts and claims a bluff.

- It is one thing to have a nuclear weapons program as a defense program, it is another thing to develop nukes solely with malicious intent to attack/destroy a nation.

- USA did not try to tell India who set the bombs, Israel did. We are allies, but not conjoined twins.

- Thailand confirmed that their bombs were Iranians targeting Israelites.

- Every country has intelligence operatives across the world. An operatives/activity map for most nations intelligence would span globally.

- CIA conspiracy theories are not credible sources on the CIA. The CIA had nothing to do with JFK or MLK assassinations. The CIA did not cover up Watergate for Nixon, Watergate was a cover up initiated by the Executive Office of the President. There are other more credible sources for CIA goofups and protocol violations etc.

- IMHO Joe Wilson is a douche bag who has emotional outbursts without fact checking. [Yes there was incorrect data in Obama's speech but Joe Wilson's interjection was just attention seeking melodrama. Many of his own party members chided his behavior. There are other better politicians and activists who counter Obamacare]

Ultimately every nation acts in their own self interest and has a duty to protect their citizens. Since Iran threatens the United States, it is but obvious that USA will be on the defensive and try to gather allies in its favor. However, USA is not forcing or demanding that people align with itself and/or Israel.

India and many nations have cordial ties with Iran. Many depend on Iran for oil and don't want to burn that bridge. In that sense it is completely fair for India and others to remain neutral or continue building ties with Iran. It is completely up to other nations how much weight they want to give to Ahmadinejad's eccentricities and rash ways. They ought to do whats in their best interest.

Many US allies maybe threats to India, and many threats to US maybe India's allies. That's foreign affairs. No nation can be held as completely wrong for serving their interest ' unless of course they engage in gross human rights violations and war crimes.

Wow hell must have frozen! I actually agree with "return_to_hades"!!

*Thud*

Truer words have never spoken before..

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Joe Wilson is a douche bag who has emotional outbursts without fact checking. [Yes there was incorrect data in Obama's speech but Joe Wilson's interjection was just attention seeking melodrama. Many of his own party members chided his behavior. There are other better politicians and activists who counter Obamacare]

Joe Wilson does not know decorum-101 of the state of the union speech.

Originally posted by: Prometeus

In September 2009, Wilson received international attention when he interrupted a speech by U.S. President Barack Obama to a joint session of Congress by shouting "You lie!"^[2][3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Wilson_(U.S._politician)

ya he did recieve attention for being an idiot of the nth order...he recieved attention and so did those who fight by throwing shoes and chairs in the Indian parliament during a session or those who watch po*n...Wilson didn't know how to behave when his President was delivering the State of the Union speech with the whole world watching...he apologised for that and then withdrew his apology after some nut cases patted his back for disrespecting the President during the most important speech of the year...and ya why not we all should be Wilsons😕

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Anyone who closely followed Iran when he was reelected would be aware of the protests and controversies over his reelection.

Reelection? what reelection?...It was all a show put up for the world to see...there was not going to be any election🤢 He is an unpopular leader...people protested not only in Iran but in several other countries including USA...If I remember correctly the Iranian Americans held huge rallies in several places.

Originally posted by: blue-ice

ya he did recieve attention for being an idiot of the nth order...he recieved attention and so did those who fight by throwing shoes and chairs in the Indian parliament during a session or those who watch po*n...Wilson didn't know how to behave when his President was delivering the State of the Union speech with the whole world watching...he apologised for that and then withdrew his apology after some nut cases patted his back for disrespecting the President during the most important speech of the year...and ya why not we all should be Wilsons😕

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Just because one has a problem with US foreign policies does not mean toss aside common sense and facts.

- Anti-Israel is one thing, having a rabid agenda to the point of declaring the holocaust a conspiracy is another thing.

- Ahmadinejad is no democratic leader. He is a semi-dictatorial nut job. Anyone who closely followed Iran when he was reelected would be aware of the protests and controversies over his reelection. Iran must be watched as long as he is in power.

Semi-dictatorial...how?? in presidential election he got 62.63 percent of the vote and in a democratic country protest and strikes happen its natural...!!! But the news channels shows different story...its part of western medias hidden political agenda to destroy Iran!

- USA never claimed Iran has nukes. Iran themselves are claiming that they have nukes against Israel. Ironically, USA is calling their boasts and claims a bluff.

Iran never claimed to use nuclear program for developing weapons. Now they see that Iran has stopped exporting oil to European countries they say that it's just a hype.

- It is one thing to have a nuclear weapons program as a defense program, it is another thing to develop nukes solely with malicious intent to attack/destroy a nation.

See the double stand...USA can have nuclear wepons but other cant make or develop...If any other country trying to become nuclear power then they disturbed...and making different stories and instability... to destroy to that country wow!!

Hope u know the BS about weapon of mass destruction in IRAQ...

- USA did not try to tell India who set the bombs, Israel did. We are allies, but not conjoined twins.

- Thailand confirmed that their bombs were Iranians targeting Israelites. poppet

- Every country has intelligence operatives across the world. An operatives/activity map for most nations intelligence would span globally.

- CIA conspiracy theories are not credible sources on the CIA. The CIA had nothing to do with JFK or MLK assassinations. The CIA did not cover up Watergate for Nixon, Watergate was a cover up initiated by the Executive Office of the President. There are other more credible sources for CIA goofups and protocol violations etc.

Since 1942, the CIA and the Mafia have worked together in numerous clandestine operations.

4- JFK refused to allow the CIA and American troops to attack Cuba thereby creating the infamous Bay of Pigs fiasco in 1961. Following that incident, General Charles P. Cabell, Deputy Director of the CIA, went around Washington calling President Kennedy a traitor. The CIA solicited the services of the Mafia to kill Fidel Castro.⁽⁵⁾more

Plz check http://jfkmurdersolved.com/jfkwhy.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/6169006.stm

- IMHO Joe Wilson is a douche bag who has emotional outbursts without fact checking. [Yes there was incorrect data in Obama's speech but Joe Wilson's interjection was just attention seeking melodrama. Many of his own party members chided his behavior. There are other better politicians and activists who counter Obamacare]

Ultimately every nation acts in their own self interest and has a duty to protect their citizens. Since Iran threatens the United States, it is but obvious that USA will be on the defensive and try to gather allies in its favor. However, USA is not forcing or demanding that people align with itself and/or Israel. -- & Viceversa

India and many nations have cordial ties with Iran. Many depend on Iran for oil --not only india US also want oil...and don't want to burn that bridge. In that sense it is completely fair for India and others to remain neutral or continue building ties with Iran. It is completely up to other nations how much weight they want to give to Ahmadinejad's eccentricities and rash ways. They ought to do whats in their best interest.

We all know that b4 Iraq war..they kept crying so loud to the world media and UN assembly saying Iraq had WMD all the time. But there was nothing as such found there after the war !! Actually the objective was another covert. They were after the Saddam regime and control of the OIL !!. Do people know why General Colin Powell (Sec. of State) resigned after Iraq war ? He was ashamed of the false propoganda he presented on behalf of US govt at the UN Assembly. Now the same story continues its Iran making nukes. They are after the regime change and the OIL !!. And why not, afterall such wars favour their economy hugely. It not only pulls their economy off the recession damps but then they control the World Oil and finally dominate the world political and trade proceedings. Great bullying America. If only the world had more brains, fairness and courage.

Many US allies maybe threats to India, and many threats to US maybe India's allies. That's foreign affairs. No nation can be held as completely wrong for serving their interest ' unless of course they engage in gross human rights violations and war crimes.

Man, I am sorry, but you really sound like a simpleton. It is obviously not as simple as you think, is it?

Let's go back to era before September 11, 2001. What did USA do to get attacked on its own soil by a few (3-4) psychos? Why did they hijacked and flew those planes into WTC? You know that thousands of innocent lives were gone that day? I am not even going to care about economical damage. If those guys who wanted to fight with the USA because they had some kind of problem, why did they not go military action route and instead chose the coward's route? Pathetic does not even begin to describe those waste of organic materials.

Regarding Iraq, though Saddam was not a psycho like Ahmedinejad, he was a dictator and eccentric. There was no clear communication about WMD from Iraq. You can claim that the war was not needed with the advantage of hindsight, which is always 20/20.

It all boils down to this. Most of the Islamic countries hate the west (USA the most). They will attack the USA no matter USA leaves them alone or not. To protect US citizens and its allies, if US is taking any proactive actions, what is wrong?

Do they need to wait till the second 9/11 happens? Like how India keeps getting attacked (Mumbai, Ahmedabad, Banglore, Jaipur, New Delhi and a little place called Kashmir)? And just not do anything like a coward? Sorry, the first world countries are the first world countries because they have always been proactive and not reactive.