Wow.. so much to catch up on!
Originally posted by: Knowcrow69
Westerns (US, France, Germany etc.) either sold WMD to Iraq or setup facilities that were capable of producing WMD in Iraq. Iraq attacked Iran. backed by US (Regan). who was looking for revenge against Iran for overthrowing the US friendly brutal and corrupt regime of the shah in which over a million Iraqis died. After Saddam, an Iran friendly Shi'ite run government was installed which is hated by the Sunnis' so expect more jihadist persecution of Christians and other religious minorities, more Sunni-Shi'ite jihad instead of peace.
So, what is your point? Iran threw away a much balance-minded, wise and pro-liberty Shah for anti-US, fundamentalist, maniac Ayatollah Khomenie? Yes. Did the new government torture the minorities? Yes.
Did they make US diplomats hostages? So much for diplomatic immunity.
So, yes, US stopped their financial supply. Stopped buying anything from Iran other than... well, maybe dates, nuts and carpets? This fumed them as their money dried up. Sorry, baby.
Originally posted by: Knowcrow69
According to Osama Bin Ladin, US forgin policies in Middle East, in particular its support of state of Israel in Palestine and invasion of southern Lebanon in 1982 are the reasons why Al Qaeda is attacking US. jihadists wanted to attack the middle east regimes but Osama was able to convince them the real enemy was America. He modified existing plans for ten planes to crash into targets in Asia and on the east coast of America simultaneously and successfully carried out attacks on selected targets in other parts of US.
According to who? Sorry, as much as I hate shooting the messenger, in this case I just can't get my head around to understanding what Osama's views were about the US.
Originally posted by: Knowcrow69
A middle east scholar Michael Scott Doran wrote, "9/11 was the collateral damage of a clash within Islam". Michael said that Osama and Al Qaeda believed they were the true believers of Islam wanted to install Taliban-style theocracies from Indonesia to Morocco. On the other side there is a silent majority of Muslims who are prepared to deal with the west, who do not see the Taliban as a workable model for modern Islamic states.
Great. So we agree that Osama was a mass-murderer psycho who wanted to spread his psychopathy around the world.
Originally posted by: Knowcrow69
Kuwait did not exist until 1922 when England drew a line in the sand creating Kuwait for the al-Sabah family and cutting of Iraq's access to the Gulf. Iraq tried to reclaim Kuwait many times and finally recognized its independence in 1963. After WWII US power was at its peak and took over control of the Gulf area from Britain in order to protect its oil assets. US maintained the same policies that of Britain and France. Keep these countries strong enough to fight each other but not too strong so that the region would be destabilized or allow them to unit and form a single defense force against...maybe America????
US knew Saddam (their puppet) was getting out control. Iraq was unable to repay the money it had borrow from Kuwait to finance the war against Iran. It had asked asked Kuwait to either forgive the loan or stop selling its oil at lower price but Kuwait refused. Before attacking Kuwait, an American diplomat visited Iraq and Saddam asked her if the US would intervene if Iraq attacked Kuwait and she assured him that US was not concerned about their border issues. I guess the poor guy didn't know he was being setup. US killed two birds with one stone: took him out (financial losses) and got a base in Kuwait at the end of the day.
Kuwait became completely independent in 1961 as far as I remember. I do not know anything about 1922. Iraq recognized independent Kuwait in 1963. Yes, Iraq was bankrupt fighting war with Iran and could not repay the money it borrowed (again, borrowed) from Kuwait. In addition, Kuwait was selling its oil for cheaper price due to abundance and skills. Capitalism-101. Iraq got frustrated. Asked Kuwait to forgive the debt (yeah, right). Kuwait refused. Iraq bombed the hell out of a soverign state.
No, US ambassador did not tell Iraq to bomb Kuwait. Gosh, do you really believe that? All US said was that it will not get involved in their (Iraq-Kuwait's) problem which was settlement of debt.
Iraq violated all the international laws. Captured Kuwait and declared it as part of Iraq and continued marching towards Saudi showing middle finger to UN Security council. After like 7 months, Saddam started coming up with weirdest deals that involved Arafat and PLO.. huh?? Saddam was using biological and chemical weapons on his own people. He was an evil.
US had to get involved since Saudi asked repeatedly. Iraq was approaching Saudi's borders.
Originally posted by: Knowcrow69
It always has been about an uninterrupted access to cheap oil and recent events in Iran are proof. Just read few articles on the recent developments in Iran. I knew Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was just posturing to show the west that he was in charge and to take control of Iran from Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. That would never have happened without the military which is under the control of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.This should keep the Zionists quiet for a while.
What oil? We are talking about Iran's nuke program. The one that it hid for 18 years and would not sign non-proliferation treaty. Until like few days back it won't let IAEA in. Just think if that maniac shoots one nuke towards Israel. It will be a world war in a matter of hours. China, Russia, Korea and of course US jumps in to protect their own interests in the region.
