World War-3 On the way!! ::Iran Vs... - Page 5

Originally posted by: souro

USA is the England of 1800s. Their word is the rule and their might makes it right. They spread discord, try to suppress the progress of other countries and pressures it's allies to alienate all those countries that US dislikes or have a clash of interest to hurt those country's economy. There is nothing to love about US's foreign policies unless one is residing there. But yes one can certainly learn from them how to keep every other country under one's influence.

As far as Iran is concerned, they have every right to develop nuclear technology for civilian purpose or for warfare. It's not upto US or any other country to decide who should develop what technology. US never consulted other countries when they developed their atomic bombs or decided to drop them on Japan. Why should other countries be obliged to take permission from them then?

The wars that US have engaged in recently have resulted in greater instability in those region. US produced Taliban to fight USSR, Afghanistan was run over by Talibans and now although they are not in power but continue to lurk in the shadowy sidelines. Thanks to US, Afghanistan is coming under increasing influence of Pakistan. Iraq war everyone now know was conducted under false pretext. Saddam atleast was a liberal (in terms of religion) Muslim leader, now that country is unstable and in danger of becoming another radical Islamic state. Syria a secular nation is facing the threat of war. Middle East is anyways moving towards even more radical Islamisation under the garb of popular uprising and radical Islamic parties replacing the older governments, US is only hastening the process by supporting such movements and destabilising even those countries which are not hardliners.

Originally posted by: souro

USA is the England of 1800s. Their word is the rule and their might makes it right. They spread discord, try to suppress the progress of other countries and pressures it's allies to alienate all those countries that US dislikes or have a clash of interest to hurt those country's economy. There is nothing to love about US's foreign policies unless one is residing there. But yes one can certainly learn from them how to keep every other country under one's influence.

As far as Iran is concerned, they have every right to develop nuclear technology for civilian purpose or for warfare. It's not upto US or any other country to decide who should develop what technology. US never consulted other countries when they developed their atomic bombs or decided to drop them on Japan. Why should other countries be obliged to take permission from them then?

The wars that US have engaged in recently have resulted in greater instability in those region. US produced Taliban to fight USSR, Afghanistan was run over by Talibans and now although they are not in power but continue to lurk in the shadowy sidelines. Thanks to US, Afghanistan is coming under increasing influence of Pakistan. Iraq war everyone now know was conducted under false pretext. Saddam atleast was a liberal (in terms of religion) Muslim leader, now that country is unstable and in danger of becoming another radical Islamic state. Syria a secular nation is facing the threat of war. Middle East is anyways moving towards even more radical Islamisation under the garb of popular uprising and radical Islamic parties replacing the older governments, US is only hastening the process by supporting such movements and destabilising even those countries which are not hardliners.

Originally posted by: TheUltimate

I will ask the same question. What did US do to bring on itself 09/11/2001? 3000+ people died that day. I am not sure how many families that affected. What should have US done? Sit around? Be nice? The audacity of war opposing crowd seriously ticks me off.
Iraq war was wrong? People say that based on the advantage of hindsight? And yes, WMDs were found.
Come on, US did not want to just bomb the hell out of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It was provoked. Same way, it was provoked to take down Taliban and AQ and its intelligence network which very well could have been Iraq.

Just let the sleeping giant sleep.. it will not come and kick you.

Regarding foreign policy, every strong nation, at some point, has to align itself with an evil some times to bring down a bigger evil. US did that during cold war. There was a little guy named Rajiv Gandhi from India... he did something similar. Hint: LTTE, Sri Lanka.

That is politics and complexity of foreign policies. If US alienates itself from the rest of the world, the rest of the world will not return the favor.

Originally posted by: blue-ice

Every country has the right to do what is necessary to safeguard the interest of their citizens...USA is no exception...infact USA is giving away the money of its citizens to other countries in charity...don't see anyone complaining on that?

Iran has the right to develop nuclear weapons...but the world has the right to feel threatened if a rogue nation does that...India nad Pakistan both have nuclear weapons...but the world feels more threatened because Pak has them...it all depends on how responsible a country that owns the nulear weapons is...

Regarding the Afghanistan war...was USA not right to go after Al-quieda...who killed 3000 people that day...the Iraq war was a mistake...but the loss of Saddam was not...did you see the rejoicing in the country after Saddam was dethroned?

Regarding uprising in Syria and other countries and USA supporting them...how is it USA's fault...how is siding with the right not right? Do you mean to say that if the people in countries like Syria ...where the basic human rights are violated ...decide to stand up against the dictators of their countries and USA is supporting the people of these countries...it somehow becomes USA's fault and not those dictators faults? If tomorrow the female citizens of Saudi Arab decide to revolt against the Govt...for basic rights...like driving a car...and USA decides to support them...it will be USA's fault?...Is maintaining the sataus quo the right thing to do always?Not every uprising is bad in the long run...

The cold war had nothing directly to do with US citizens. However, USA felt that communist influence could negatively affect free trade and global freedom that indirectly affected their citizens and business. That being said the cold war was an immature, childish and reckless standoff between nations that ought to have been more mature.

In hindsight entering Vietnam was a poor decision on part of United States. The intent was never malicious. The French pretty much f**ked up Indochine, and United States like a bunch of idiots thought they could have fixed things. Most of it was fear that the communists would take control, part of it was humanitarian hoping to minimize power struggle in Indochine. It ended up being the worst wars USA fought and our biggest mistake. Had we not involved ourselves history could have remembered it as the big French SNAFU instead of an American one.

Afghanistan was also a similar situation. The USA thought they were containing Russia to protect US interest and at the same time helping the Afghan nationals fight for their sovereignty. It was another idealistic venture that turned out to be a nightmare for Americans.

In regards to Pakistan, USA helps them because in return Pakistan lets us have bases there so we can keep an eye on the Middle East to preserve our oil interests. The Bush administration counted Pakistan as an ally in war on terror and gave wanton aide. The Obama administration has been more cautious, and post Osama's death after finding him in Pakistan – the relations are not perfectly peachy. Unfortunately, we need to continue occupation in Pakistan and Afghanistan as those regions are in turmoil and keep springing anti-US insurgents.

In regards to the Arab spring and its aftermath like Syria – the fact is USA did not want to be involved. We fought two wars Afghanistan and Iraq and were economically drained. Congress was speculating budget cuts and no one wanted to spend money to get involved in anyway. When the Libyan regime and now Syrian regime countered against rebels and rebels started dying in military operations the NATO community decided that it was in global human rights to protect rebels from slaughter and USA was forced to involve itself in matters it cannot afford and did not want to.

Due to a few missteps by a few past presidents namely Truman, Nixon and Bush – the entire nation now faces global repercussions and cannot go back to Monroe doctrine foreign policy of pre WW days. As they say hindsight is 20/20. Of course it is the fault of our own poor policy, but if US foreign policy has to improve – the world has to cut USA some slack as well.

Originally posted by: Knowcrow69

In an interview he was asked if he objected to the govt. of Israel or the Jewish people and he replied "creating an objection against the Zionists doesn't mean that there are objections against the Jewish."

Why is Israel nuclear activities not open to IAEA whilst at least Iran opens it up and also India nuclear power ststions... Seems double standards and an excuse to be trigger happy...

Originally posted by: Knowcrow69

According to many experts such as Juan Cole, a Middle East specialist at the University of Michigan, Ahmadinejad did not say he is going to "wipe Israel off the map" because an idiom does not exist in Persian. Hence the translation of his statement to English has been questioned.

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

In regards to Pakistan, USA helps them because in return Pakistan lets us have bases there so we can keep an eye on the Middle East to preserve our oil interests. The Bush administration counted Pakistan as an ally in war on terror and gave wanton aide. The Obama administration has been more cautious, and post Osama's death after finding him in Pakistan ' the relations are not perfectly peachy. Unfortunately, we need to continue occupation in Pakistan and Afghanistan as those regions are in turmoil and keep springing anti-US insurgents.

Originally posted by: King-Anu

As a Pakistani I would like to thank you for two things.

1) Letting me know that my country is occupied by USA. I am assuming you mean US by "we" and not India. Sometimes it is not clear lol. Anyway I just misssed that important news.

2) Pakistan's offer of bases to US is for the purpose of keeping "eye on Middle east".

@ topic. There is not going to be any war let alone a WW3.