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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: farri.muslimah

love ahmednajdinn he is great leader... love him lot.. Atleast he i better than so called super powers who have destroyed peace all over the world..

I wish our leaders also follow Him because he is so simple , living life of an common man and last but not the least he is not puppet of USA...
I wish someone also take action on britual killing of Palestine peoples..
May peace spread all around the world... Love for all hate for none

If he is so lovable and such a great leader ...then why were there protests against him in Iran and all over the world by the Iranians??
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Knowcrow69


So what you're saying is even though US failed to ascertain the existence of WMD, it had the right to bomb the hell out of Iraq. I can see the "logic" in that.
So how have the "proactive strikes" worked out for the countries involved and the US? Do you think the Americans feel safer today?



Yep. US has all the rights to protect its citizens. Sorry, you do not understand the concept of hindsight and potential threat. AQ, consisting of mostly tribal nomads with bunch of stolen guns was dismantled from Afghanistan and had started spreading to Iraq and other regions. If nothing else, Iraq war kicked AQ's butts.

Iraq war is questioned (and rightly so) mostly because of its financial impact on the US economy. Seriously, who cares about Saddam?

Being proactive has worked perfectly well for the US. 10+ years and no terror attacks unlike, say, India.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: blue-ice

If he is so lovable and such a great leader ...then why were there protests against him in Iran and all over the world by the Iranians??

dear its not nessecary that a person is liked by every one there are always hater and lovers.. many peoples love him many iranians love him.. just few dont you can call them pro americans.. i dont think that every leader in the world is liked by every one :) well for me he is great leader because he live a life on an ordinary man though he is a president still he is not proudy, waste money and live a life of kings i just love this... hope some disagree but he is always great person to me ... Thankss :)
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Knowcrow69


hindsight is irrelevant in your argument because you're talking about a war not a library book. Potential threats exist every where that does not mean you go around killing people. If you believe al-Qaeda is represented by few people with guns then you don't understand the concept of al-Qaeda. Under Saddam, al-Qaeda was never active in Iraq. This mess was created by your demented leaders and now Iraq has been destabilized and will stay that way for a long time.
Typical US response based on arrogance and ignorance has ended up biting in the arzz over and over again. Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq are perfect examples. Being proactive has added fuel to al-Qaeda's fire which has lead to attempts to carry out attacks in the US in the last 10 years.



Hindsight is completely relevant and it becomes apparent to a person with 2 digit IQ if they understand the bigger picture or the concept of it.

Hey, there is something you need to learn. If you fly planes in to the skyscrapers with suicide bombers and kill 3000+ innocent people and cause millions of dollars of economic damage, you are not expecting that the world's strongest country will sit back and not dish it out, do you?

Before talking about Iraq or Afghanistan, you need to educate yourself about what significant happened to USA (unprovoked)? Hint: 09/11/2001. Let's see if you can figure it out. If you do, then everything will make perfect sense.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: farri.muslimah

dear its not nessecary that a person is liked by every one there are always hater and lovers.. many peoples love him many iranians love him.. just few dont you can call them pro americans.. i dont think that every leader in the world is liked by every one :) well for me he is great leader because he live a life on an ordinary man though he is a president still he is not proudy, waste money and live a life of kings i just love this... hope some disagree but he is always great person to me ... Thankss :)

Are you kidding me?...of course no leader/ person is liked by everyone...but against how many leaders do you see protests being made all over the world, people holding rallies and getting killed...he is one of such leaders who people dislike in general, don't agree with his policy...so much so that they are ready to get killed over that
Just because he is a simple man...doesn't mean that he is great or not evil...he is a threat to his own country ..forget abt the world...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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best world war would be all nations vs iran, iraq,israel afghanistan and pakistan .
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: osama-bin-joe

best world war would be all nations vs iran, iraq,israel afghanistan and pakistan .


Remove Israel and add Saudi Arabia😉...I wonder why everyone forgets this evil mastermind which remains backstage and forms the ideological and financial backbone of global terrorism. This country has got the worst system of government and judiciary, living in dark ages with a medieval supremacist culture, boasting its shameless disregard for democracy, individual freedom and human rights - and all this, despite the fact that its a stable economy with high per capita income, unlike most other war-torn and impoverished middle-eastern countries.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Knowcrow69


So with the predictable average IQ of 2, you Americans should be able to figure out why bad things keep happening to you over and over again and develop and implement policies to neutralize the nightmares. Iraq was never a threat to US so stop being delusional.



Wrong answer. No terror attack of that scale has happened in the past 10+ years.

Try one more time to answer now (repeated repetition is the mother of all learning):

Before talking about Iraq or Afghanistan, you need to educate yourself about what significant happened to USA (unprovoked)? Hint: 09/11/2001. Let's see if you can figure it out. If you do, then everything will make perfect sense.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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USA is the England of 1800s. Their word is the rule and their might makes it right. They spread discord, try to suppress the progress of other countries and pressures it's allies to alienate all those countries that US dislikes or have a clash of interest to hurt those country's economy. There is nothing to love about US's foreign policies unless one is residing there. But yes one can certainly learn from them how to keep every other country under one's influence.

As far as Iran is concerned, they have every right to develop nuclear technology for civilian purpose or for warfare. It's not upto US or any other country to decide who should develop what technology. US never consulted other countries when they developed their atomic bombs or decided to drop them on Japan. Why should other countries be obliged to take permission from them then?

The wars that US have engaged in recently have resulted in greater instability in those region. US produced Taliban to fight USSR, Afghanistan was run over by Talibans and now although they are not in power but continue to lurk in the shadowy sidelines. Thanks to US, Afghanistan is coming under increasing influence of Pakistan. Iraq war everyone now know was conducted under false pretext. Saddam atleast was a liberal (in terms of religion) Muslim leader, now that country is unstable and in danger of becoming another radical Islamic state. Syria a secular nation is facing the threat of war. Middle East is anyways moving towards even more radical Islamisation under the garb of popular uprising and radical Islamic parties replacing the older governments, US is only hastening the process by supporting such movements and destabilising even those countries which are not hardliners.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: souro

USA is the England of 1800s. Their word is the rule and their might makes it right. They spread discord, try to suppress the progress of other countries and pressures it's allies to alienate all those countries that US dislikes or have a clash of interest to hurt those country's economy. There is nothing to love about US's foreign policies unless one is residing there. But yes one can certainly learn from them how to keep every other country under one's influence.

As far as Iran is concerned, they have every right to develop nuclear technology for civilian purpose or for warfare. It's not upto US or any other country to decide who should develop what technology. US never consulted other countries when they developed their atomic bombs or decided to drop them on Japan. Why should other countries be obliged to take permission from them then?

The wars that US have engaged in recently have resulted in greater instability in those region. US produced Taliban to fight USSR, Afghanistan was run over by Talibans and now although they are not in power but continue to lurk in the shadowy sidelines. Thanks to US, Afghanistan is coming under increasing influence of Pakistan. Iraq war everyone now know was conducted under false pretext. Saddam atleast was a liberal (in terms of religion) Muslim leader, now that country is unstable and in danger of becoming another radical Islamic state. Syria a secular nation is facing the threat of war. Middle East is anyways moving towards even more radical Islamisation under the garb of popular uprising and radical Islamic parties replacing the older governments, US is only hastening the process by supporting such movements and destabilising even those countries which are not hardliners.



I don't always agree with US foreign policy a lot of the time, I definitely don't agree with a lot of their sanctions and military agreements. The Bush era was the worst in terms of our foreign policy and made matters bad to worse. However, at the same time I feel that people have an unfair bias against US as well and perceive our foreign policy as a one homogenous continuum. Just because a few leaders made really bad choices, does not mean that the entire foreign relations is malicious and will continue to do so. Also every country does act in its self interest and influence the world in their favor. Since USA for a long time had wealth and resources, it came of as a bully. Tomorrow, India, China, Brazil, Russia, whoever has the wealth and resources can come off as a bully. It also takes time to rectify mistakes made. Once you make a military intervention somewhere, it is very difficult to simply pull out and hope everything will be fine right away.

The conflict in Afghanistan was a necessity after what happened in 09/11. Even if the USA was responsible for creating Taliban due to their irrational red fear, one cannot hold USA at fault for wanting to retaliate post 09/11. On the other hand yes, the war in Iraq was a monumental blunder that Iraq, the world and Americans themselves were pulled into due to poor choices, intelligence and even misdirection of the elected officials. The operation to kill Osama Bin Laden, was again a necessity.

It is unfortunate that the region is in turmoil due to US intervention and contrary to popular belief most Americans civilian, military and politicians regret the extent of collateral damage. 50% of the turmoil is USA's responsibility in poor strategy to minimize civilian loss and handling their military better. However, 50% of the turmoil is due to the distrust in USA, pressure to withdraw that resulted in erratic, unplanned operations due to the state of limbo – can't engage fully, but cannot back out either.

As for Iran, like any sovereign nation they have the right to develop nuclear technology for power or weaponry. As a nation that was first to use nuclear weapons and start the arms race the USA does not have a right to dictate nuclear technology to the world. At the same time if a nation feels that nuclear weapons are being developed by rogue states with high risk of falling into the wrong hands, it is well within any nations right to warn other nations and request that some measures be taken. Ultimately it is upto the rest of the nations to decide what to do.

When it comes to USA foreign policy I think many people also forget about the humanitarian branches of our State Department – USAID and the PeaceCorps two non military and non political arms whose mission is to provide humanitarian aid, disaster relief, and economic aid for the development of regions. Very few nations have such branches that actually receive a significant chunk of national budget to benefit other nations.


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