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Posted: 8 years ago
#71

Originally posted by: ---Khushi---


Even after clearly being shown that ALL OF VANDANA'S FEARS REGARDING MAYA WERE TRUE, people still wish to defend Maya's wrongdoings by passing the blame onto others...😆...
IF ANYONE HAS WRONGED MAYA, ITS Ashwin & Jhanvi...

Vandana, Saanjh, Arjun, Ayan...All are victims of Maya's manipulations due to her illness...Even Jhanvi now...


The day it is proven that Maya killed the Mauritius Pundit & Ashwin, that day i would love to hear people's opinion as to whether Vandana was right about Maya or wrong.


I request others also to stop this pointless debate till then.
.Obviously, everyone empathises with the 9 year old Maya...

The problem is what she became post that...

N by the logic that Maya was not given justice by law , hence she became what she is, then even Ayan didn't get justice from law...So is Vandana trying to kill Maya then justified????😆


Even i have stated the same in my post...What if Ayaan gets out of prison and then harms Maya and says I harmed her coz she framed me.😆
So, will Ayaan's actions be justified in this case ?
and will we say that coz Maya framed him she is the root cause of what Ayaan did and not Ayaan himself so if Ayaan harmed Maya then it is ok 😆
Edited by anshvi - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
#72
Actually, Maya should keep committing crimes...N all others should do Gandhigiri...All characters of Beyhadh should also be empathetic towards 9 year old Maya...N quietly allow her to keep doing her manipulations...That is true justice 😳😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
#73

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

What happened to Ayan now is what in all probability has happened to Maya the 9 year old. Her hitting Ashwin is a reaction of some provocation. But from there her life changed.

When Ayan comes out will he believe system, can someone make him believe in the system. That will be the difference between Ayan and Maya.

When system fails someone, someone has to show system exists. This is where I always talk about path.

Maya post wedding wanted to change. Vandana could have given her a chance. Wouldnt Ayan get another chance even after physically assaulting Maya. He assaulted Maya physically. There is no escape that factor, which Saanjh told anyone would do that. No. Your character strength is shown if under provocation you can stay calm.

So Vandana, Saanjh and all will give Ayan a second chance, a loving atmosphere to make him believe in system.

Why that chance was not given to Maya. Vandana at that point only knew Maya the child hit Ashwin, she had also heard Maya's press conference. She denied the chance to Maya. So she is responsible for the mess, her son is in.

Maya was not a terrorist who killed many when she came as Vandana's DIL. With the information Vandana had she could have tried to accept Maya instead of shouting at her every time and humilaillness,r.


Just BC vandana shouted or insulted, Maya separated arjun from his family. OK fine, then what about the 3 yrs when there was no vandana & saanjh or any other root cause. Was she living happily with arjun. Didn't she try to commit suicide, didn't she injured herself and tried to trap arjun etc, what was the cause there?

There are hundreds of mother in law's who don't accept their bahu even if they are normal. Not every mil are mahan, that doesnt mean their bahus turn criminals. There are also children who are abused or live in pathetic conditions. Some of them fight with circumstances & lead a successful life others become criminals. Even in the famous Delhi rape case, 1 argument was the bad childhood of the accused but that didn't deter anyone from calling them criminals.

So the basic point is you can't simply defend Maya's crimes based on a bad childhood or vandana. The root cause is her mental illness, not vandana
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Posted: 8 years ago
#74
Seriously everyone else is blamed for Maya's action.
Vandana, I agree was completely wrong for all the overreacting episode, she should have played mind games. But I would appreciate her for the fact that at least she isn't pretentious. She doesn't like you means she doesn't..there are no mind games like maya.
I don't know how people expected her to be ok knowing after Maya's manipulative attitude. It does not work like that in real life. If you feel like someone is harm for your child's life, you won't say let's give her a chance... I will do something after she is done hurting my child. Logical much.
Though it will be a very wrong analogy but police didn't say that the rape hasn't happened till now, we can't do anything. They saw a threat to a lady's respect and arrested Ayan. That is exactly what Vandana did...she saw a threat and reacted, maybe overreacted but for her maya was a threat to arjun's life...
And for Maya's action, she has completely turned out like Ashwin. Just because she had a difficult childhood does not justify what she did with Ayan. We don't know ashwin's story...maybe he had a worse childhood but that will never justify what he did to a baby. He deserved to die which he did.
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Posted: 8 years ago
#75
And even if we think of Vandana as a root cause...maya may have hated Vandana. What about Ayan, what exactly has he done to deserve a tainted life. A life with a tag of rapist, a life within and after jail. He is being punished because some pure and nice girl decided to love his brother and he forgave his brother even after he didn't contact them for 3 years. It only means you shouldn't be nice to anyone coz you don't know who's feeling insecure about it and then decides to completely f**k up your life.
Edited by -siya-- - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
#76

Originally posted by: MuguetDScorpion

@Soumi: It's amazing how she plays so well the victim. When Arjun goes away, when he is mad at her... she blames herself and makes anyone feel guilty for doing wrong to her. 😆

Haha I wasn't a fan of Jenny but she is doing a great job as Maya. I just love the character. She is so different than all the mahan characters of Indian shows. 😃


I dnt term them as "Mahaan"
everyone has its own prespective towards life...
For us maybe its "Mahaan" for them it Adjustment or Family happiness...

Depends on people

People like Maya priorities herself in the top among all whereas thetypical indian bahus lives for family on social ethics...

See in our home for our moms our eating, achieving, winning, success matters bt did we ever thought she is working 24*7 in home we should give her a break...NO right??😆😆😆

So she is nt mahaan there its her way to njoy life...

I find the "Mahaan" term sarcastic so share my views
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Posted: 8 years ago
#77
Vandana trying to kill Maya because system failed her son is not correct. Ayan trying to harm because he was framed is not correct but still the reason for their action is system failed them.
When system fails people have a tendency to become criminals. And if they become criminals there is no difference between them and Maya. I have never said Maya is not a criminal. I am just asking if you are put in a situation like her will you behave different. If Vandana behave different, if Ayan behave different post the system failing them than going to kill Maya or trying to harm her, instead once again take the path of proper investigation and justice then yes they are different.

Maya is a criminal because system failed her. If I need to emphathize with any other character they have to behave differently believing in law, using its methods to unravel the truth than Maya's method. That's all.

Difference between a criminal and you is that when truth fails you once, you have the belief and trust in you to fight back once again within the means of the system to get justice. Justice has to be delivered in court and not in the street. For that someone who is denied justice has to fight once again within the system, knowing the system.

If that fight has to happen Saanjh has to stop mera duffer and concentrate on what Samay told her. it is justice for Ayan. She has to listen to her parents who told her she is obsessed about Arjun. Should have the courage to let go of Arjun than holding on to him. Can you also tell what Saanjh's mother felt was incorrect about her obsession for Arjun.

Vandana too has to stop going behind Arjun and try to kill Maya instead support Saanjh in letting go of Arjun and support her to look at the case objectively.

Behave differently from Maya when faced with similar situation. At this point everyone is behaving just like the 9 year old Maya who was denied justice.
Edited by shruthiravi - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
#78

Originally posted by: HippoSucks

Vandana knew from everything that happened with Ashwin that she was not a good choice for Arjun. What is the problem with that? That is her opinion, which turned out to be right. Vandana would feel guilty if Arjun had come back to her and told her how wonderful his life has been with Maya. Instead, he came back and told her that Maya ruined her life, so Vandana was right.

Someone who did what she did cannot be healed.




One chance. Just one chance. Couldn't she have given one chance to Maya?
What were the odds here? I bet way less than what they are going through right now.

The future is ever changing, due to our transient actions. So it could have been a happy future for them as likely as a sad one. But denying the chance, led to the assassination of both the scenarios. Have any justification for that?
Even Maya gives people at least one chance. But they have, intentionally or unintentionally let her down.

To put it correctly

Arjun wasn't right for Maya. Not the other way round.
They were, and are incompatible.
Arjun isn't even right for Saanjh.




Besides, I really do feel you should stop imposing your Maya hate onto others. Same goes for Maya fans imposing their Saanjh's hate on others. Let people like her, why are you so hell bent on making everyone hate her?
Imposing opinions will not get anyone anything.
Edited by HadhSeJyada - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Well said TM
The root cause of all problems happening in present is only bcz of Panda.
She is one illogical superstitious irritating character who wants only a doormat bahu for her.
And made a ruckus , humiliation for maya & also her taunts were unbearable.
It actually shud be her to rot in jail instead of ayan.
Maya even though fall on her feet she didn't given even one chance for her.
And her humanity sucks when she didn't allow a patient in her house.
She's responsible to encourage sanjh in s1 saying again & again arjun is urs dialogue & spoiled her life also.
She needs to put a full stop fr her unnecessary curses & her stupidity for once.

pS- idk how ppl r supporting ashwin & Vandana's actions & blaming ONLY maya for everything. Like everything is bcz of maya and every other person is innocent in all this
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Nithunavi

Well said TM

The root cause of all problems happening in present is only bcz of Panda.
She is one illogical superstitious irritating character who wants only a doormat bahu for her.
And made a ruckus , humiliation for maya & also her taunts were unbearable.
It actually shud be her to rot in jail instead of ayan.
Maya even though fall on her feet she didn't given even one chance for her.
And her humanity sucks when she didn't allow a patient in her house.
She's responsible to encourage sanjh in s1 saying again & again arjun is urs dialogue & spoiled her life also.
She needs to put a full stop fr her unnecessary curses & her stupidity for once.

pS- idk how ppl r supporting ashwin & Vandana's actions & blaming ONLY maya for everything. Like everything is bcz of maya and every other person is innocent in all this


Just a question for you.
Before that "Vandana throwing garbage" incident happened,was it not Maya who deliberately jammed the door and herself injured her hand.That was clear manipulation to degrade Vandana isn't it.
I agree with the fact that Vandana's behaviour towards Maya was very poor.Just based on her superstitious beliefs she ill-treated Maya.Fine.Let's bash her for that.I'll join in the bashing.
However saying that Vandana not accepting Maya is the reason for Maya's current insane behaviour is wrong.Vandana and company were nowhere close to Arjun for 3 years,still the guy was suffocated...why ? Ask yourself.

P.S-Please don't bash me by calling me a Saanjh fan.This is only my second post in this forum and I have no favourite characters.A valid counterargument is most welcome.

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