The root cause of all problems - Page 10

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

The near and dear one's of Ayan has to fight for his justice against the one who accused him. Did I say Ayan doesnt deserve justice. I only said for his justice fight Maya the way Sabrina Lal fought Manu Sharma.

Is that wrong to tell. Or should they fight the way Maya fought Ashwin and the way she fought Vandana, Saanjh, Ayan etc...

Should they fight with her the same way she fought with them or should they fight with her the way Neelam Katara or Sabrina Lal fought.

I am not asking anyone to accept her or hug her now for God's sake. Yes if it had happened earlier it would have been good that's all.

Now just fight with her in court to get justice for Ayan that's all instead of taking knife to kill her. Because if that is done the fight becomes similar to Maya and Ashwin.

Originally posted by: anshvi

See, everyone deserves 2nd chances

Vandana should have given her a second chance

But calling her the root cause is the point of discussion and she should not be called a root cause..one of the reasons..yeah can be but not the root cause

Maya's mental illness, the way Ashwin behaved with her, Vandana not accepting her etc. triggered her and Maya herself is responsible for her actions.

If u look at it then Maya did get another chance at life with Arjun...Vandana, Ayaan, Saanjh never interfered for 3 years and yet Maya and Arjun's life was miserable

Maya gives people a chance and they let her down ...Hasn't Maya also let people down ...it is both ways

Before this incident 3 years ago Ayaan had always taken Maya's side and had called out Vandana, he went on to tell her that she was behaving like a villain...He even got slapped by Vandana...Even then Maya separated him from Arjun...did Maya give Ayaan a chance then?

None of the characters are plain white and same goes for Maya...her problem is that she can go to any extreme level to keep Arjun for herself...She went to the level of framing Ayaan in a false case...Her extreme ways is the problem here..

If 2 guys A and B are fighting and A asks B to back off but B slaps A so if in return A stabs B...will that be justified saying that he did warn him but he didn't listen so stabbing him was justified.

the level of action has to be kept in mind...Vandana threw garbage and ill-treated Maya which cannot be justified and so does Maya trying to run her car over Vandana. where she could have died...Now can we say that Maya gave Vandana a chance but she misbehaved so Maya is justified in killing her ?

Neither is Arjun is right for Maya nor Maya is right for Arjun...if they want to stay together and lead happy lives then Maya first and for most needs treatment and Arjun needs to be more sensible

Also as far as i am concerned as a neutral viewer i have no problem with people loving Maya or people loving Saanjh.

The only thing which i find baffling is when people go to any extent to justify Maya's wrong doings as well same goes for Saanjh fans also.

Like in of the posts it was asked to describe Saanjh in one word to which i wrote "Integral' part of show and few Maya lovers had a problem with that too where as many had called Saanjh irritating, clingy , worst part and i literally saw no one asking them why they called Saanjh those things...Coz it was their opinion and we all can have different opinion which is absolutely fine...One can hate a character or love it but justifying every wrong action is not right.

Look.

Maya wasn't even given a first chance to begin with, so the second chance you're talking about is out of the question.

Maya needed, and needs someone like Suman. Not Arjun, not Saanjh, not Vandana, Not Jhanvi.

Suman is the only empathetic person in the whole show. She gave Vandana a reality check. She gave Saanjh many reality checks. The way she treats her daughter is what an ideal mother should.

She'd be great mother in law too. But meh, this is out of context here.

I'm new to this forum, I saw people on a head on war. I just put on a thought up there that imposing opinions helps no one. That's the end of it. Why are you trying to make me feel like I shouldn't have? I wasn't even taking sides in the first place.

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Originally posted by: astha36

I felt the same thing when I saw Vandana's behaviour with Maya around the marriage time. She could have raised objections before marriage, that is her right as a mother but once they got married, she should have given one chance to Maya. In fact several chances. She is a mother, an adult who is expected to be mature. But she didn't show any maturity by never accepting Maya. She made things worse.

There was another show I used to watch - Sasural Genda Phool where Ragini Khanna was a misfit bahu in a middle class family. Of course she wasn't obsessive or insecure or even criminal but she was highly erratic and hot tempered and very insensitive. The saas in that case - Supriya Pathak - handled everything so maturely, giving Ragini chance after chance, allowing her to take time to adjust, giving her the benefit of doubt. Even when the other bahus had to behave in a certain way, Ragini was given many privileges. But that is how a family is kept together. That's what you do when you want to keep everyone together and happy. Not break them apart.

Vandana doesn't behave in a mature way. She behaves like those people who prefer nuclear families to joint families. Because they lack the patience and cannot survive conflicts with the family members.

Maya does seem to need counselling for her obsessive behaviour but if she indeed wanted to have a normal life like others, she could have been rehabilitated. But not with immature aunties like Vandana. And you know how they say, once the lines have been crossed, the relationships can hardly be recovered. That's what has happened. I have seen elders even in real life go by this rule that you want to save a situation from turning ugly because then it is difficult or impossible to go back. But sadly Vandana doesn't behave like a responsible adult and is incapable in my opinion.

Also, funny how everyone calls Maya a psycho and still blames her for all her actions. Maya is called a psycho because she does all these things and thinks herself right or innocent. She is not evil like the vamps in other shows. She is mentally ill. How much can you blame a mentally ill person for their actions?

There is difference between committing a crime coming from a sane place and where you do know that you have an option but choose to commit the crime anyway, which is what most criminals do. And in Maya's case, as far as I can see, she is so desperate for Arjun that she doesn't know another way to handle things.

When Saanjh got desperate in the court case, didn't she say "Jab rape hua hi nahi toh.." Would she have said that if she was in a stable state of mind? When she was calm and composed? Maya is unstable in her head at all times. She is desperate from within and that is why her actions are so extreme. That is not to say that anybody who acts like this is unstable or mentally ill. There are criminals who plot and commit crimes for some benefit knowing fully well that they could go another way. Who aren't desperate. But we are talking about Maya and any other mentally ill criminal. They don't know any better or they can't help themselves. The urge to be with Arjun is so strong, despite being intelligent, she can't see that her actions are pushing Arjun away. If she really was as smart and manipulative as that, she would have realised that her obsession gets too obvious at times and would have kept it under wraps.

Anyway, so yeah I do think Vandana's character only exacerbates the issue and people like her can never resolve such situations.

Can you please please please post this as a separate post?

Everything you said made so much sense.

Originally posted by: HadhSeJyada

Originally posted by: HadhSeJyada

Can you please please please post this as a separate post?

Everything you said made so much sense.

Please post it as a new post!!

(change the name of the actors, though. Might cause a stir, you never know!)

Also, next we'd see them blaming people with autism! We, as a society lack awareness regarding mental ailments and shows like these only increase the stigma associated with it. It's disheartening to see so many people be so f**king insensitive.

Originally posted by: astha36

Thanks! I would post it as a new one but I think it would be redundant. I have realised that some people just argue here or name call without any reason. 😛

And yes I see insensitivity towards the mentally ill and a lot of justifications against Maya just for the sake of it. I mean everyone has accepted that she is a criminal. Can we move beyond that now? The other characters in the show aren't exactly saints and they truly make matters worse. If Vandana really thought Maya was dangerous, how stupid did she have to be to try to forcibly remove her from Arjun's life? She thought she can win by fighting Maya off? And the others are again pretty impulsive. It's more irritating to watch their actions than Maya's. She's the extreme one and we know it. But should we just accept that the other characters are dumb? 😕

Originally posted by: HippoSucks

None of the other characters in the show are criminals.

We can't move on because many people here still don't believe that.