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Posted: 8 years ago
#81
I felt the same thing when I saw Vandana's behaviour with Maya around the marriage time. She could have raised objections before marriage, that is her right as a mother but once they got married, she should have given one chance to Maya. In fact several chances. She is a mother, an adult who is expected to be mature. But she didn't show any maturity by never accepting Maya. She made things worse.
There was another show I used to watch - Sasural Genda Phool where Ragini Khanna was a misfit bahu in a middle class family. Of course she wasn't obsessive or insecure or even criminal but she was highly erratic and hot tempered and very insensitive. The saas in that case - Supriya Pathak - handled everything so maturely, giving Ragini chance after chance, allowing her to take time to adjust, giving her the benefit of doubt. Even when the other bahus had to behave in a certain way, Ragini was given many privileges. But that is how a family is kept together. That's what you do when you want to keep everyone together and happy. Not break them apart.

Vandana doesn't behave in a mature way. She behaves like those people who prefer nuclear families to joint families. Because they lack the patience and cannot survive conflicts with the family members.

Maya does seem to need counselling for her obsessive behaviour but if she indeed wanted to have a normal life like others, she could have been rehabilitated. But not with immature aunties like Vandana. And you know how they say, once the lines have been crossed, the relationships can hardly be recovered. That's what has happened. I have seen elders even in real life go by this rule that you want to save a situation from turning ugly because then it is difficult or impossible to go back. But sadly Vandana doesn't behave like a responsible adult and is incapable in my opinion.

Also, funny how everyone calls Maya a psycho and still blames her for all her actions. Maya is called a psycho because she does all these things and thinks herself right or innocent. She is not evil like the vamps in other shows. She is mentally ill. How much can you blame a mentally ill person for their actions?

There is difference between committing a crime coming from a sane place and where you do know that you have an option but choose to commit the crime anyway, which is what most criminals do. And in Maya's case, as far as I can see, she is so desperate for Arjun that she doesn't know another way to handle things.

When Saanjh got desperate in the court case, didn't she say "Jab rape hua hi nahi toh.." Would she have said that if she was in a stable state of mind? When she was calm and composed? Maya is unstable in her head at all times. She is desperate from within and that is why her actions are so extreme. That is not to say that anybody who acts like this is unstable or mentally ill. There are criminals who plot and commit crimes for some benefit knowing fully well that they could go another way. Who aren't desperate. But we are talking about Maya and any other mentally ill criminal. They don't know any better or they can't help themselves. The urge to be with Arjun is so strong, despite being intelligent, she can't see that her actions are pushing Arjun away. If she really was as smart and manipulative as that, she would have realised that her obsession gets too obvious at times and would have kept it under wraps.

Anyway, so yeah I do think Vandana's character only exacerbates the issue and people like her can never resolve such situations.
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Posted: 8 years ago
#82

Originally posted by: HadhSeJyada




One chance. Just one chance. Couldn't she have given one chance to Maya?
What were the odds here? I bet way less than what they are going through right now.

The future is ever changing, due to our transient actions. So it could have been a happy future for them as likely as a sad one. But denying the chance, led to the assassination of both the scenarios. Have any justification for that?
Even Maya gives people at least one chance. But they have, intentionally or unintentionally let her down.

To put it correctly

Arjun wasn't right for Maya. Not the other way round.
They were, and are incompatible.
Arjun isn't even right for Saanjh.




Besides, I really do feel you should stop imposing your Maya hate onto others. Same goes for Maya fans imposing their Saanjh's hate on others. Let people like her, why are you so hell bent on making everyone hate her?
Imposing opinions will not get anyone anything.



See, everyone deserves 2nd chances

Vandana should have given her a second chance

But calling her the root cause is the point of discussion and she should not be called a root cause..one of the reasons..yeah can be but not the root cause

Maya's mental illness, the way Ashwin behaved with her, Vandana not accepting her etc. triggered her and Maya herself is responsible for her actions.

If u look at it then Maya did get another chance at life with Arjun...Vandana, Ayaan, Saanjh never interfered for 3 years and yet Maya and Arjun's life was miserable

Maya gives people a chance and they let her down ...Hasn't Maya also let people down ...it is both ways

Before this incident 3 years ago Ayaan had always taken Maya's side and had called out Vandana, he went on to tell her that she was behaving like a villain...He even got slapped by Vandana...Even then Maya separated him from Arjun...did Maya give Ayaan a chance then?

None of the characters are plain white and same goes for Maya...her problem is that she can go to any extreme level to keep Arjun for herself...She went to the level of framing Ayaan in a false case...Her extreme ways is the problem here..

If 2 guys A and B are fighting and A asks B to back off but B slaps A so if in return A stabs B...will that be justified saying that he did warn him but he didn't listen so stabbing him was justified.

the level of action has to be kept in mind...Vandana threw garbage and ill-treated Maya which cannot be justified and so does Maya trying to run her car over Vandana. where she could have died...Now can we say that Maya gave Vandana a chance but she misbehaved so Maya is justified in killing her ?

Neither is Arjun is right for Maya nor Maya is right for Arjun...if they want to stay together and lead happy lives then Maya first and for most needs treatment and Arjun needs to be more sensible

Also as far as i am concerned as a neutral viewer i have no problem with people loving Maya or people loving Saanjh.

The only thing which i find baffling is when people go to any extent to justify Maya's wrong doings as well same goes for Saanjh fans also.

Like in of the posts it was asked to describe Saanjh in one word to which i wrote "Integral' part of show and few Maya lovers had a problem with that too where as many had called Saanjh irritating, clingy , worst part and i literally saw no one asking them why they called Saanjh those things...Coz it was their opinion and we all can have different opinion which is absolutely fine...One can hate a character or love it but justifying every wrong action is not right.





Edited by anshvi - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
#83
Vandana tried to kill Maya not because of the failed system it's because Maya framed Ayan. He is in jail because of manipulative Maya and not because of the system. If system failed she would have attacked the judge 😛.

Vandana didn't give her a chance, she didn't accept her?

why should Vandana help her? Why should she take a chance with a psycho character. Is she her God mother or psychiatrist? Does any human risk their son's life to redeem some psycho.

How many of us (forum members) allow our brother or son to marry/live with a manipulative psycho like Maya?

Edited by shalinii173 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
#84
OK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Agn giving the disclaimer cause its needed I am nt "Someone's fan" or "Specific fandom" or smthing i am simply a viewer who has her own POV

Maya is nt grey or light brown or dark choclate character...

She is simply a complex person wd a Evil mind and black heart...as Black also hv shades right??

She is a victim of child abuse in childhood fair enough...
System let her down Fine!!!!!!!!!
She runs a buisness then Why dnt she move out of her house later on and started living seperately..why dnt she appealed in Supreme court and get herself justice

Instead of taking out her rage on every another person who cause no harm to her???
Will these gnna undo her pain, sufferings or bring a smile on the face of "9 year old Maya" NO RIGHT???????

Then if she loves to take sadistic pleasure from the sounds of people cribbing and mourning then sorry she just became that from whom she gt injustice...

Sufferings make people wise and changes their perception about life...80% of the people generally want wht they went through no one else should bt she became opposite jst cause i cnt punish the one i should i will punish all to make myself believe that Yes I can

Thats a clean and clear call of Psychological problem

Vandana is just an another provocation to her inbuilt nature who is covered by a mask she was wearing one threat to her real identity and she is all out in open
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Posted: 8 years ago
#85
@shalini when the 9 year old went to police station to complain against Ashwin, she got beaten up. In society, in party Ashwin told Maya is bad and mad, it was the framing of that child and the system didnt hear the child's voice, so she took punishing Ashwin in her hands.
Yes if Maya put the accusation on Ayan, there is court and judiciary. When it failed one time itself Vandana is taking knife. Is she as immature as the 9 year old. She knows it can be appealed. Should she take punishing Maya in her hands.

It is the system that has to protect the innocent against accusations. If system doesnt protect some people take law in their hands. If we judge them, we have to be absolutely sure under the same circumstance we dont take law into our hands, but we will look for options within the law to get justice.

Suffering has to make people wise. Unfortunately it didnt make Maya wise, instead the fire that burned her, she is burning others, that's her path. She tried to come out of it Vandana didnt help. So she is contuning the burning.

Can suffering make some other burn and become a lamp. Before judging Maya can Ayan, Vandana or Saanjh burn and become the lamp that lights a path. Yes they have been burned now. Which path will they take. Burn and burn others, burn and become light?

Burn and become light is the hardest path to walk. It is the test of fire and test of time. If you have to clean the dirt, you have to get into the dirt and stand like a Lotus that touches the dirt, yet doesnt get dirty. You have to be the fire that cleanses the impurities, still remain pure.

I am open to seeing Saanjh walking this path. Infact I had in many analysis earlier I had put also Saanjh will face the similar situation as Maya but she will burn to give light.

But my only problem now is I am not seeing that in her. I am seeing in her what her mother sees. Obsessed with Arjun, not justice for Ayan.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Its all based on assumptions whether or not maya wud be different if given a chance ..frm maya's current behavior , i cant reach that conclusion..maya will eliminate "anybody" who is slightly close to arjun or whosoever tries to get close ..thats her way of loving people ...may be its the same case with her mom too..vandana only made her job easier post her marriage...it was pairr par kulhadi marna for vandana as her stupid acts made arjun hatw her easily and walk away with maya...maya did the same with sanjh..made sanjh responsible for her miscarriage and arjun threw her out..same she did with ayan now bec arjun went bk to his family..arjun again hates all of them...sanjh, ayan, vandana all r out ..

However , vandana's behavior with maya was classless and crass..foolish...she knew maya is not normal yet she kept provoking her ..



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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@shalini when the 9 year old went to police station to complain against Ashwin, she got beaten up. In society, in party Ashwin told Maya is bad and mad, it was the framing of that child and the system didnt hear the child's voice, so she took punishing Ashwin in her hands.

Yes if Maya put the accusation on Ayan, there is court and judiciary. When it failed one time itself Vandana is taking knife. Is she as immature as the 9 year old. She knows it can be appealed. Should she take punishing Maya in her hands.

It is the system that has to protect the innocent against accusations. If system doesnt protect some people take law in their hands. If we judge them, we have to be absolutely sure under the same circumstance we dont take law into our hands, but we will look for options within the law to get justice.

Suffering has to make people wise. Unfortunately it didnt make Maya wise, instead the fire that burned her, she is burning others, that's her path. She tried to come out of it Vandana didnt help. So she is contuning the burning.

Can suffering make some other burn and become a lamp. Before judging Maya can Ayan, Vandana or Saanjh burn and become the lamp that lights a path. Yes they have been burned now. Which path will they take. Burn and burn others, burn and become light?

Burn and become light is the hardest path to walk. It is the test of fire and test of time. If you have to clean the dirt, you have to get into the dirt and stand like a Lotus that touches the dirt, yet doesnt get dirty. You have to be the fire that cleanses the impurities, still remain pure.

I am open to seeing Saanjh walking this path. Infact I had in many analysis earlier I had put also Saanjh will face the similar situation as Maya but she will burn to give light.

But my only problem now is I am not seeing that in her. I am seeing in her what her mother sees. Obsessed with Arjun, not justice for Ayan.



I agree Maya had experienced trauma in childhood, she's abused by Aswin. She took revenge on him. I don't complaint that. But what I don't understand is what does it had to do with Vandana? Why should she take the risk. You've mentioned if we have to clean the dirt we have to get into the dirt? But why should Vandana clean her dirt? She's not a social worker or running a rehab. She's a normal human just like everyone. Why she has to clean someone's dirt???

No parents allow their child to marry a psycho character like Maya. They don't even allow to make friends with such characters. It's true, isn't it? Then why blame Vandana?

Edited by shalinii173 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@shalini under normal circumstances no one will allow. But marriage happened. Can she say it didnt happen. If it happened as a mature adult she has to look right how it can work. Or shouldnt that be done also.
@anshvi Vandana started the burning once again. Arjun chose not just her, but in a way he used the oppourtunity to go to her apartment as he wanted luxury and freedom. Then the kind of man he is he started breaking promises expecting her to be like Dusky or Saanjh who will just say dont do dont do but allow him to do whatever he wants. Maya didnt do that. She started putting controls, he started breaking more, she lost sense of security and the burning reached its maximum. Once again she felt she cannot trust anyone. She had trusted Dusky too till she protected Dusky's duppatta from fire and when her hands burned Dusky didnt turn to say a thank you to her, instead went on hugging Arjun and she saw them in very close convo hiding from her in the restaurant.

Who is asking anyone to be mahan. Normal beings by their actions become mahan, not by words. Sabrina Lal was a normal woman. But her battle against Manu Sharma to give her sister Jessica justice made her an icon.
Neelam Katara was an ordinary mother . She fought the battle in court to get justice for her son Nitish Katara against the mightly Yadav family

Jyothi Pandey's mother was also ordinary. But she too fought tooth and nail to get juvenile justice law amended.

Yes injustice happened to them. For jessica, for nitish justice was denied in first chance, but Sabrina and Neelam Katara fought the case the way it should be fought.

The juvenile who raped Jyothi Pandey got away because the law couldnt punish him. Her mother fought to ensure another girl is not denied justice like her daughter.

And the Suryanelli case of Kerala -1995 to 2014 the longest battle a girl can think of. But the victim fought the battle to get justice in Kerala high court. She was a simple teenager in love whose lover betrayed her and some 40 people gang raped her continusuosly for some 40-50 days in various places in Kerala.

No one is expecting anyone to forget anything. But yes the expectation is there to behave maturely than childhish. If someone wronged you there are ways and means to punish them. The above battles are that of ordinary individuals who fought against the might the right way showing yes the consistent real battle does get results.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@shalini under normal circumstances no one will allow. But marriage happened. Can she say it didnt happen. If it happened as a mature adult she has to look right how it can work. Or shouldnt that be done also.

@anshvi Vandana started the burning once again. Arjun chose not just her, but in a way he used the oppourtunity to go to her apartment as he wanted luxury and freedom. Then the kind of man he is he started breaking promises expecting her to be like Dusky or Saanjh who will just say dont do dont do but allow him to do whatever he wants. Maya didnt do that. She started putting controls, he started breaking more, she lost sense of security and the burning reached its maximum. Once again she felt she cannot trust anyone. She had trusted Dusky too till she protected Dusky's duppatta from fire and when her hands burned Dusky didnt turn to say a thank you to her, instead went on hugging Arjun and she saw them in very close convo hiding from her in the restaurant.

Who is asking anyone to be mahan. Normal beings by their actions become mahan, not by words. Sabrina Lal was a normal woman. But her battle against Manu Sharma to give her sister Jessica justice made her an icon.
Neelam Katara was an ordinary mother . She fought the battle in court to get justice for her son Nitish Katara against the mightly Yadav family

Jyothi Pandey's mother was also ordinary. But she too fought tooth and nail to get juvenile justice law amended.

Yes injustice happened to them. For jessica, for nitish justice was denied in first chance, but Sabrina and Neelam Katara fought the case the way it should be fought.

The juvenile who raped Jyothi Pandey got away because the law couldnt punish him. Her mother fought to ensure another girl is not denied justice like her daughter.

And the Suryanelli case of Kerala -1995 to 2014 the longest battle a girl can think of. But the victim fought the battle to get justice in Kerala high court. She was a simple teenager in love whose lover betrayed her and some 40 people gang raped her continusuosly for some 40-50 days in various places in Kerala.

No one is expecting anyone to forget anything. But yes the expectation is there to behave maturely than childhish. If someone wronged you there are ways and means to punish them. The above battles are that of ordinary individuals who fought against the might the right way showing yes the consistent real battle does get results.


U need to understand that the cases u have mentioned there the victims fought a battle against the criminal...and if u look at the things then Ayaan is the one who is in need of justice coz he has been wronged by Maya who has framed him of a false rape attempt case and not the other way round !

Jeesica's sister's fight was for her justice against her MURDERER

Suryanelli was fighting against her RAPISTS

Yes Vandana should behave maturely , yes Ayaan should have stayed in limits and we all have condemned their acts too but what u r saying that Maya has chosen a path to burn them and that is her path which is fine coz she was forced to choose that path but they should behave maturely is not right...Maya also needs to stop.

Why look at only the negative side then ?

If Vandana didn't accept her BUT AYAAN AND ARJUN DID

Also after ARJUN SEVERED HIS TIES WITH HIS FAMILY AND SAANJH Still Maya was not happy those 3 years...If Arjun didn't apply color on her but he went on to the extent of SLAPPING SAANJH for her.

What was the excuse for those 3 years...why was she so insecure even then ?

If a person stabs another what do u expect from the person who got stabbed...to hug that person who stabbed him ?

Maya needs to be stopped...whatever she is doing cannot be justified...her mental illness cannot be a justification or an excuse for her actions...One cannot exempt her and then demand others to act righteously with her when she hasn't given them a single reason to empathize with her.

As I said if in future she realizes her mistakes, makes amends and gets better after treatment then I wouldn't mind everyone accepting her.


Edited by anshvi - 8 years ago

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