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Posted: 8 years ago
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Great post TM! I think Maya is more like a sociopath but like Shrutiravi said, she may have a form of MPD as well. Maya Mehrotra the "Public persona" is like a character she plays, in control and ice cold. Then there is the private Maya. Vulnerable, sad and lonely to a great extent.

I think her circumstances created her. I don't think she was born like this. But later in the story, we will get to make a better judgment of this with more facts. I think Jennifer herself said that Maya's character is grey and that of an insomniac sociopath. Her demons haunt her. But Arjun has come into her life as a light. Making her embrace that which she was not willing to before. Color and emotional vulnerability. But Arjun's love has also given her strength to stand up to Ashwin. Because no matter how "in control" Maya is to the world, with Ashwin, she reverts back to that scared 9-year-old time and again. Ashwin knows this, and that is why he gets to her. Ashwin truly hates Maya and the feeling is mutual.

As of now, I think she is a sociopath.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: TheUnique

Falls under neither category ! Just a plain old Indian TV vamp made to look cool & Jennifer playing the role just added to the charm a million times more.



I dont agree Maya is a regular Vamp. She is the protagonist of the story. I would be very disappointed if they make Saanjh the heroine and Maya the Vamp. Because Beyhadh was supposed to be the "Obsessive love story of a bad girl". If Maya is a run of the mill vamp, then this is not sticking to the show brief.

I signed up to see Maya's story. Not how Arjun and Saanjh fight the Vamp and get together. For the first time a Bad woman was supposed to be the one to watch. Not because she is the one we love to hate but we hate to love! So far, they have achieved this to some extent mostly coz of Jenifer's acting. Maya is like a beautiful serpent, we are fascinate and repelled at the same time.

She is a sexed up female ASR type. But the difference here is that ASR was going to be saved by Love, but Maya may not.😲
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Posted: 8 years ago
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i would say definitions are not everything even when we say a medicine works for some disease it only means it works on most of them not everyone there is no 100% in anything especially in regards to human beings its us who define things its our interpretations those definitions given are mostly from case studies which means they apply to majority of them not all them
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: MrDarcyfan



I dont agree Maya is a regular Vamp. She is the protagonist of the story. I would be very disappointed if they make Saanjh the heroine and Maya the Vamp. Because Beyhadh was supposed to be the "Obsessive love story of a bad girl". If Maya is a run of the mill vamp, then this is not sticking to the show brief.

I signed up to see Maya's story. Nothow Arjun and Saanjh fight the Vamp and get together. For the first time a Bad woman was supposed to be the one to watch. Not because she is the one we love to hate but we hate to love! So far, they have achieved this to some extent mostly coz of Jenifer's acting. Maya is like a beautiful serpent, we are fascinate and repelled at the same time.

She is a sexed up female ASR type. But the difference here is that ASR was going to be saved by Love, but Maya may not.😲

asr 😳
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Psychopath:
  • No conscience
  • Charming
  • Cunning
  • Intelligent
  • Born like this
  • Go-getters
I can agree with 4 things i.e. Charming, cunning, intelligent and go-getters. Intelligence and cunningness are needed to survive in this world. Go-getters show how active they are. I cannot agree with no conscience and born like that as Maya does have the conscience. She knows very well what she is doing. I don't think she was like that from her birth. It was only under the forced circumstances, she is the way she is.

Sociopath:
  • A very small conscience
  • Anti-social
  • Act without thinking
  • Environment plays a huge factor
  • Impulsive and hot headed
  • Can possibly love (confirmation required?)
In all the above-mentioned points, it has been the environment where she was brought up and that makes a huge difference. The other thing is she is impulsive and hot-headed which makes her violent. She can love people who are near and dear to her. She loves her mother & Arjun. She can love people who stand for her, no matter what. She would not like to lose her loved ones at any cost. She acts without thinking only when she loses her temper, which is quite common. As for her conscience, she needs to understand the difference between platonic love and limitless love which we call as beyhadh pyaar. In my view, it is the environment she was brought up and her temper which are the major issues Maya is facing. Apart from that, she needs some sense for which someone needs to show her the proper way.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: MrDarcyfan



I dont agree Maya is a regular Vamp. She is the protagonist of the story. I would be very disappointed if they make Saanjh the heroine and Maya the Vamp. Because Beyhadh was supposed to be the "Obsessive love story of a bad girl". If Maya is a run of the mill vamp, then this is not sticking to the show brief.

I signed up to see Maya's story. Not how Arjun and Saanjh fight the Vamp and get together. For the first time a Bad woman was supposed to be the one to watch. Not because she is the one we love to hate but we hate to love! So far, they have achieved this to some extent mostly coz of Jenifer's acting. Maya is like a beautiful serpent, we are fascinate and repelled at the same time.

She is a sexed up female ASR type. But the difference here is that ASR was going to be saved by Love, but Maya may not.😲

I liked what you said "" Maya is like a beautiful serpent, we r fascinate & repelled at the same time "" This line perfectly describes Maya.
But I doubt we would be this fascinated or spellbound if this character would have been played by any ordinary actress. The CVS would have failed to achieve what they wanted but casting Jennifer here did the trick.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: sellysona

I actually myself had researched about sociopath and psychopath on google a lot of time.. But sometimes i find both and sometimes i feel its noone of them.
A sociopath or psychopath person doesnot have any feelings but its not the same with maya. She actually jumped in river to save her mother. Means she has feelings. She has conscience.
I sometimes feel it as a bipolar disorder also.. Bcoz she has mood swings. She is crying and breakingdown and suddenly she becomes violent. It feels as she is changed. And then within few mins she is back to being emotional.

I think cvs themselves have not defined her illness properly and thy are showing time to time every characteristics that can be related to mental disease.
Whatever it is i just hope thy show maya to be treated properly. Just showing her as pyschopath or mentally ill and giving her license to become killer and vamp, and by the end killing her as she is unredeemable anymore, will be insensitive way to show mental illness.. I dont mind whether or not she stays wth Arjun. But her getting peace finally will be justice for her all childhood sufferings.


I think possible for sociopaths to have feelings (not sure completely) because the environment they grew up in causes them to be like this, they weren't born like this.

I think the CVs need to be consistent with the traits and the symptoms of the mental illness they are trying to show but they obviously have no idea which specific one. They're throwing all the non-normal stuff in to emphasize that she has issues and mixing it all up.

Psychopaths brains are wired differently, therefore they can't be "redeemed" per say. Which is why a part of me hopes that she isn't that.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: TheUnique

Falls under neither category ! Just a plain old Indian TV vamp made to look cool & Jennifer playing the role just added to the charm a million times more.


I don't think Maya's character is just a regular vamp. There are so many shades to her, which makes her character interesting.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: pomegranate

from medicaldaily;



Maya attacks ashwin when provoked, otherwise she maintains her distance. upbringing plays significant role in creating sociopaths, whereas psychopaths are born that way. A sociopath's moral compass is askewed, just like maya's but perhaps it wasn't a decades ago? circumstances and the need to survive messed it up. so if I had to choose, then maya is a sociopath but even then I don't think so. Because if she was, then she would not have risked her own life to save arjun and janvi, sociopaths cannot do that neither are they loyal towards anyone. if maya is love and accepted by someone, then she will do everything for them including almost dying.that is not typical sociopath behaviour.


The recent episodes show maya is not after arjun "for fun" or because of junoon, she actually draws strength from him in order to stand up to ashwin. A sociopath is not capable of feeling that much emotion or anything genuine, another example is when she freaked out when janvi was unconscious or at the hospital, or the time when she asked arjun to pray for her mother because god won't listen to her due to all the bad things she has done. so that being said, I don't know what is wrong with her and maybe cv's messed up. although, she is paranoid, delusional, irrational, prone to sudden outbursts and impulsive. don't know what to call that.

EDIT: I'm no expert, but I think most sociopaths/pyschopaths do things just because they can, they get a kick out of it. For maya, she does morally questionable things because according to her, there is no other way, because she is afraid of losing something that means a lot to her. it is almost like reflex or a defensive measure, or perhaps a method of survival she has learned over the years. I don't think maya does anything because she thinks it is fun or because she can get away with it.



I agree with some of your points, which is why I can convince myself she is neither as well. But sometimes I also see traits that match the two illness as well. Its just a mix and match - CVs fault though I think.

I don't think Sociopaths and Psychopaths do things just to get a kick out of it. For the most part many lead non-violent lives. They are go-getters, so if a Psychopath, wants something, they will stop at nothing to get it. Sociopaths won't be bothered by anything till it gets in their way, I think as well. That being said, you obviously have you scary class A category psychopaths who do violent things and get a kick out of it.

Once again, I am not a pro either. Just somethings I have read haha.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: SaurabhKiRadha

it is difficult categorise maya in box definition of psychiatric illness . infact due to unprovoked manipulation against some ckt i doubt if she really has some severe issue which are making her to manipulate things or she is too selfish n irrational person !!

i feel she is suffering from borderline personality disorder. n person suffering from this do manipulate things .

i will post info from Google here

first BPD

Borderline personality disorder (BPD), also known as emotionally unstable personality disorder, is a long-term pattern of abnormal behavior characterized by unstable
relationships with other people, unstable
sense of self , and unstable emotions . There is often an extreme fear of
abandonment , frequent dangerous behavior, a feeling of emptiness, and self-harm . Symptoms may be brought on by seemingly normal events. The behavior typically begins by early adulthood, and occurs across a variety of situations. Substance abuse,
depression , and eating disorders are commonly associated with BPD. BPD increases the risk of self-harm and 10% of people affected die by suicide .
BPD's causes are unclear, but seem to involve genetic, brain, environment, and social factors. It occurs about five times more often in a person who has an affected close relative. Adverse life events also appear to play a role

more info here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotionally_unstable_personality_disorder



than about manipulation

Definition:
Manipulation - The practice of steering an individual into a desired behavior for the purpose of achieving a hidden personal goal.
Collateral Damage
People with Personality Disorders often engage in behaviors which appear manipulative and controlling to those around them. While these manipulative acts may be deliberate and conscious on the part of the Personality Disordered individual, their focus is often not so much on the person they are controlling as it is on themselves. In many cases, the person is attempting to soothe internal feelings or fears by creating a focal point in a close relationship, rather than attempting to produce certain feelings in others - a bit like the way a puppeteer seeks an audience response through the puppet's antics.
This helps explain why appeals for fairness or logical arguments are often ineffective in persuading people with Personality Disorders to behave more fairly or lovingly. For them, their own feelings take precedence, while the feelings and needs of others may appear small and insignificant. This can result in a dysfunctional Situational Ethic in the mind of the person with the Personality Disorder in which the end (resolving the internal feelings) justifies the means (controlling, manipulating or hurting someone close).
This does not qualify as an excuse for manipulative or hurtful behaviors. It can be helpful for Nons however to understand that this disconnect exists in the minds of some Personality Disordered persons, and that the manipulative or controlling behavior is not somehow deserved, or even on some levels personal.
How it Looks
Behaving in an outrageous or violent way in order to provoke an angry response - known as Baiting.
Casting oneself as a victim in order to evoke a sympathetic response - also known as Self-Victimization.
Overt acts of self-harm intended to generate a crisis for loved ones.
Overt cheating or flirting to evoke a sense of jealousy in others.
Withdrawal, avoidance or silent treatment designed to get the other person to pursue closeness.
Proxy Recruitment, or pitting two other people against each other in order to create conflict between others.
Chronic empty promises.
Raging with the intent of maintaining a state of conflict or to force another to pay greater attention.
Hoovering to persuade a withdrawing abuse victim to return to a state of closeness.
How it Feels
Acts of manipulation often evoke the greatest feelings of betrayal and anger in those who are affected by them. It is humiliating to discover that someone has been controlling you without your consent.
Learning To Cope with Manipulation
Your thoughts and feelings are your own property and nobody has a right to manipulate or control your feelings without your consent. Therefore it is important to establish boundaries to protect yourself and to detach emotionally from the manipulative person so that your own feelings cannot be used as a tool to control you.
What NOT to Do
Don't fly off the handle when somebody does something outrageous. Just get away from them.
Don't take it personally when someone tries to manipulate or control you - chances are they are so focused on themselves that your feelings are insignificant to them.
Don't argue or plead for compassion or justice from a controlling person. They may be looking at the situation through a very different lens than you and be blind to your logic.
Don't retaliate or try to get revenge on a person who manipulates you. This will only make the situation worse, and you will likely regret it.
Don't put yourself in a position where you can be easily controlled. If the manipulative person gets to you by spending your money or breaking objects which are valuable to you don't allow them access to those things.
Don't let your guard down when a manipulative person switches and starts being kind. Most abusive behaviors are cyclical and are based on the ebb and flow of the abuser's feelings.
Don't become isolated and suffer in silence. You need support to cope.
What TO Do
Quickly, calmly and without drama, leave the situation and get to a place where you are treated with respect.
Work on boundaries which will protect you, your loved ones and your property. Make people and things which are vulnerable off-limits to those who don't have the ability to control their own behavior.
If appropriate, state clearly and calmly what the offending behavior is one time only - such as "when you do this, I feel that".
Get support and discuss your concerns with someone who cares about you and who understands Personality Disorders.
Spend time with people who will treat you with genuine respect and honor and uphold your dignity.
http://outofthefog.website/top-100-trait-blog/2015/11/4/manipulation


i tried to search if crime committed by than pardonable ? mostly not

"For the most part, people with personality disorders are quite capable of making choices about their behavior. They know the difference between right and wrong, although they may have no emotional investment in doing what is right. They can follow society's rules and laws when it suits their purpose"

here is the article citing incident where bpd patient was punished.

http://www.lovefraud.com/2012/07/17/personality-disorder-as-an-excuse-for-criminal-behavior/




another article showing strong correlation of bpd n criminal behavior.

http://hubpages.com/health/Borderline-Personality-Disorder-Criminal-Behavior

Borderline personality disorder has been reported as the one of the top disorders prison inmates are diagnosed with linking the disorder with criminal behavior (Sansone 2009). Between 25% to 50% of inmates in prison suffer from borderline personality disorder, mostly shown within females (Sansone 2009). So what is borderline personality? What causes someone to develop the disorder? Why is it linked to so many within our criminal justice system? And how can we prevent so many who suffer from borderline personality disorder from becoming another number within our prisons?
Borderline Per


u can go to that link more info is there n also questions to know if person has signs suggestive of bpd.


It is possible that it could be Borderline Personality Disorder from what you've written. Especially @bold, it seems true for Maya, she has no problems breaking rules for her purposes e.g. promoting Arjun's friends so he won't see Saanjh. But will follow rules, as long as they don't get in their way.

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