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Posted: 11 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: ZaYaFan1



I ain't trying to argue or interfere but here I think I must report you that first of all, Wudu is at all accounts necessary before reading the Holy Quran and offering Namaz. And for your question that what should we do if we do not have a supply of water. The answer is that if you do not a supply of water or you are on a journey, you must perform Tayyamum (Dry Ablution). In this kind of ablution you must seek a clean surface or pure sand to perform Wudu.



I clarified it from a knowledgeable person.

You're missing the point here, totally missed the point of water example.

Wudu is obligatory, yes. Sure, if you don't have water you can do dry ablution. But according to my source imaginary Wudu is acceptable too. Say what if you were in a place where there's lack of even sand and clean surface? It's the intention which matters in the end and acceptance from Allah.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#52

Originally posted by: -Alina-

Hello Lovely Ladies. Seems like there isnt any Shia Muslim around, so to clear few points I am replying to this post (I am a silent reader and you can check my profile I joined IF in 2005 and with this no. Of posts I am no where...lol let me get back to the topic)

Well with the name Zain I can say they might Shia but they are not because I haven't seen any Shia man named as Usman(as far as I know) secondly about namaz timings and the way they are shown offering it...it's so not our way! About timing let me clear it, we do offer it 5 times a day and I fact at some occasions I myself, have offered it at 5 different times, but then again often you will find a Shia praying Zuhr Asr together and Magrib-Esha together. Now coming to the way Alia offered it. That neck movement at the end of namaz(Salam pherna...I guess..sorry if I am wrong..I seriously have no idea about) we don't do it that way! And trust me that is the only difference in our prayers ! No actually we have Qunooth too...we offer it in 2nd rakht of every namaz) apart from it I don't think there anything that is different. I have been to Hajj and I have offered namaz there with all sunni's around me. We didn't had any prob there.

About the difference between our believes. Well we believe that Hazrat Ali(as) is the only caliph and we believe in 12 Imams (as) (descendant of Hazrat Ali a.s) and no we aren't enemies ! :) I have so many Sunni friends and all of respect each other's believe.
About Wazu. Yes before Reading Quran you have to do that, even if you are reading translation. As these are words of Holy Quran, whether they are in some other language you must give it as much respect as you can.

And now coming to that Maula Ali background score. I mean... What is this???? Music in any form is haram in Islam! We all are Muslims! Doesn't matter which school of thought we follow! But we all are Muslims ! And trust me apart from nauha,marsiya,manqabat we don't have any such music! You must be thinking that what are these what I just mentioned! It's is a poetic way and tells you about the story which happened in Karbala! And there isn't any music in it !

And about touching Quran during menstruation, well if you are living in India and Pakistan you must know this that you are not suppose to touch it as during this time you arent pure(Pak)! But Saudis don't believe it! They say you are still pure from heart and you can touch and read it !

Sorry if this post offends anyone in any way! And sorry for some typing errors, I feel lazy to read it again and correct my mistakes ! :p

thank u so very much for wrtng it in detail, I wanted 2 wrt but thn i thot some of em ll nt agree wid me..so I didn't
😃 tnx alot
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Posted: 11 years ago
#53
I doubt they are Sufi muslims because they are very rare. I think msot of them are in Turkey.
And btw even in Sunni muslims there are different opinions. Some even believe that you can touch/read Quran when you are menstruating.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: -MakhanMalaai-

Thanks for clarifying Alina.. it was a good read.. Exactly as I said just don't play any music..

Suhana: ofcourse we were talking about Quraan being held in your hand so you do need Wudu for that.. and what is a Sufi Muslim? 😕 I have heard about Sufism.. but there is no Sufi Muslim.. and even though as much as I love Sami Yousuf and Meher Zain all kind of "Music" is haram..

Here in Wikipedia they said that they r Sufi Muslims.😆 I didn't get that out of nowhere

Cited from Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beintehaa

"Shabana's family, which consists of Aaliya, Ayat, and her husband, are Sufi Muslims living in Bhopal. Usmaan's (Shabana's older brother) family includes his wife Suraiya and their sons Fahad and Zain. Fahad has two wives Nafisa and Shazia. They live inMumbai."


Edited by Suhana622 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#55
But in the show they never mentioned them as Sufi muslims anywhere
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: TheJake



I clarified it from a knowledgeable person.

You're missing the point here, totally missed the point of water example.

Wudu is obligatory, yes. Sure, if you don't have water you can do dry ablution. But according to my source imaginary Wudu is acceptable too. Say what if you were in a place where there's lack of even sand and clean surface? It's the intention which matters in the end and acceptance from Allah.


Hey there jake

This is the answer for your question

o Shaykh Abd al-Azeez ibn Baaz was asked a similar question, and he said:

It is not permissible for a Muslim to touch the Qur'aan when he does not have wudoo, according to the majority of scholars. This is the view of the four imaams (may Allaah be pleased with them), and this was the view expressed in the fatwas of the Companions of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). A saheeh hadeeth concerning that has been narrated from Amr ibn Hazm (may Allaah be pleased with him), stating that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) wrote to the people of Yemen: "No one should touch the Qur'aan except one who is taahir (pure)." This is a jayyid hadeeth which has a number of other isnaads which strengthen it. Hence it is known that it not permissible to touch the Qur'aan except in a state of purity from both major and minor impurity. The same applies to moving it from place to place, if the person who is moving it is not taahir. But if he touches it or moves it with something in between, such as picking it up in a wrapper, then it is OK. But if he touches it directly when he is not taahir, this is not permitted according to the saheeh view of the majority of scholars, for the reasons stated above. With regard to reciting it, it is OK for him to recite it from memory when he is without wudoo', or for him to read it if the Qur'aan is held by someone who asks him to correct or prompt him.

the above information is from islamqa.com.. they've used a couple of Arabic words..lemme know if you're having difficulty to understand ..i'll try my best to clarify In-Shaa-Allah

Information on dry ablution/tayammum

It is permissible to do tayammum with anything that is from the earth. This is the view of Abu Haneefah and Maalik. In their view, it is valid to do tayammum with dust, sand and pebbles. Abu Haneefah regarded it as permissible to do tayammum with smooth rocks surfaces, plastered walls and clay made from pure mud. The same applies if one strikes a cloth and dust rises. -islamqa.com

In dire situations ,if a person is unable to perform wudoo/ablution due to unavialabilty of water or sand..

If he/she is unable to do tayammum,he/ she may pray without wudoo' or tayammum, because Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):

"Allaah burdens not a person beyond his scope"

[al-Baqarah 2:286]

"So keep your duty to Allaah and fear Him as much as you can"

[al-Taghaabun 64:16].

But you know honestly speaking I tried to think of situations/places where there is no water and sand available ,but I couldn't think of any..there are chances that there might be lack of water but chances of sand and water both being unavailable, chances are very slim...at least I couldn't think of any such situation

And youre right about the intention part...in islam intention does count a lot, and if a person truly intends to worship Allah Ta'ala , with sincere intention ...then trust me, Allah Ta'ala will pave way(s) for him and will make it easy for the person to worship Him.

I hope that addresses your quandary..let me know if there is any confusion...I'll try to address it

And Allah knows best.


Edited by mystic_dunes - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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sonmeone please enlighten me what is a sufi Muslim in the first place? did they make it on their own? 😕😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: -MakhanMalaai-

sonmeone please enlighten me what is a sufi Muslim in the first place? did they make it on their own? 😕😆


Well somebody can always correct me here, but what I know is - There are two denominations in Islam as we know: Sunis and Shias. But like Sunni or Shia, Sufi's not a sect. Technically Sufis tend to practice the religion by following all the basic rules. Try not to stray away from Allah. They feel connected to Allah. That whatever's happening to em is coming from no source, but Allah. You can say it's a mystical approach mostly.
Edited by TheJake - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: -MakhanMalaai-

sonmeone please enlighten me what is a sufi Muslim in the first place? did they make it on their own? 😕😆


The only thing I know is that they are more spiritual.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: -MakhanMalaai-

sonmeone please enlighten me what is a sufi Muslim in the first place? did they make it on their own? 😕😆

To tell u the truth, I heard it for the first time in Wikipedia when I started to watch the show. And I too have no clue where they came from😆. And I also only heard of two groups: Sunni and Shia.
And I have another problem too with people showing Muslims in shows, they show them in darga's and stuff and praying to the grave. As far as I know, this is not accepted in Islam. U r only suppose to do sajda to Allah (S.W.T.) only. They should go to a mosque and pray there but no, they go to darga and tie strings. This is what Sikh do.
Again I am just saying my point. No trying to hurt anyone's sentiments nor am I trying to compare any groups or religions

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