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Posted: 12 years ago
#51
@Jan50 well said! But shiv was not rude at all yesterday,he acted very sensible and maturely.Even when Ira interfered in to S and A 's private life also he said ,he is hurt and forgiven her.But,Ira in today's episode also she says,when my own son is not talking my side,I hope I translated it right.First she needs to trust her son and second she needs to be openminded and third teach Saachi Some sense or how to behave?
The problem is saach kaadve hothe hi!that is the problem with Ira!
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Posted: 12 years ago
#52
Simply put, Ira showed her own aukaat when she tried to show Anandi hers.

I still feel Ira failed her son. She failed in her love, faith and trust in him due to her ego being hurt. There is something called benefit of doubt, and regardless of what clarification Anandi tried to give or not give, Ira should have wait for her ADULT son to come home and speak sensibly about these revelations before jumping to conclusions and acting the victim.

Yes Dadisa did wrong in fouling up the impending rishta between UD's daughter and Shiv but her intentions were not vile. It was obviously not her life's sole purpose to go out and malign Shiv's name. Remember the scene, how she rushed to the other gaon and got back quickly. There was no premeditation involved.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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shiv and Anandi are not giving any importance to Sheker's family and their love or feelings. looking after wife and giving importance to his wife does not mean stop thinking and caring for his parents he should give equal importance, even wife is not secured with a husband like shiv who does not know how to blance relationship now it is IRA turn and it can be Anandi turn later in life.

We cannot say parents has no right to talk anything about son or DIL, they should only act like puppets who should be happy when they both are happy and should support and feel bad if they have any problems including DIL's family and ex-husband problems.

Just imagine, before telling everything to Urmi devi, DS dosn't know that if Shiv loves Anandi or not and she also knows that it is very hard to convince Anandi for marriage, and the fact was the same Anandi never accepted Shiv as her husband even after she got married to shiv, she only married shiv for her mother's wish, if her mother would have not died Anandi would have never married Shiv, then what would have happened to shiv reputation and if shiv married another girl and Urmi devi tells everything that DS said about Shiv to Shvis wife (not Anandi), would she be able to accept Shiv after know he also had a illegal relation with someone in London, does Shiv and his family need any of this problems.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#54
I find it very funny that people say Ira is wrong and shiv is not...

Those who watched that episode when urmi was telling anandi in Karni mata temple not to marry shiv, will remember that it was anandi who had boasted loudly and proudly saying she is the sarpanch and it is her duty to find out who that dhokri is. No one had asked her to do that, she herself volunteered to do it. She had even promised chotima that she would let them know as soon as she found out.

If it was some lady other than her dadisa, would she have kept quiet? Would she have asked Shiv what should I do now? NO... She would have brought that lady before Shiv and Shekhars and put an end to the issue... but because it was her dadisa who helped her with this rishta, anandi decided to save dadisa for her own selfish reasons... This was not expected from a sarpanch.

So Ira was right in confronting her even if done before of Urmi. Ira was not biased. She was being just even to an outsider.

And shiv was completely wrong to open his mouth big before elders especially his dad and grandfather.


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Posted: 12 years ago
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@Parri

Sorry. But whatever you wrote fits Singhs, Shiv and Anandi more than to Ira!

Shiv failed his mother by hiding truth from her! Shiv, Anandi, DS and Singhs betrayed Ira's trust! They took her and rest of Shekhars for granted!

How can Shiv expect his family to happily accept whatever Anandi and Singhs do? How can he assume they'll be yes men in his actions? How can he assume they'll be as mad for Anandi and Singhs as he is? How can he assume if he takes things in a particular way then his family will also take it same way?

He FAILED as a son by hiding truth from his parents, not balancing between new found love and in laws and his own biological family, forever expecting his family to make adjustments for Singhs and Anandi!

He proved to be a HYPOCRITE as he chose to be tolerant and understanding of DS' action but could not see the concern behind his mother's behaviour!

Anandi's silence on this matter got the better of her. In her bid to protect DS she FAILED to be honest and open with her new family!

Lies or loose ends can wreak havoc in a person's life. Anandi has had enough experience of it. Couldn't she have taken this up with Shiv again? Goaded him to settle this before it creates trouble?

Sach kadwa hota hai applies to Anandi! Whatever Ira said was true only. No lies or sugar coating there. Sach kadwa hota hai applies to that shameless DS!

Ira or Shekhars have no obligation to put up with manipulations of Singhs!

And lies, slandering, manipulations are WRONG no matter with what intention they are done! DS was selfish here. Clear cut personal interest in securing a good groom for her divorced DIL.

And wasn't any planning there? What about DS dolling up Anandi and sending her to Shiv's office? Or inviting Shiv to dinner all the time? Or creating scenario to have Anandi and Shiv alone together even after dark? Or emotionally blackmailing Anandi through dying mother to agree to marry Shiv? And Anandi also begging Shiv to marry her as a part of dying mother's last wish? Belittling and maligning of Ashima by DS? Openly asking Shiv whether he would marry Anandi or not?

That shameless DS would not let Anandi even go alone to teach at her school! She arranged for classes to be held at home. She did not let Anandi go to regular college and instead made her study via correspondence. She allowed her school to be completed only through self study and going to school only for exams.

BUT when she had to latch her divorced DIL to a single, young IAS officer she let her go ot independently? Wah!

That woman has played games and done drama to make this match possible to assuage her guilt!

Yeh hai SACH! Woh bhi Kadwa wala!

Anandi knew later what games DS had played. But she kept silent.

Does she think only confiding in Shiv is sufficient? Ha!

Looks like she learnt lessons from her previous marriage. Earlier she had family by her side but not her hubby. This time she is focusing on having miyan in her mutthi because that's more important. Otherwise in laws become foster parents and you remain daughter only! Ha!

Shiv has shown he is a thankless son who takes his family and their support totally for granted. He behaves like a collector even at home.
He may say things to Sanchi. But had to be careful in choice of words while talking to mother in front of everyone.

Ira does not have chhoti soch. Rather Singhs, DS, Anandi and Shiv were examples of chhoti soch by fibbing to Shekhars for their own ends. Silence also constitutes supporting a lie.

It's Ira's right to be angry at what happened. She has no obligation to understand shameless DS' intentions.

Wonder why no one realises or understands Ira's concerns as a doting mother!

Just because she's been nodding her head happily in agreement to whatever Singhs/Shiv/Anandi did, it does not mean she's a puppet or others are some mahaan entities whose actions Ira always has to support.
She had plethora of choices for her family and son. Yeh SACH hai. Singhs and others should not think they can get away with any BS. Woh ya unki ladki koi nyamat nahi Ira ke liye. They needed her & her son and their approval. She did not need them. So why should she bear their stupidity?

Mr. ADULT SON Shiv needed this REALITY CHECK. He may bear any BS of Dadiji out of love for Anandi. But don't expect family will too. And if they support you and your decisions at least you have MANNERS to honour their sentiments, be open with them and show respect.

Shiv ji can stand up for wife but he has no right to put down his mother in process! Beta hai, aulaad hai, wohi ban ke rahe. He's not older than his mom!

And if he has problem with family then better settle somewhere else with wife instead of dictating family how to behave.

Ideally he should be ghar jamai considering how much he understands DS and Singhs, laughs off their BS and is silent or careful in choice of words while dealing with them even if he has problem with them.

It will be progressive and a nice message removing stigma around ghar jamais. Anandi can also be truly happy around Singhs.

Shekhars can come to visit on weekends or festivals to laugh, eat and nod to whatever Shiv, Anandi and Singhs say.
Unka toh yehi kaam reh gaya hai bas. Otherwise they have no rights and must be reprimanded for anything that displeases AnSh, DS and Singhs.

Anyone can see which party is making most compromises and adjustments in this alliance and which one is taking advantage of others' patience!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@Annika,

To clear up a misunderstanding: the lack of premeditation I spoke of was NOT regarding Dadisa's attempts to woo Shiv for Anandi, but the lack of planning involved in maligning Shiv's name with UD. 😊

As for the rest in your post, let's just respectfully agree to disagree 😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Shinya

I find it very funny that people say Ira is wrong and shiv is not...

Those who watched that episode when urmi was telling anandi in Karni mata temple not to marry shiv, will remember that it was anandi who had boasted loudly and proudly saying she is the sarpanch and it is her duty to find out who that dhokri is. No one had asked her to do that, she herself volunteered to do it. She had even promised chotima that she would let them know as soon as she found out.

If it was some lady other than her dadisa, would she have kept quiet? Would she have asked Shiv what should I do now? NO... She would have brought that lady before Shiv and Shekhars and put an end to the issue... but because it was her dadisa who helped her with this rishta, anandi decided to save dadisa for her own selfish reasons... This was not expected from a sarpanch.

So Ira was right in confronting her even if done before of Urmi. Ira was not biased. She was being just even to an outsider.

And shiv was completely wrong to open his mouth big before elders especially his dad and grandfather.


As I mentioned many times that Aanndi is the most selfish character in the bv...for herself , she can go to any extent
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Posted: 12 years ago
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ira may realize her mistakes but she is most untrustable character .who know again by sanchi words she start again blaming anandi for no reason .
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Posted: 12 years ago
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In today's episode, I got a feeling Ira thinks Shiv took the blame on himself to protect Anandi. I don't think she truly believes he already knew about dadisa's act and didn't bother telling her. That is why she is more hurt that her son chose his wife not her. May be once Shiv talks to her and tells her everything, she may come around. She cannot stand to hear bad things about her son, but she hurt someone else's daughter. This part I don't like. As a mother if you can't bear people talking bad things about your kid, then you should be careful when hurting somebody's kid.
It is very tough to balance between two families. It is a big challenge for both woman and a man.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Shinya

Shiv is a jhoru ka ghulam... what else can be expected from him?

He was a real disgrace to any mother today. It is right to support your wife but wrong to insult your own mother in front of her.

How ungrateful he was to warn his own family not to treat his wife badly. They were always nice and kind to her, how could he even say that?



Shinya dear!

What's wrong with you? Why are you so harsh on Shiv? I always find your posts very logical, but this time I have to disagree.

I think Shiv did the right thing. Ira was very humiliating towards her DIL in front of a stranger. The words that Shiv said to Saanchi should have indeed come from Ira. Now I know why Saanchi is so spoilt. She was pampered by Ira. I loved Shiv's words, and I respect him for standing by his wife. He apologized to UD for DS's wrong but at the same time he told clearly that Anandi was not in all this. Saanchi was badmouthing DS and Anandi, and everyone was listening to her, and Anandi was by herself, no family to defend her. I am glad Shiv did what he did because indeed Anandi had no part to play in this.

Even I used to criticize Shiv in the past for bowing down to Anandi's wishes all the time, but this time I stand by him.

@SUCHI,

Suchi you must watch the episode. It was very good. Both Sid and Toral were bang on with their expressions and dialogues. Very good acting by both. i also loved Anandi-Ganga and Anandi-Jagiya scenes. Very nicely directed and acted out. No wonder TRP is good.

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