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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: vidyasu1

Deep153.. agree with all your points. I still remember the heartbreak anandi suffered when she emailed Jagya and he was furious with her for learning to use the net. He asked her rudely if learning to use the net meant she had progressed in life. DS promptly locked away the computer. The problem I see in this discussion so far is this: everybody agrees jagya is a slime but there is an impression that he and Gauri are modern as opposed to Anandi who is constantly bashed for being regressive. In my view Jagya is the most regressive, backward person among all the characters. His parents are truly modern -- the way they treat their bahu is just so wonderful to watch. Jagya thinks living in Mumbai and wearing city clothes equals being modern -- that shows how little he has evolved. And this business of lying ( here I refuse to excuse Gowri: It is impossible that her parents will not know about her situation without her actively lying) is so uncool. Jagya is small-minded and uncool no matter how much he tries to be a city-slicker. And being broad-minded is not about living in the city. It is an attitude, a state of mind.

And divmath, please, if you do not mind, I have a request: please (forgive me if I have offended you) try not to use such harsh language against pratyusha. I don't celebrate gowri, nor do i find her cute (more stupid, giggly and silly, actually) but I don't hate her character or the actress. In terms of acting, at least according to me, Pratyusha is head and shoulders above the actor who plays Gowri. Look at how Pratyusha played her illness and contrast it with Gowri-actor's unconvincing portrayal of a typhoid patient. Gowri just didn't look sick. Earlier, the devastation Pratyusha showed when Jagya taunted and tormented her in Mumbai -- was splendid. Her grief was so beautifully expressed. I would request the forum not to bash the actor: she does not deserve it, esp not given how talented she is. Yes when Pratyusha started out, she seemed a shadow of Avika but she has grown into her role -- a role which is very different from the chirpy character Avika played as a child.
Also it is important to understand Anandi: I don't like it when she cries; nor do I like her Jagya jaap but I try to see it from the perspective of her background. Please recall how all hell broke loose when DS learnt of her secretly studying for the tenth. DS went into a HUGE sulk, refused to talk to the family, laid guilt trips on Anandi and her son and DIL. On top of that, there was Jagya being nasty and mean and jealous over Anandi's success. I constantly interact with urban girls from very poor background and their conditioning is very very different. From childhood they are taught that boys are superior; they fast for their brothers without ever asking why the brothers don't fast for them. It is their reality. We may find it unaccetable but they do not know of or want any other life. Let us assume for a moment that Anandi defied DS and went on to study. DS would have thrown Anandi out or else feigned massive hut and made a godawful production of how the family matriarch has been mistreated by her son's family. I can in fact picture DS going on a fast unto death. Basant would have surely crumbled and scolded Anandi and Bhairon for being selfish and hurting DS. If A went to her mother's , her parents would have lectured her about patni dharam. A's mother insisted that she keep her patni dharam by going to mumbai: how will she have pursued her studies in this hostile environment? Of course she could have been defiant but it is simply not as easy as it has been made out.
If A's world is Jagya, she has been taught that from childhood. I am sure she will change, but to expect dramatic change overnight is to be unrealistic. Forget Anandi, educated working urban women breakdown when faced with the unfaithfulness of their husbands. I have friends who have gone into depression unable to accept rejection. Rejection is a horrid, deep wound. Let us give Anandi time to heal instead of abusing her and hating her.
And finally, I once again ask a question that people have neatly by-passed: Why are the CVs showing Gowri-Jagya match? Why couldn't Gowri be just another girl? Weren't J-G tnvolved in a child marriage? The symbolism of the sindoor is precisely to show that they have been previously married. To show that they have not met accidentally but by divine design, because of their past association. And am pretty sure, jagya will use the fact of his childhood marriage with Gowri to buy the consent of DS. It wouldn't mattet to him that in the case of Anandi he had used child marriage as an excuse to dump her. I think this part is the truly regressive part of the serial. Supposedly against child marriage but nonetheless showing that it is sacred: Mind you I think Balika Vadhu is superb in terms of acting -- shashank and Anoop are mind-blowing in the way they can portray the smallest emotions -- in terms of dramatic content and in terms of intellectual engagement. But am not sure of the message.

Yes Anandi loves Jagya a lot and in very heart broken and deppressed but i can see that she has no hopes from J and has started accepting that he has changed a lot. I felt releaved when she told Sumitra that "woh ab nahin ayega, hamaara Jagya Badal gaya hai " cause i feel she is understanding whats happening around her, She is smart enough to understand the fact but sad enoguh to accept it overnight... She needs some time.. She will get over it and we really need her teacher to come back.
And, Phooli has really upset me.. She has kept Anandi in dark for all these years always tellin her J loves u and stuff...She still tells teh same thing even after seeing A falling ill.. I mean what kind of a friend is she???? I wouldn't do that to my best friend... you can wait and observe for sometime but how long???!!! she didn't even try to get more info on whats happening from Lal Singh in these years so that she could save Anandi from this infidelity.. Being an educated girl she has upset me a lot among the characters in BV
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Posted: 14 years ago
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@vidyasu1 : And divmath, please, if you do not mind, I have a request: please (forgive me if I have offended you) try not to use such harsh language against pratyusha. I don't celebrate gowri, nor do i find her cute (more stupid, giggly and silly, actually) but I don't hate her character or the actress. In terms of acting, at least according to me, Pratyusha is head and shoulders above the actor who plays Gowri. Look at how Pratyusha played her illness and contrast it with Gowri-actor's unconvincing portrayal of a typhoid patient. Gowri just didn't look sick. Earlier, the devastation Pratyusha showed when Jagya taunted and tormented her in Mumbai -- was splendid. Her grief was so beautifully expressed. I would request the forum not to bash the actor: she does not deserve it, esp not given how talented she is. Yes when Pratyusha started out, she seemed a shadow of Avika but she has grown into her role -- a role which is very different from the chirpy character Avika played as a child.

First of all why should I take offense? I mean its your POV and its perfectly fine...you mentioned you dont like gauri bcoz she is stupid and giggly, etc, fine its your call...and regarding me not liking pratyusha...that's becoz I dont feel she suits the role of Anandi...where have I used harsh words for the actress and when did I bash? 😲 I just said I dont like her, thats it...now thats totally my opinion, whom I like or dont like...that shouldn't in any way offend anybody here...everyone has their likings and disliking's...and just like how you feel pratyusha is a better actress than anjum...my views are completely opposite...I think anjum is a fantastic actress and I really like her...she is much better than pratyusha in all areas...although I am not a fan of pratyusha I did comment in one of the threads that her painful breakup act was good...but that was it...other than that I cant stand her acting...her acting is plain irritating..(to me) and I am sorry I dont see any talent there except for crying, she just carries one single morose expression 24/7 which is unbearable...and hence I try to fast forward those crying scenes...Anjum on the other hand is playing the part of Gauri to the T...right from her introduction I developed a liking for her...she has a lot of potential...so clearly our views differ and I guess its fine, isnt it...however, please dont accuse me of bashing or using harsh words as I havent done that...and as far as calling Anandi - the character doormat, carpet, dumb and stupid, well I feel she is (just like how you feel gauri is)...Anandi's characterization has grown bad to worse as I see it...so there is no question of offending anybody here or taking offense...unless ofcourse someone tries to pass personal remarks against the members...thats unacceptable because this is a free for all forum and everyone has the right to express their views ! and all views will not match...just as: one might like sharukh khan and another might prefer aamir over sharukh... no big deal...😊
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: pjyo

One thing i don't understand about anandi not continuing studies-She came 1st in 10 after just studying 2 weeks and had a whole press conference after that,then she completed 11th and 12th with whole year to study so logically she should have come 1st in 12th as well..😉So wasn't there another press conference by a bunch of reporters who put the thoughts of further education in her mind..? Didn't bhairav even ask her about higher studies after that,if he can construct a huge hospital for his son why no college for anandi?He said to jagya 'i could get you a flat in mumbai',if so then he could have done it earlier and sent anandi too ,that way she could have studied in mumbai college...🤔
But i guess the CVs just need an uneducated,suffering anandi for TRPs ...

@avyarima-really enjoyed reading your perspective and iam really glad you got that opportunity to go to school👍🏼

Hey, I am sorry i must have missed few episodes but when did Anandi finish 11th and 12th?
I just saw her coming 1st in 10th n the interview with reporters. But, i dont remember getting to know about her 11th n 12th. Please guide in which episodes they show it.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: divmath


@bold - Anandi-Jagya's marriage is very much a 'Child Marriage'...one cannot deny that fact...and their marriage is also "Illegal" ...consummation is not a proof of marriage...one can consummate merely due to physical attraction...it need not be due to love or marriage ! (in my opinion)...hence saying how can Jagya leave Anandi because they have consummated doesn't make sense to me and I dont buy that...

Also, Gauri is wayyy better individual than Anandi in every sense, she went through a lot more hardships than Anandi, but never gave up in life and has done pretty well for herself ! Anandi on the other hand, had everything at her disposal, a very supportive family, she could have easily studied and done something for herself (she was a bright kid in her childhood, chirpy, full of life)...but her penchant for becoming a "mahaan devi" -"sati savitri" "good beendni" doing tyaag balidaan etc etc to please daadisa made her what she is today, I am not saying what she did was wrong, but along with duties for family one should also look at personal progress!... she gave up not one but two golden opportunities, I would partially blame Bhairon too for this, as he should have forced Anandi to study...now she is just a helpless individual who has to rely on her family for everything...she fights for other's but when it comes to her own life she takes on a "bechaari" avatar, and lets not talk about "self respect"...coz she doesnt have even an ounce of it in her...and hence I detest the character Anandi as I just can't relate to her, hence no sympathy, empathy or compassion for her from my end...however I would definitely like to see Anandi become successful and independent one day !...once again this is how I look at it and I am entitled to my opinion...


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Oh please i don't pass personal remarks nor do i judge people from their posts. So no need to pass those "refrain from personal remarks" statements. And btw didn't u too passed a personal remark though very indirectly that people who donot support or understand live-in's are not "broad-minded". This is the one statement that irked me the most. I understand that people have different perspective. different thinking and differnet likings and disliking but calling someone narrow minded because he/she doesnt support your liking isn't it a way too much. And yes i am not one of those who will go and pass personal remarks on the members so no need to accuse me of that. If i was into personal bashing I would have done it long back. How easy it is to say "no personal bashing" and blame the other person for bashing the other members when i clearly didnt bash anyone. Plus i know that no two people can have the same thinking. So i respect everyone's view. There have been times when i have liked the views of Jagat-Gauri supporters . If i was those insensible, immature members of this forum i would have started bashing u all left, right and centre and i understand that it's a fictional show but bashing of Anandi all the time like this is a way too much


And now coming back to the last part of your post
On what level are you judging Gauri and Anandi as "individual" because if it's based on studies then i dont support it. But i would say that Gauri had an upperhand since she was not bounded by those limitations of a beendni, she didnt had to please DS, she didnt had to bear the burden of being a good beendni. I agree that Anandi has had her share of mistakes but bashing her for her crying and on the new promo was too much. I mean what do u want her to do instead of getting shocked and shedding tears. Even i want to see her independent where she can decide what she has to do and what she doesnt want to do and i know that process will be quite gradual. I have been saying that I don't want JAAN to be together anymore, and when i say that i seriously mean it.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Guess, there is no end to this discussion/argument...and also I am in no mood either to clear any misunderstandings...or give justifications...I am here in this forum to share views and discuss about the show and not argue...so I choose to end this conversation...you have your views and I have mine..so I am leaving it at that...have fun !
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Posted: 14 years ago
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ok divmath, truce -- to each her views, and i repeat that i did not mean to offend. But i would only say that what is happening now is definitely not a message against child marriage because if that were the case Gowri would be just another girl and not J's childhood wife. The serial is promoting child marriage -- even gowri agreeing to live-in is really kosher because of the saat pheras already done -- even while pretending to be against it.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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@divmath
yes i agree we should end this conversation right here. That would be much better. You too have fun!!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: redapple1


Thanks. How is Anandi illiterate then? I love your nickname for Jagya, Jagat Maharaj. He has the audacity to call Anandi unpad 😕



LOL thanks...Jagya's audacity knows no bounds...there can be a book written on it by this point I'm sure...The Audacity of Jagat Maharaj😆
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: nureat01



LOL thanks...Jagya's audacity knows no bounds...there can be a book written on it by this point I'm sure...The Audacity of Jagat Maharaj😆

Hey, I am sorry i must have missed few episodes but i am curious to know if Anandi finish 11th and 12th if so then when?
I just saw her coming 1st in 10th n the interview with reporters. But, i dont remember getting to know about her 11th n 12th. Please guide in which episodes they show it.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: deep153134

Hey, I am sorry i must have missed few episodes but when did Anandi finish 11th and 12th?
I just saw her coming 1st in 10th n the interview with reporters. But, i dont remember getting to know about her 11th n 12th. Please guide in which episodes they show it.

They didnt show it, but after the 5 year leap (when jagya became doctor) there was a conversation between sumitra and anandi where she sadly says to anandi " laado, mujhe aur bhi khushi hothi agar yahan jaithser mein college hotha aur tu bhii baarahvi(12th) ke baad padd sakthi" ...
I remember that scene with a lot of anger because the effort the family put in educating their ungrateful son they could have given anandi the same oppurtunity too...🤔
Every girl deserves the same opportunity in life as the guy and a highly educated anandi would have been such a great asset to her village as she truly cares for people around her unlike the self obsessed,stupid jagya...

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