What world do the makers live in? - Page 4

I have been meaning to comment on your post since morning...

This show, or any show in general, for some reason, has been too focused on Blood relations and have been executing it pathetically..

This line

"Ladies, there are enough people out there who love their pets, who are a different species altogether, as much if not more than their biological children."

Very few shows have focused on importance of parvarish over blood relationship... I think Udaariyaan is best example! But the whole idea of aborting is cringe... Proposing that to a woman is worse, and it being proposed by another mother and a woman supporting is worst! But Birlas, as a family, I have heard has all always been about Khoon ka rishta... Manjiri didn't want Arohi to abort for Neil ki Nishani and expects Akshara to do that...chii...

On top of it, such proposals being defend is sad.

Originally posted by: firewings_diya

I can feel happy for any other couple who get back together but women like akshara will not deserve my ounce of sympathy who had no guilt or remorse for what she did with abhi for last 7 years. She was happily gloating her happy family infront of him ab kya hua. Why she is okay to co parent post abhinav's death. Why abhinav being alive was curse to abhimanyu. If abhinav would be alive she would have been that crap women who keeps in laws away from kid in the name of revenge.

Lol akshara herself proposed abhimanyu. Neither abhimanyu forced her nor manjari. Manjari asked akshara to convince abhi to move on. As she has clearly moved on in life. What happened so suddenly that she can't see her friend moving on and decided to propose him knowing that she will never be able to give him the same love as she never did any justice to him in the past. It was pure selfish reason she decided to marry him. Now also she asked abhimanyu kya tum mere bacche ko pyar doge. The lady who said birla's are toxic wants same birla's to accept her kid and hail her deeds.

Lol if we dig deep even abhimanyu trusted akshu when kairav was framed in anisha's murder. But akshara framed him in abhinav's murder. She has seen abhimanyu saving her family, her husband and her kid and she thinks abhimanyu is cold blooded murderer sure akshara enjoy your delusion. Abhimanyu is not like her. He will give up his life but never let anyone to get harmed because of him. Unlike akshara who is framed for multiple frauds, accidents and deaths but still roaming as lawyer.

In the end everyone has their own pov feel free to disagree. Manjari looks much better than akshara. She atleast does everything for abhi. Unlike akshara who was doing piya bawri when her just operated son came back to kasauli and sent him to neelamma's house. 😄

@bold yes she shouldn't get married to Abhimanyu specifically when he is living with toxic Birlas & still not giving back to Manjiri who is controlling his life in pretext of choosing happiness for him. Getting married to Akshara or not seeing their track record should be Abhimanyu's choice not Manjiri's.The way she didn't let Abhimanyu to decide for her and Harsh's fate she shouldn't also interfere in his decisions (again my POV). Akshara should have maintained her dignity but FLs aren't familiar with words called strength & dignity they are only familiar with preaching without implementing.

@rest my perspective is completely different so no point in discussion as none of our perspective will even slightly change.

Originally posted by: ShadowImbue

@bold yes she shouldn't get married to Abhimanyu specifically when he is living with toxic Birlas & still not giving back to Manjiri who is controlling his life in pretext of choosing happiness for him. Getting married to Akshara or not seeing their track record should be Abhimanyu's choice not Manjiri's.The way she didn't let Abhimanyu to decide for her and Harsh's fate she shouldn't also interfere in his decisions (again my POV). Akshara should have maintained her dignity but FLs aren't familiar with words called strength & dignity they are only familiar with preaching without implementing.

@rest my perspective is completely different so no point in discussion as none of our perspective will even slightly change.

Akshara never deserved birla's and mil like manjari. She calls her MAA and questions her parvarish that itself speaks volume how superficial is her words and love is. Being beti she never felt like informing her manju maa her son being alive. Kya hi bole aise ladki ke liye. Atleast manjari does not call her beti and plotting. She is clear abhimanyu is her son. She has lost enough in her life all thanks to akshara now she just needs her son's happiness.

Yes we are free to a disagree here.

Originally posted by: India_TV

i believe that makers have given enough justification forr akshu staying away from her so called family......

abhi's behaviou on WD and after that when akshu called him multiple times to inform about abhir...

lack of support from her family when she returned for mimi's bday...the way manjari was shouting at her, blaming her....

and mainly now....how goenkas have emotionally manipulated her thru abhir (hiding the important info abt how akshu was treated by his dadda and dida)....trying to hide pregnancy so that she gets married....its like pushing her to abhi....

agar abhi yeh haal hai when the baby is abhinav's,.....uss waqt to pakka akshu ko abhi ke ghar ke darwaaze per phenk kar aa jaate yeh goenkas...

So IMO, alshu ka goenkas se door rahna was the best decision.....

My main question is, ...after teh WD, akshu was in a foreign surroundings, miscarried, emotionally physically mentally weak......if goenkas were a family, y could not anyone visit her during that time..or offer to stay with her??? agar unhe koi farak hi nahi padta, to isnt it better she was there on her own??

Rest of the clan is useless. Swarna earlier instead of asking are you happy when Abhir’s truth was out, advised her to consummate. Now again instead of asking what she wants, she is telling to abort!

However, we as viewers have issues with such ridiculous behavior of Goenkas, but Akshara the character has never questioned Goenkas or voiced any displeasure towards them - and its because of that that I find her hiding Abhir’s truth for all those years senseless and unreasonable.

Manjari shouting on Akshara is irrelevant since the divorce. Also, Akshara cannot blame other people for not understanding her when she herself failed to voice her side. Abhimanyu alone didn’t blame her that day. Many people blamed or judged her actions - in extreme grief it’s understandable that people could not think of best ways to put their thoughts across - but did she ever clarify what happened to the family whose happiness she still values over her own? Did she in 6-7 years think even once to tell her beloved family the truth(when she had not even thought of Abhinav as a husband) - that she’s not doing the right thing and taking advantage of a man’s kindness by trapping him in a loveless marriage?

If Manjiri didn’t want her son’s fate to be similar (knowing fully well that he still loves her) - then instead of asking Akshara to abort, had questioned her that would she be willing to give this marriage a fair shot - it would have been better. It would be similar to Akshara’s concern for her unborn child when she quest abhimanyu’s willingness to love the child as his own.

Originally posted by: firewings_diya

yeah all birla bahu's are happy in their life. That shows how good mil manjari is. Even arohi the character who was so bad looks like devi now.

Akshara never deserved birla's and mil like manjari. She calls her MAA and questions her parvarish that itself speaks volume how superficial is her words and love is. Being beti she never felt like informing her manju maa her son being alive. Kya hi bole aise ladki ke liye. Atleast manjari does not call her beti and plotting. She is clear abhimanyu is her son. She has lost enough in her life all thanks to akshara now she just needs her son's happiness.

Yes we are free to a disagree here.

Because they have supported and respected her and that has not been the case with ak she was thrown out badly and also mj called her daughter right where all this went she literally abused that daughter all she need is her son happy fine then she should also except the fact that with ak their is a past that's with nav no one is saying to accept the child but asking to abort is wrong and always this has always been her issue bekar mei apne bete ki haar chize mei control karti rehti hei .she wants her son happy then she should address all this issue to her son and ask him to get married to someone ( i really want him to move on from ak).

Originally posted by: PhoenixRising

@bold - agree that Goenka’s are not good but BP did go twice - once to pick her up and once to visit her after Abhir’s birth(how he couldn’t tell Abhir’s age is definitely a mystery). I would have liked if they had shown doing some background check on the guy and to confirm that Akshara didn’t marry out of the blue under any pressure.

Rest of the clan is useless. Swarna earlier instead of asking are you happy when Abhir’s truth was out, advised her to consummate. Now again instead of asking what she wants, she is telling to abort!

However, we as viewers have issues with such ridiculous behavior of Goenkas, but Akshara the character has never questioned Goenkas or voiced any displeasure towards them - and its because of that that I find her hiding Abhir’s truth for all those years senseless and unreasonable.

Manjari shouting on Akshara is irrelevant since the divorce. Also, Akshara cannot blame other people for not understanding her when she herself failed to voice her side. Abhimanyu alone didn’t blame her that day. Many people blamed or judged her actions - in extreme grief it’s understandable that people could not think of best ways to put their thoughts across - but did she ever clarify what happened to the family whose happiness she still values over her own? Did she in 6-7 years think even once to tell her beloved family the truth(when she had not even thought of Abhinav as a husband) - that she’s not doing the right thing and taking advantage of a man’s kindness by trapping him in a loveless marriage?

If Manjiri didn’t want her son’s fate to be similar (knowing fully well that he still loves her) - then instead of asking Akshara to abort, had questioned her that would she be willing to give this marriage a fair shot - it would have been better. It would be similar to Akshara’s concern for her unborn child when she quest abhimanyu’s willingness to love the child as his own.

Good that u agree that goenkas are a pathetic family…😃and Akshu was not wrong in not coming back to her fanily that time!!

@bold… Akshu DID NOT TRAP Accha aadmi.., she laid the facts… straight and clear….it was his decision to accept the proposal! And he did…

@blue… again my main question… y does manjari not TALK TO HER SON!!! Y trouble Akshu…. Jao apne bete se Poocho , condition rakho… kasam lo etc etc…. Y TROUBLE AKSHU!!!

The makers are living in a world called TRP's. Only drama - intense horrible shouting swearing is what people in india want to see when they open their TV. When drama stops, TRP drops - production houses get warnings from the channel and then all of a sudden drama will start again.

DKP and other production houses have no connection with real world, if you ask them they might not be supporting even a single percent of what they are showing but this is a business they need to run so it is in our hands whether or not to watch such crap for our entertainment.

My suggestion - do not watch such toxic and hopeless shows, for real entertainment - go for OTT content which atleast have decent story and are much better source of entertainment that they shitty ideas coming out of DKP and blah blah blah...There is no point at all discussing this because this is what a majority of people like in the name of entertainment - horrible saas bechari bahu - majboor pati - begairad maike wale!!!!

The lack of respect for women and motherhood on this show is no longer shocking to me.

It's true that ITV is regressive and toxic. It won't change because we as viewer we keep watching. If we keeping watching then there is no reason for channels to show progressive content. All that matters at the end of the day is money, which they make with regressive content.

This is an ITV show and from my understanding not responsible for teaching people right from wrong. Indian families are seeing a lot of new things like divorce and remarriage these days. I am not saying they didn't exist before, just that they were a lot less common. So this issue of a child from a previous relationship is a very interesting one, cause that's just not a part of the well known family structure.

In the west if you remarry and the other person has children from a previous relationship you don't immediately consider them your own. That's not natural or encouraged. What you do is form your own bond and eventually adopt them. They and you know what the relationship is and are comfortable with it. Kind of similar to Abhi-Ruhi relationship, where the boundaries are setup very clearly. She calls him poppy, not papa. Her dad is dead and she respects that, along with treating Abhi as a father figure. But the difference in how Abhi treats her vs how Arohi treats her is clear. Arohi has more rights and at the end of the day Abhi has to agree with her for any decisions regarding Ruhi. She has the final say and can even take Ruhi away from Abhi if she wants to.

But Ak has either not understood this concept or doesn't want it for her kids. What she wants is a traditional family unit. That was her reason for marrying Abhinav and now her reason for marrying Abhi. Obviously this is not ok. This is a regressive thought process. But the fact is that the show is not calling it out. The show is accepting all thought processes and showing them. Arohi chose to be a single mother, Ak didn't. Who is right, who is wrong, we can discuss, but the show doesn't pass the judgement on that.

Similarly, for the abortion issue, the show is not passing any judgements here. What they are talking about is everyone's POVs. If you want a traditional family unit, yes in this case, abortion is the best option for Ak. However she is not going to do that, so it will force her and the rest of the people to move forward with an unusual family structure. That's what Anand was talking about.

As to blood and stuff, I don't personally believe in it. If you officially adopt a kid then there is no difference between that kid and your dna kid. But that doesn't mean that the stuff Manjari was talking about isn't true. The dna connection shows up in similar tastes and habits and stuff. That doesn't mean you love the child less though, but I think she meant more that you feel a deeper connection because of those things which is missing in an adopted kid. There are other things in an adopted kid though, like they will still take up your habits just by watching you and stuff.

In general the issue isn't about whether Abhi will be able to love a kid he is not related to, but if he will ever get love from Ak, because she will never move on due to the kid. Do people move on in real life with kids from their dead partners, yes they do. But usually that takes a lot of time, and usually one would not choose to get married right away. They would take time after a partner's death to grieve and process and move on, after which they are ready to fall in love and be in a new relationship.