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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Pooja_Chavan

I have almost finished reading all the posts here and I'm surprised to know that Raman is being primarily held responsible for not getting physically intimate with Ishita! If I'm not mistaken it is the same Raman who had been labelled as DESPO in the forum again and again because he couldn't resist his sex drive. From last seven to eight months, Raman mostly had one thing in his mind and one thing to do on the show other than shouting and barking at his wife---how to find a way to romance with his biwi. It was Ishita who always shied away and the reason behind Ishita's reluctance was termed as the results of her insecurities from the past.

completely agree with you,raman is trying to get intimate with Ishita from many months now
but ishita backed off due to other priorities.
here people putting blame on raman is hilarious
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Brilliant post Aani 👏

Don't have anything to add more as you have written everything and explained it perfectly.. Thanks for this post a much needed as i see so much bashing of ishita..which i really don't understand why some ppl always behind her 😕 anyway loved your post 😳
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: EkPaheli

And the last barb about Raman not wanting her as a woman...that was in a way bang on too...


Are you serious?
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Posted: 10 years ago
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this is hilarious😆 from last 5 months he is desiring his neighbour or what ?
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Good write up!! I liked yesterday's episode and i felt shagun was tge right person to do it!! Both ishita and raman are too confortable with the status quo of their relationship they both talk about taking it forward but have never actually tried to make it a successful attempt whenever they have tried to do it the attempt wasnt a success i agree but then they stop trying and wait for the right time which in my opinion highlights their complecency so they both needed to be shaken up and who better than shagun to do it for ishita!! Ashok is gonna be the one for raman and he is also the right person to do it for raman!!
I often feel that ishra both consider each other too fortunate that they have each other's company and support wherein their emotional needs are getting fulfilled but physical needs are also equally important is what they need to understand thats y ishita telling doc that they are best friends is not surprising as they have always been friends first and then lovers!! For them to get the closure as lovers they need to be desperate to have each other and do the deed!! This track cvs have rightly brought in to justify their consummation is lovemaking and not baby making because it stems from ishita's insecurities of her husband not desiring her as a woman and trying to woo him by going out of her character and raman's insecurities about ishita turning out to be another shagun; the though which probably ashok is gonna put in his mind in today's episode and what follows next in the party and being territorial and protective about her!!
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Posted: 10 years ago
#56

Originally posted by: -Nidoo-

RES (Will update in the morning)

Btw Aani, Super Awesome title! 🤣

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Great write-up, Aani! 👏 I agree with a lot of points!

Thanks Nidoo

A lot of people have a problem with Ishita mentioning to the doctor that she and Raman are just friends, but the way I look at it, this is not what she told her, I mean literally yes, but she did not mean it in the platonic sense. The core of her statement was not the 'friends' bit, but the 'skipped parts' bit, where she says that they were married in unusual circumstances, now they're best friends and have great understanding, but from there to here, they 'skipped a few steps in between and didn't realize the importance'. That to me was the crux of the message.

Exactly, the doctor was subtly telling her to start having sex and in a way prodding her on about why they have not done it yet and what is the woman supposed to do, start with the history lessons here...the friends bit to me was her saying that they have no problems between them, usually when couples start these kinda treatments they both go for all the appointments but Ishita was alone here and yes, it was her decision to not ask Raman since he already has his plate full but to the doctor it would be giving a different impression right?

Yes, Ishita needed a jolt, a 440V worth of shock to come out of the daily humdrum of life and realize there's more to marriage than just being in love and sharing responsibilities. And who better to show her the mirror, but the woman who has been intimate with Raman in the past, because only she actually knows about his physical desires. Yes, Shagun has taunted Ishita previously, but not to this extent, taking the narrative to her bedroom and embarrassment and back. I for one, absolutely loved the snark Shagun threw at Ishita. It was a great scene building up, until Shagun voiced out the reasons for doing so in her head, and THAT is the moment I instantly disconnected and felt disgusted. Shagun taunting Ishita on her sex life because she wants IshRa to be together and do it, is just indigestible. So for the rest of the plot, I'll choose to ignore her newly formed noble intentions because honestly, I find them way out of context and character.

Ishita's reaction was for most part, normal, and absolutely expected. All the previous times she has been taunted by Shagun for her physical relationship with Raman, there was no attempt made to consummate yet (Before Holi + Kid-swapping intimacy + Earthquake). Plus there was no constant baby talk. I don't think Ishita thought of it at a deep level, back then. But yesterday, she was already in the middle of wondering out how to take her marriage ahead and she gets to hear about how her husband couldn't keep his hands off his ex-wife, how they used to be locked in the bedroom, and the woman in her was shaken to the core of her being. She has never felt desired, wanted, except maybe for Holi. Even then, his premise was that both his kids are now with him, and therefore, he wants to take the relationship ahead. What if Adi wasn't to come to him for the next 5 years? Wouldn't he have taken that step for 5 years then?


Exactly Nidoo, Ishita has been taunted earlier by Shagun too many times once very explicitly when she was screaming it out on the road, but then the situations were different. The first time Shagun taunted Ishita, that comes to my mind, it led to the rain dance, for a woman it was a moment that I suppose came with mixed feelings, yes she was happy her husband made her feel beautiful and wanted, but he did it on the heels of the taunts that came there way, on the heels of his past being dished out as juicy gossip but in reality meant to make mockery...should that not make Ishita feel hurt somewhere, that prior to this event Raman had not made such a move towards her. And the holi words, about Adi, I swear I was aghast hearing that, like why do you need your son under your roof man to make love to your wife, I really cant get it till date, the idea is too twisted to be wrapped around my head.

Wanting your child with you is not a crime but the stipulation of wanting him and only then making love to your wife is beyond my comprehension, like you said if Adi had not came to him would Raman not have progressed ?



I think that Raman needs to be given a similar jolt. He also needs to realize that their consummation is not just about making babies. They need to do it primarily because he desires her, and then the baby talk can come. He too, needs to be shaken to the core. I feel that Ashok's words would be that trigger tomorrow, but can't say much before the episode airs.

I have the same feeling about Ashok' words too but like you said lets wait and watch before we make a comment😳

Despite all the irrationalities, there's one thing that I want to applaud the CVs for, that they attempted to bring to light the need of a sexual relationship between a married couple for what it is.


Exactly, I know we didnt really want to see Ishita being hurt so, but in a way the talk was needed and for a show on primetime to do that it is commendable, we see almost everything under the sun possible, even the impossible in our shows but mention the S word and they scram as if hounds from hell have been released on them, so its refreshing for a show to highlight the need of sex, the importance of it in a marriage and how it is detrimental to one if a couple doesnt really share intimacy despite being in love, because ultimately like Shagun said, love has to be expressed beyond words too and sex is a way for couples to bond and express that love. Its the expression of love that involves a person to share themselves in the entirety with another individual and if that isnt special I dont know what is, that is the only things that seperates a couple from the rest, we love our friends and family - we hug them and cry on their shoulders, yes there is kissing involved too...of the peck on the cheek and on the forehead kind there, but this is the relationship where there are virtually no barriers, nothing is off limits - you share with your partner what you can share with no one.


They also attempted to show a woman's insecurities in the physical department, where the actual word 'insecurity' was used (by Mihika). I don't think any show before YHM has portrayed the concept with this clarity at all, esp. in this time-slot. So a good job done there 👏 👏 Now if they just let Shagun justify her deeds with the evilness in her, it'd be much better.

You know that is what I loved about this track the most, they are highlighting a woman' need to be intimate too - her wish to feel desired and wanted by her husband, the man she is in love with. Yes, a woman wants respect and love and she wants someone who would stand tall in the face of things for her, recently Raman took the steps he did when his siblings, even his father insulted Ishita, yes he has done what every woman would want her husband to do in such an event, he has been the husband a woman would want to have and while all of that is true, it is also true that being a husband and wife goes beyond sharing responsibilities and defending and protecting each other - its also about making your partner feel good about themselves, its about having that someone who you can share yourself with not just on a mental and emotional level but a sexual one as well.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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@Aani that's a great post 😛 Loved everything u have written there.
I was very very upset that Shagun was the one to say those things and belittle Ishita like that once again. I was not very happy with the episode because of that either. Even ranted on insta 😕
But I loved ur post and re watched the episode.
I agree with everything u have said there. Raman and Ishita both need this jolt badly.

I just cannot accept this Shagun they are trying to show us.
And as much as I agree that someone had to do this and push Ishra to the wall and tell them these things. I also feel that CVs have made Shavun that person not only because she is the one who had the power to hurt her but also because this is about showing her in a good light which I hate.
The upcoming dance could have been a really nice track after what we saw yesterday, but once again I feel Ashok , Raman that lady everyone is used in a sick way only so Shagun the saviour can be shown in this new postive light.
I wish instead they had shown an intense sequence. I really really hope these two have heart to heart talk before they move ahead now. I read there is some romantic sequence or so, also read that they have a hm track planned so I don't know what's true and how long they will drag this but I really wish to see them talk and actually confess...straight from the heart. It's because they both love each so much and not for kids. I hope we get this.
Loved the comments by @Aru @Anu @Onepiece and some more others.
👏 👏
PS I'm sorry if I have made this about a Shagun rant instead of Ishra. Plzz tell me if so
I'll edit my comment 😊
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Posted: 10 years ago
#58

Originally posted by: -Gan-

Aani you kept my request and so I tried to make myself sit and watch the episode... But somehow I just couldn't ...

Hey Gan, no issues with that. We all have our own likes and dislikes. 😊😳

I understand that Ishita needed a wake up call or a nudge in the right direction or a mirror to reflect how abnormal their sexual life is as a couple in love... But the fact that that messenger is Shagun is too much of a disconnect for me... I would have loved had it come from Vandita as elder sisters are usually the guide in such matter considering the fact that vandu knows about their status quo and seems to enjoy a healthy intimacy level with Bala
. My disconnect is with the messenger, not the message. Our expectation about the behaviour pattern of a character is based on the history of that character as shown by the story. Shagun's positive change has no meaning, no build up into it... Like we all complained about the precap from last Sat about how Shagun knew..everyone is ok with the Cvs touching upon that today .. Because it sets the backdrop of a character's behaviour that fits. Grey to dark to benevolent Shagun is still a disconnect. And till that is there . Anything she does will draw sneer... Which is not my style of enjoying a serial.. Yes snark posts once in a while is ok... But this daily feeling of uninspiring storyline is not a good feeling as an audience... So I'll wait till the story gets interesting , and Shagun's presence in the storyline makes sense.

I understand your POV and respect it Gan, yeah a talk between sisters could have also been the way to go about things but the way I see it here, they have already talked - remember when they came from Mumbai, Vandu asked her what happened and all...the thing is I have noticed that aside from that one scene whenever the sisters have talked even Vandu has made reference to one point - BABY- be it when she came that night when Ishita decorated the room, last night or even before - the ball started rolling in fact when Ruhi overheard Bala Vandu say that IshRa should try for a baby.

What I see here is - in the inference of things while everyone was talking about the destination, no one was thinking of the journey. Barring from that scene where Toshiji gave that nighty to Ishita no one talked about a couple sharing some intimate time for themselves and not for the purpose of baby making.

What Shagun did last night as per me was raise the question of the journey - she asked Ishita straight on how are you supposed to have a baby if you dont have sex with your husband?

While everyone has been harping on about have a baby, Shagun said have sex - she spoke about how would you get from point A to point B while everyone is just saying get to point B...that made it seem like establish a sex life to have a baby not the other way around as it should be, have sex before you plan a baby, establish your sex life before you delve into something so big and life altering. Therein lies the difference to me.

Shagun might not be the messenger we all expected - but then again as an outsider she said what even family dint - perhaps because as an outsider, she wasnt considerate of Ishita' feelings though she did feel sorry to have hurt her, but she said something that was being not talked about by anyone. That have sex to pleasure your husband, to express how you feel for him. She stated how Raman is a very sexually active man or was once, something Vandu or Mihika or even Toshi, Simi could not have said. Shagun made sure Ishita knew about that side of the man, the one that she may have seen glimpses of but not known in the entirety. She was the third party in this entire scene to me - you know, how we sometimes want someone neutral who has no ties to A or B to hear things out and then give their opinion, everyone who is close to IshRa is so invested in them, that they are thinking that they should have a baby and are egging Ishita on but what no one seems to be talking about is what kinda sex life they share, if they have one at all.

Having said that ... Your post is excellent as you delved into all those moments where Ishita has shown willingness ... And also how you explained the situation from Ishita's vantage point. I wish the Cvs follow up on the track that they are laying.. Because we all know how they lose steam midway .. That has been the expected behavior Since the introduction of Mani track. I truly hope they do... I truly connected with the story ...in spite of all the inconsistencies... But as this is sort of reaching full circle in the journey... And this feeling of disconnect is troubling me.


Thanks a lot and I hope the track connects with you again soon since I am missing your posts and collages and also that CVs dont lose the focus of this track which they have got the hold on correctly if yesterday is to go by as per me - since they raised the S word at last instead of the B

Wonderful post Aani ! Thanks for posting it as a stand alone as sometimes posts like these need to feature on the 1st page but unfortunately get ignored as they are buried in some 100+ page .

Take a bow! 👏


☺️ thank you 😊

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Annthew

Thanks, u hav indeed gone into details. It's nice to read the other side of the coin too. Could agree with u on many points. I felt that when the Doc questioned her about 'it' she was too embarrassed that they haven't done it yet that she tired to give some lame excuse like being just frnds etc, & Shagun words about Raman's past libido has indeed hurt the women in her. So let the fireworks begin. Bring it on Isitha - -



tahnks Annthew and yeah the doc' questions did embarrass her because what explaination could be offered for those questions right, so she just said something ambigious which came to her mind. And Raman' libido had to be mentioned since that is needed right now 😆
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Veeann

Haven't seen the epi, but your commentary is food for thought.

👏 👏


Hope to hear from ya once you do see it Vee 😊

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