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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: shalz_123



Damn we tried...alas no one wants to fight here...

But I can see chances of puttar fight thou here...

Saw new claims ( u wish maya 😆 )


I am heartbroken Gan and Shalz ! I so wanted to enhance my shoe collection ! Was waiting for some louboutins and choos ! Why are people so civilized on this thread ?😭

And as for new claims on puttar ! In your dreams gals ! Wait for doc to join the fray and all are goners !
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: beckysharp



I am heartbroken Gan and Shalz ! I so wanted to enhance my shoe collection ! Was waiting for some louboutins and choos ! Why are people so civilized on this thread ?😭

And as for new claims on puttar ! In your dreams gals ! Wait for doc to join the fray and all are goners !



M prty sure the sizes wudnt hve fit me anyway...

Dream or not..the custody is null n void...I can again go lawyery if u want ash 😆
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: beckysharp


See Shalz, I don't know whether she put the nanny cam on her own or at the behest of Vandu... But she did put it and it is wrong ! It is an absolute invasion of privacy...

Being guilty or not is also not the point... My point is how much does she hv to prove herself !

She is reacting in this way because she was lied to, plus she knows adi is an easily influenced child .. it is stupid of her yes, but it was not meant to have a malicious intent !




Just to butt in here - I don't think anyone here feels Ishita had any malicious intent. Most people have said they understand her need to protect Adi, but we are disagreeing with the approach. To me (prior to reading the other comments on this thread) it wasn't about proving herself, it was just a mistake she made & should live up to.

In the end Ishita's actions are still justified her, but the fact is the CCTV was a bit much. If you look at it Raman was trying to protect his son during the child swap, but his actions of hiding the paper weren't as justified. He came off as cruel & heartless, but here that is not the case. Ishita is acting out of her need to protect & she went with a knee jerk reaction of using the CCTV.

For both of them, it's a case of good intentions gone wrong.

I am holding off on commenting fully on Raman's words bc if it wasn't for the OLV & Precap...it wouldn't be a part of the convo yet. Right now the main issue for me is the parenting approach. On Monday it will be what it means to be a mother/step-mother, and the potentially icky message that is being conveyed.

It's so unfortunate that bc they can't show a proper conversation or conclusion to things like this...it always shows that the Bhallas, especially Raman, don't deserve Ishita & take advantage of her. I am not talking about this track bc it's not over yet, but I'm talking about what we have seen since 2015 started. Never would I have imagined this would be the case, but we are constantly brought to the reality that in anger Raman hurts Ishita like Subbu, Shagun, & Subbu's mom did & the Bhallas turn her into a stranger so quickly even after a year with her. I don't get why this has to be shown all the time bc the Bhallas aren't bad people but these flaws appear to overshadow the goodness for many viewers.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: shalz_123



Prabh, if I remember correctly u r15 yr old. I m amazed st the levelof your mature thinking.

I logged in from my phone just to applaud. That u explained do bbeautifully. I hve no words. Specially when I see msnu grown ups at times showing nt a bit maturity n rationality.

Its true that anyone at any age csn teach u. I truly m at a loss of words. Will get back later.

You're right, I'm 15. And really I'm glad I got the point I was trying to make across. I was nervous to write this up because I was worried it would seem like immature rambling, but am glad you found it to make sense! Really thank you!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: -K.13-



Seriously - I'm going to jump on what Shalz said...Prabh, you should join in discussions more bc you bring such a good angle to this. Indu touched on how Raman's words stem from his insecurities of being left by his loved ones - so he goes on the offensive.

Just because we try to understand his words doesn't make them right, but it is only fair to give both leads delicacy in analysis. After reading this, you have added another layer of depth to my understanding.

If people have noticed - Raman lashes out like this only when it comes to Adi. It is no longer because he's blind in Adi's love, but I think we never saw such an exchange for Ruhi bc in his mind Ruhi has no mother but Ishita. Ruhi & Ishita share a bond that transcends labels, but the bond between Adi & Ishita will always be different. I think Ishita realizes that too, which is why in her insecurity she has gone into over-protective parent mode. I want Raman to slowly become the bridge between Adi & Ishita like Ishita was for Raman & Ruhi.

But I digress...I just wanted to say, beautiful write up, Prabh! 👏


i sometimes drop by this thread because it really is an unbiased thread that looks at almost all angles of the characters and their POV. And I have often wanted to comment here, but back off in nervousness. But I will for sure try and often add my little opinion sometimes.

For sure I agree Raman's words aren't justified, but I was trying to see what could possible push the man who called Ishita the best mother for his children to saying she isn't a mother at all. And I didn't know someone has already mentioned this before.

And about your point about Raman only acting like this with Adi. I feel this also adds to Ishita's over protectiveness because to her, it goes from only raising her son properly to not failing in the eyes of her husband whose son is so important to him and whose parenting he doesn't want to compromise in or lose the connection they are trying to find after so long.

And I agree with what your saying and it would be wonderful to see Raman bridging this gap between Ishita and Adi. But with what I've seen so far, it seems like Raman's behaviour is only going to push them apart. Their bonding has hardly started and with Raman acting as the "good/cool" parent who keeps secrets from Ishita who is playing bad cop is only going to make Adi run away from Ishita to Raman.

And thank you for liking what I wrote!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: smilesforever98



i sometimes drop by this thread because it really is an unbiased thread that looks at almost all angles of the characters and their POV. And I have often wanted to comment here, but back off in nervousness. But I will for sure try and often add my little opinion sometimes.

For sure I agree Raman's words aren't justified, but I was trying to see what could possible push the man who called Ishita the best mother for his children to saying she isn't a mother at all. And I didn't know someone has already mentioned this before.

And about your point about Raman only acting like this with Adi. I feel this also adds to Ishita's over protectiveness because to her, it goes from only raising her son properly to not failing in the eyes of her husband whose son is so important to him and whose parenting he doesn't want to compromise in or lose the connection they are trying to find after so long.

And I agree with what your saying and it would be wonderful to see Raman bridging this gap between Ishita and Adi. But with what I've seen so far, it seems like Raman's behaviour is only going to push them apart. Their bonding has hardly started and with Raman acting as the "good/cool" parent who keeps secrets from Ishita who is playing bad cop is only going to make Adi run away from Ishita to Raman.

And thank you for liking what I wrote!


If you have time, you should comment more bc this thread is our safe haven. We love & complain about all characters! Gan does a great job of moderating discussion and keeping it from getting too crazy! 😃

Indu had mentioned a different angle in Friday's thread, but you did a great job of relating it to their identity as parents. You brought in a fresh POV for at least me. For Raman the insecurity as a father is more subtle, but it does tie to his very core character - he was left by his first wife & son because he failed as a provider in their eyes. Now he feels driven to be the provider & father that he thinks society expects of him.

It's so funny to see what a web there is that actually explains their parallel parenting actions. Raman okayed a party which Ishita disagreed with. Adi got in trouble - hence one hit to Raman. Adi also apologized bc he understood he was wrong. Ishita scolded Adi in front of his friends. Raman then wanting to keep a barrier from forming, secretly set up a study day for Adi-Vinnie. Then because of this secret & Raman's light approach to Adi, we see Ishita installing a camera without consulting Raman.

Because both Raman & Ishita are trying to prove themselves as parents - they are acting independently. The lesson for the parenting part of this track is that parenting is a team sport that needs open communication

However in all of this, what does Adi feel? Is this an open parent-child relationship? What does Adi actually need?

There is no manual for parenting & mistakes are bound to happen.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: smilesforever98


For sure I agree Raman's words aren't justified, but I was trying to see what could possible push the man who called Ishita the best mother for his children to saying she isn't a mother at all. And I didn't know someone has already mentioned this before.

And about your point about Raman only acting like this with Adi. I feel this also adds to Ishita's over protectiveness because to her, it goes from only raising her son properly to not failing in the eyes of her husband whose son is so important to him and whose parenting he doesn't want to compromise in or lose the connection they are trying to find after so long.

And I agree with what your saying and it would be wonderful to see Raman bridging this gap between Ishita and Adi. But with what I've seen so far, it seems like Raman's behaviour is only going to push them apart. Their bonding has hardly started and with Raman acting as the "good/cool" parent who keeps secrets from Ishita who is playing bad cop is only going to make Adi run away from Ishita to Raman.

And thank you for liking what I wrote!


Prabh, Just wanted to join in with Shalz and Krishy to applaud you on the level of maturity and clarity in your thinking. Really well written analysis. Like Krishy mentioned, it gives a whole new dimension to the characters and their actions.

@bold - Well said..it makes so much sense when you put it that way.

Gan, its really a pleasure to read through all the posts in your thread, there are some amazingly talented and perceptive people out here putting forth their unique and unbiased views and perspectives. Not to mention the war for Puttar going on here..poor lucky Puttar!! 😆

Vee, Lucknowi kurthas are one of my favorite kinds and I really loved Ishita's salwar kameez too! Her Lucknowi sets are so much better than her collection of jazzy sarees!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: -K.13-



Just to butt in here - I don't think anyone here feels Ishita had any malicious intent. Most people have said they understand her need to protect Adi, but we are disagreeing with the approach. To me (prior to reading the other comments on this thread) it wasn't about proving herself, it was just a mistake she made & should live up to.

In the end Ishita's actions are still justified her, but the fact is the CCTV was a bit much. If you look at it Raman was trying to protect his son during the child swap, but his actions of hiding the paper weren't as justified. He came off as cruel & heartless, but here that is not the case. Ishita is acting out of her need to protect & she went with a knee jerk reaction of using the CCTV.

For both of them, it's a case of good intentions gone wrong.

I am holding off on commenting fully on Raman's words bc if it wasn't for the OLV & Precap...it wouldn't be a part of the convo yet. Right now the main issue for me is the parenting approach. On Monday it will be what it means to be a mother/step-mother, and the potentially icky message that is being conveyed.

It's so unfortunate that bc they can't show a proper conversation or conclusion to things like this...it always shows that the Bhallas, especially Raman, don't deserve Ishita & take advantage of her. I am not talking about this track bc it's not over yet, but I'm talking about what we have seen since 2015 started. Never would I have imagined this would be the case, but we are constantly brought to the reality that in anger Raman hurts Ishita like Subbu, Shagun, & Subbu's mom did & the Bhallas turn her into a stranger so quickly even after a year with her. I don't get why this has to be shown all the time bc the Bhallas aren't bad people but these flaws appear to overshadow the goodness for many viewers.

Hi Krishy,
Once again, I want to get it out of the way that I am not defending Ishita's actions at all... Ishita is very very wrong to spy on Adi through the nanny cam...
My only issue has always been the raucous baying for Ishita's blood after every episode ... If we give the benefit of doubt to Raman why is it so difficult for us to extend the same to Ishita ?
What is getting my goat in the recent episodes, is the fact that Raman chose to lie to his wife, to send her out of the house... so that Adi and Vinnie could work on their project ...
Can you imagine the message going out to a 12 year old ? That Ishita is inconsequential. So what if your step mother objects to her presence and your friendship ... I will be by your side ... you want to bring this girl to our house ? absolutely fine, go ahead ... I will handle the matter ...
Adi, being the normal teenager, this would be like manna from heaven right ? He has a father willing to lie to the woman, who is his step mother and who is being discounted/ whose authority is being undermined, by him, the biological parent. So next time, ishita wants to discipline him, what is the end result ? Is Aditya going to respect / listen to Ishita ?
If I were in Aditya's place, I would have manipulated the situation to my best advantage, and I have believe you me. If you know your parent's weak point, rest assured, you will know how to get your own way. Especially when you realize that you are their weakness and they will do anything to make you happy.
I am happy that Raman wants to keep the line of communication open with Adi. And I dislike the fact that Ishita is spying on him. But does it absolve Raman from his shenanigans ?
Everyone is agreeing that both the parents are wrong ... but has anyone thought about the consequences of Raman's actions ? Why isn't anyone baying for Raman's blood may I ask ? Because everyone is busy baying for Ishita's 😛
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: beckysharp

Hi Krishy,
Once again, I want to get it out of the way that I am not defending Ishita's actions at all... Ishita is very very wrong to spy on Adi through the nanny cam...
My only issue has always been the raucous baying for Ishita's blood after every episode ... If we give the benefit of doubt to Raman why is it so difficult for us to extend the same to Ishita ?
What is getting my goat in the recent episodes, is the fact that Raman chose to lie to his wife, to send her out of the house... so that Adi and Vinnie could work on their project ...
Can you imagine the message going out to a 12 year old ? That Ishita is inconsequential. So what if your step mother objects to her presence and your friendship ... I will be by your side ... you want to bring this girl to our house ? absolutely fine, go ahead ... I will handle the matter ...
Adi, being the normal teenager, this would be like manna from heaven right ? He has a father willing to lie to the woman, who is his step mother and who is being discounted/ whose authority is being undermined, by him, the biological parent. So next time, ishita wants to discipline him, what is the end result ? Is Aditya going to respect / listen to Ishita ?
If I were in Aditya's place, I would have manipulated the situation to my best advantage, and I have believe you me. If you know your parent's weak point, rest assured, you will know how to get your own way. Especially when you realize that you are their weakness and they will do anything to make you happy.
I am happy that Raman wants to keep the line of communication open with Adi. And I dislike the fact that Ishita is spying on him. But does it absolve Raman from his shenanigans ?
Everyone is agreeing that both the parents are wrong ... but has anyone thought about the consequences of Raman's actions ? Why isn't anyone baying for Raman's blood may I ask ? Because everyone is busy baying for Ishita's 😛


Becky, exactly my grouse too. What has Raman done? he told the investor- that my son never lies, then he said Adi is not at home. his lies started there itself. then he did not talk to Adi about the fake call, he just left it at that. Then he lied to ishita and played a game with her - this will instigate Adi to do as he pleases and not bother about ishita for anything in future. Then the girl Vinni she has lied to her father and come over to Bhallas. As far as ishita can see, it is just a web of lies that is being spun and if not nipped in the bud, will spiral out of control. This cud impact Raman's business, plus Adi seems easily manipulated- first it was Shagun now it is vinnie...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I'm hearing the term 'baying for blood' if it is wrt this thread.. I have to say that's a very harsh tag on the people who are criticizing Ishita's actions.. I don't know about the forum but I read every single post in this thread and no one has been baying for Ishita's blood or Raman's blood .. What they have done is expressed their honest opinion about what they feel... And most have said that both are at fault.. One for snooping .. The other for yelling and both for not having a discussion and working as a team when it comes to parenting .
Let's keep the debate about what's it's about without labeling others responses.. As that leads to feelings getting hurt.

No offense meant.. Just trying to keep it about the debate. 😃

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