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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: Anuhyaa



lol It deosn't seem like Ishita,if you put it that way...
but I guess, it can be Ishita when it is her children we are talking about... but even then that it's definitely OTT ...

but for a change Iam liking the fact that she has different emotions other than forgiving everybody...😆

@blue - Now if you say it that way, I feel a little better about it😛
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Posted: 10 years ago
Missed a lot of discussions today but couldnt hold myself back from getting here and lending my two cents worth, only I got delayed because I was clearing the obstacle course that is my room 😆

Watching the OLV I was also of the opinion that Ishita is going a little too far in her protectiveness for Adi and taking the thing of being a helicopter mom to a whole new level but somehow as I sat down later to think and saw the episode in the evening, my opinion changed especially due to the precap that we already knew of courtesy the OLV's


While I am not promoting or applauding Ishita' decision, I do think I see where she is coming from and this post may be considered as in defence of her, while I play the devil' advocate, then so be it...

In the precap what Raman said, its the truth - god' honest truth and you can make it out that the moment it hit him what he said, he regrets it that is why his "Go" is not as loud as his "Dafa ho jao" was, somewhere in his heart he knows Ishita would never harm Adi, but being who he is, he lost his temper and basically said whatever came to him.

But his words are Ishita' biggest fear and her deepest pain all rolled into one - that she is not a mother - not a biological one at least, even if she loves the children of the man she loves as if they were her own flesh and blood, she could lay down her life for them and almost did too, and yet it would never be enough - cause nothing can change the simple truth and the true fact that she has no blood ties to them and so no matter what she does this one thing - You didnt give birth to them - can always be used to hit her and is, it varies from time to time who says the words, uses them but they are used and they do hurt - only she lets on the hurt when someone close to her says them as we see in the precap - when Shagun and Subbu taunted her, Ishita doesnt react, she knows that they mean to hurt her and that is why she doesnt take their words to the heart cause in the end they dont matter to her but Raman does and so do his words which is why she is almost in tears at the very moment he says she isnt Adi' mother...

When I say not being a biological mom is her deepest pain - its self-explanatory, I dont need to elaborate on it but I do need to when I say its also her biggest fear.


Ishita in her protectiveness and concern for Adi, a child who has an unfortunate history of being impulsive, self-destructive and also very fragile emotionally, made her decide to put on the spycam in his room; and the newspaper article might be the catalyst that made her do it - it is not entirely the reason she has become so weary when it comes to Adi...Like we know he has a history of doing things, and while he may be now certified by his counsellor as healthier than before mentally, it is also true that Adi has been through a trauma post that certification - namely having his life endangered due to an explosion, an earthquake and the trauma of being abandoned by his mother when he could have died...and couple that with his odd behavior which started since he is attending the science class he joined, that got him partying with friends who caused police to come to his home and his hiding things from Ishita, learning he impersonates his dad while talking to his friend' parents on the phone...it becomes a whole lotta mess...

In the light of recent events, in this age where anyone can be easily influenced, should their parents become careless towards them, Adi can end up back to his self-destructive ways, which I suppose scares Ishita a lot as a mother.

Remember, she has tried to get Raman to talk to him and while Raman is right in his own way that after a certain point you cannot treat your kid as a child, he comes across as too lenient with Adi and the biggest bone of contention is he and Ishita DONT have a heart to heart about how to deal with Adi, Raman either goes to sleep, gets a call or just makes Ishita think that he is too flippant about parenting his son. Its the classic case of good cop versus bad cop - with Ishita being cast in the role of the bad one here...just because she cares, a little too much...

If she too tries to become the good cop that Raman is being - Adi would have a whale of a time thats a guarantee...but it would also mean that perhaps he would begin to think Ishita is just like Shagun and he can make her dance to his tunes just by sulking and pouting - while Raman is trying to become a friend to Adi, Ishita is trying to become a mom, the only problem is in her bid to become a good enough mother for him, she is taking decisions that her son doesnt approve off...however can that be used against her?

She had been Ishita aunty for the longest time for Adi - she is now Ishimaa to him, earlier she knew her place was that of a stepmother, who has been accepted in the role of her husband' wife in the eyes of his son, now the very son considers her as his mother too...and so, she wants to be one to him...

However doing so, got her in a situation where she heard the words - You are not his mother...

If she becomes lenient, just for a moment pause and wonder, what if she doesnt care and Adi does something in the present scenario or something in the future - ...what do you think will be the biggest allegation against Ishita in the scenario - whatever it is, not necessarily a suicide - but say that po*n thing comes up and he tries to engage with Vinnie in something physical not necessarily intercourse but something sexual or even just a kiss, which we know can happen at this age or maybe he falls into bad company and starts to smoke or gamble, which is also known to happen to boys this age - what would be the first allegation levied against Ishita - That she is NOT his mother, that she didnt care or pay attention to what her son was doing or who he was keeping company with because he was not born to her...


So, its safe to say - Ishita is screwed in either ways - she is trapped between the devil and the deep blue sea...

While I am not justifying her move or defending Ishita - I am saying we should see where she is coming from too...

Recently, I came across these wonderful words which I think sum up Ishita' quandary and her situation to the T, her intentions are noble but her actions flawed...

"I myself am made entirely of flaws, stitched together with good intentions."
Augusten Burroughs, Magical Thinking: True Stories



The only solution to this problem is that BOTH Ishita and Raman need to come together to parent Adi and talk about things - Raman hiding things from Ishita is as much a reason for her bad decisions as much as Ishita hiding things from Raman, a reason for his hurtful words.

Edited by EkPaheli - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

Missed a lot of discussions today but couldnt hold myself back from getting here and lending my two cents worth, only I got delayed because I was clearing the obstacle course that is my room 😆

Watching the OLV I was also of the opinion that Ishita is going a little too far in her protectiveness for Adi and taking the thing of being a helicopter mom to a whole new level but somehow as I sat down later to think and saw the episode in the evening, my opinion changed especially due to the precap that we already knew of courtesy the OLV's


While I am not promoting or applauding Ishita' decision, I do think I see where she is coming from and this post may be considered as in defence of her, while I play the devil' advocate, then so be it...

In the precap what Raman said, its the truth - god' honest truth and you can make it out that the moment it hit him what he said, he regrets it that is why his "Go" is not as loud as his "Dafa ho jao" was, somewhere in his heart he knows Ishita would never harm Adi, but being who he is, he lost his temper and basically said whatever came to him.

But his words are Ishita' biggest fear and her deepest pain all rolled into one - that she is not a mother - not a biological one at least, even if she loves the children of the man she loves as if they were her own flesh and blood, she could lay down her life for them and almost did too, and yet it would never be enough - cause nothing can change the simple truth and the true fact that she has no blood ties to them and so no matter what she does this one thing - You didnt give birth to them - can always be used to hit her and is, it varies from time to time who says the words, uses them but they are used and they do hurt - only she lets on the hurt when someone close to her says them as we see in the precap - when Shagun and Subbu taunted her, Ishita doesnt react, she knows that they mean to hurt her and that is why she doesnt take their words to the heart cause in the end they dont matter to her but Raman does and so do his words which is why she is almost in tears at the very moment he says she isnt Adi' mother...

When I say not being a biological mom is her deepest pain - its self-explanatory, I dont need to elaborate on it but I do need to when I say its also her biggest fear.


Ishita in her protectiveness and concern for Adi, a child who has an unfortunate history of being impulsive, self-destructive and also very fragile emotionally, made her decide to put on the spycam in his room; and the newspaper article might be the catalyst that made her do it - it is not entirely the reason she has become so weary when it comes to Adi...Like we know he has a history of doing things, and while he may be now certified by his counsellor as healthier than before mentally, it is also true that Adi has been through a trauma post that certification - namely having his life endangered due to an explosion, an earthquake and the trauma of being abandoned by his mother when he could have died...and couple that with his odd behavior which started since he is attending the science class he joined, that got him partying with friends who caused police to come to his home and his hiding things from Ishita, learning he impersonates his dad while talking to his friend' parents on the phone...it becomes a whole lotta mess...

In the light of recent events, in this age where anyone can be easily influenced, should their parents become careless towards them, Adi can end up back to his self-destructive ways, which I suppose scares Ishita a lot as a mother.

Remember, she has tried to get Raman to talk to him and while Raman is right in his own way that after a certain point you cannot treat your kid as a child, he comes across as too lenient with Adi and the biggest bone of contention is he and Ishita DONT have a heart to heart about how to deal with Adi, Raman either goes to sleep, gets a call or just makes Ishita think that he is too flippant about parenting his son. Its the classic case of good cop versus bad cop - with Ishita being cast in the role of the bad one here...just because she cares, a little too much...

If she too tries to become the good cop that Raman is being - Adi would have a whale of a time thats a guarantee...but it would also mean that perhaps he would begin to think Ishita is just like Shagun and he can make her dance to his tunes just by sulking and pouting - while Raman is trying to become a friend to Adi, Ishita is trying to become a mom, the only problem is in her bid to become a good enough mother for him, she is taking decisions that her son doesnt approve off...however can that be used against her?

She had been Ishita aunty for the longest time for Adi - she is now Ishimaa to him, earlier she knew her place was that of a stepmother, who has been accepted in the role of her husband' wife in the eyes of his son, now the very son considers her as his mother too...and so, she wants to be one to him...

However doing so, got her in a situation where she heard the words - You are not his mother...

If she becomes lenient, just for a moment pause and wonder, what if she doesnt care and Adi does something in the present scenario or something in the future - ...what do you think will be the biggest allegation against Ishita in the scenario - whatever it is, not necessarily a suicide - but say that po*n thing comes up and he tries to engage with Vinnie in something physical not necessarily intercourse but something sexual or even just a kiss, which we know can happen at this age or maybe he falls into bad company and starts to smoke or gamble, which is also known to happen to boys this age - what would be the first allegation levied against Ishita - That she is NOT his mother, that she didnt care or pay attention to what her son was doing or who he was keeping company with because he was not born to her...


So, its safe to say - Ishita is screwed in either ways - she is trapped between the devil and the deep blue sea...

While I am not justifying her move or defending Ishita - I am saying we should see where she is coming from too...

Recently, I came across these wonderful words which I think sum up Ishita' quandary and her situation to the T, her intentions are noble but her actions flawed...

"I myself am made entirely of flaws, stitched together with good intentions."
Augusten Burroughs, Magical Thinking: True Stories



The only solution to this problem is that BOTH Ishita and Raman need to come together to parent Adi and talk about things - Raman hiding things from Ishita is as much a reason for her bad decisions as much as Ishita hiding things from Raman, a reason for his hurtful words.


Such beautiful words Aani. You should make them as individual posts, then we might have less posts about who's a jerk and who's overbearing.
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Posted: 10 years ago
Good post aani...

And that saying summed up your view really well 👏
Edited by fugitives123 - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
Aani it's a request to post this in a separate thread. I wanna comment to..but cnt rght nw. Plz do pm whn n if u open the post.
Loved ur analysis.
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Posted: 10 years ago
Wow...Loved the analysis aani.👏👏.You should make a Separate post..I am so pissed with ishita about placing the CCTv cam...and unable to understand whats wrong with her..You analysed excellently..😛😛
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Posted: 10 years ago
Aani...plz plz make a separate post of ur analysis...I so loved it!!! Everything u said is so true!! It is the bitter truth of Ishita's life that no matter what she does for the kids, when things go upside down all fingers will be raised at her and hitting her at her weakest point time & time again!!
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Posted: 10 years ago
Thanks a lot all of you 😃
Made a seperate post after all 😳

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Posted: 10 years ago
Hats off the discussions here..
Always a treat to read..

BMing.. gonna catch up tomorrow reading it all 😳
Aani, Anku..Krishy..Anuhyaa.. and everyone..superb posts..👏
Sorry, cant remember everyone's as I was reading glancing through quickly! 😳
Edited by Anu_IshraDivan - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
Hey Aani 😃 So just went through the discussions here.

For the first time today I only partly agree with you, which is fine I guess 😆

I agree with everything you said in regards to why Ishita needs to be a Bad cop. It's perfectly all right and totally apt that she is the balancing force between both the parents. And I get why she is protective and worried. Her intentions are noble definitely and there is no doubt on her love for the child. But the way she has taken and the reasons for which she is taking extreme steps are not entirely justified. Keeping a strict watch on the child for his betterment and to restrict him is alright but putting a CCTV in his room will lead him to feel that he is not trusted.

A child at his age in my opinion should be spoken to as a friend. Sitting down with him and telling him that what children at his age end up doing and what it results into and asking him if he wants the same. More importantly the child should be made to feel that he is trusted, so that his conscious is alert and he thinks twice about what his parents would feel if he made a mistake.

Coming to Raman, his words are hurtful and in NO WAY justified, whether we say its unintentional or said in an impulse. BUT is his anger really that wrong? Adi is a growing teen. Yes he is bound to stray and thus a watch is necessary, but by being so possessive won't they end up distancing the child whose just started to bond with them. I find Raman's way a little more relatable if not entirely correct. Like you said Adi has just taken a huge decision by cutting Shagun out of his life and accepting a new family. So like Ishita thinks that could still affect his mind, Raman thinks that being so protective would stifle him. He is being approachable and friendly to make him more comfortable in his surroundings. And at this point though the parents need to be careful because of his history (suicidal tendency, psychological issues, criminal offence etc) he also needs to be assured that his parents trust him. Showing trust will be more beneficial for Adi than to imply that he's being watched.

If you've observed I always end up coming to Ishita's defense but this time I can't because what has been shown reminds me of my own personal experiences. I've been through rough phases mentally ( low on confidence, easily stressed) and at such times the more faith my parents showed the stronger I became. But whenever I thought or heard of them being doubtful my confidence in myself dipped to new lows. So although Ishita is in every way justified in her worries and her intentions are absolutely noble, the way she has chosen is very very very wrong and for me nothing justifies it. And hence if the family or Raman is angry at her, THIS only time I do not blame them.

Having said that I am in no way justifying Raman's words because nothing absolves him of that mistake, although he did look guilty and I REALLY wish that this time, this fight between them has a logical conclusion.

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