Please resurect RKB - Page 4

Originally posted by: aarohi26

I think RKB is becoming more complex character day by day. frankly I was only attracted by Raman and ruhi character s ruhi is the innocent soul and RKB is the one of the strongest male characters which can differenciate between right and wrong,he is able to handle everyone especially his emotional mom and his wife but things are getting changed now. I am unable to understand if they really wanted to serve yhm as a female dominant show then why they gave us high hopes regarding Raman and his way of justice?? Raman,the man who know every nerve of his ex wife how could he easily befooled by her? the man who knew his rival ashok, how could he put himself low in front of him?? but somehow I forgot his all nonsense because of his attitude towards his family. I admit sometime because of family we have to take some drastic steps and I know he will able to manage ashok but shagun????? seriously yaar. that was height of too much. okk that was enough of my rant but frankly speaking so somehow from deep from my heart I have still faith on raman. whenever I expect for any justice,my eyes alwayswnt towards Raman and somehow from deep from my heart Iknew that this time also Raman will became reason for unity of mom daughter.
okk let's talk about yest epi so seriously my heart didn't allowing to bash poor soul. just see na how much difficult for any parent when he knew that his child will commit suicide,definetly he will give his protective hand towards that child so I don't think so he did wrong and regarding to ishita and that intimacy part, every one is bashing him for his deeds but why you guys didnt noticing his guilty tears? I am not justifying him but ya he just wanted to tell ishita that he loves her unconditionally and his both kids also. many of you are deciding to leave this show but I think we should remain the loyal viewers and again I am telling that I have full faith on my rkb that he will definetly bring his family back.

NOTE: gan do, I am not here to critisize anyone,I am just sharing my views and trying to spread positivity because for me at end of the time, RKB always did everything OK, so I have faith on him...

Originally posted by: maaloo

Gan.. 🤗 WORD!!! Lovely post as usual.. and I hear ya.. loud and clear.

I hate to rant too, constantly, and these past few days.. I realized that I had only rants and grievances that I totally stopped commenting in the thread and dampen the proceedings with additional rants.. and hoping fervently for it to pick up so that I can stop ranting and start raving about the show as i used to before. Like you mentioned, the entertainment value is gone.. nada.. zilch.. kaput..

One of the reasons that I started watching YHM was because of the fact that I could relate to it. Relate to Raman.. relate to Ishita.. relate to Simmi.. relate to Ruhi.. dang.. I could even relate to Shagun!! I could put myself in their shoes and could justify their actions.. to a certain extent.

Raman .. a totally broken man, who realizes that his seemingly perfect marriage was nothing but a mirage, accepting that his wife whom he idolized has feet of clay, coming back with a vengeance, bitter and broken, but taking on life head on, and testing the new "woman" in his life to the utmost to see if she breaks, regaining his trust in women, realizing that his wife is his strength..accepting that he loves her as she makes his home .. a haven. This entire character graph has a lot of growth.. though there are lots of dips in the graph, it always showed growth.

Ishita .. a person who was left at the altar, so to speak, because of limitations which was totally out of her control, compassionate and still not bitter and taking life head on, lived life by her values, feisty but still very loving and ready to compromise to a situation so that the family doesn't suffer.. generous and giving.. Again another character who made wrong calls and mistakes more because of her naivety and belief that people are more good than evil, and willing to accept that it was situations that made a person act the way they did.

Shagun..the narcissistic person, who felt she deserved more than what she got in her marriage with Raman, and when opportunity arose she moved on to greener pastures not caring about the trauma or the havoc that she left behind.. and that included an infant girl. She was a classic case of narcissistic personality disorder and believed that she deserved the best at any cost.

I could go on and on and on about each and every character which were neither white nor black and on an average all had grayish undertones.. And this is what attracted me to the show in the first place..

In each kaand.. i could relate to the reaction by the character whether it was a right one or not. During param kaand, it was not that Raman did not believe in Ishita but he reacted as a brother, not knowing what to do in a situation wherein his sister could be left heartbroken. He didn't want to be seen as the husband who took his wife's side without giving a fair hearing to his sister.. but on gaining proof that Param was wrong he realizes that it was not about his wife or sister but about letting a person like Param go free. And Ishita was reacting to the crime as a person..and that no person no matter what the situation/relation is, should be made to suffer such indignity on oneself, and keeping silent only encourages such baddies like Param to be more powerful to hurt others. And Simmi was reacting as a wife who totally trusted her husband and could not believe that her husband could do something so bad.. and also at the same time failing to accept the reality that the earth was shifting beneath her feet and she was trying to stay afloat by clinging on to her "vishwas".. that her husband could not cheat her.. or do the things that he was accused of, because after all said and done he claimed to love her and she loved him.. so what was the need for him to stray.. the classic case of disbelief or rather scared to doubt because that would mean that her vishwas was wrong .. her judgement was wrong.. and how could that be.. so it was better to challenge it than to question her judgement..

During amma's accident, i could relate to a father who wanted to protect his son from going to jail.. at the cost of doing stuff totally against his grain, more because he believed that his son was the one who was affected by his divorce and he felt guilty about having put his kids' through that trauma that he didn't want to inflict more trauma on them.. so he did what he did.. even though he knew in his heart that it was not right. Ishita on the other hand believed that guilty should be punished and rightly so too.. and is upset thinking Raman was protecting his ex-wife but backs off once she realizes that its her step-son .. and leaves it upto the parent to decide what to do about it.. as it was the parents' decision to make..

During Mani track, I could relate to Ishita..who knew that her husband was slightly jealous of her friendship with mani, and initially flaunts it just to make him realize his love for her and accept it and not to really make him jealous. She was confident of her friendship and in her eyes they were the best friends so she couldnt understand why anybody should mistake their friendship.. And Raman reacted like a jealous husband, not believing that a male and a female could be just friends.. and he viewed everything through the eyes of the green-eyed monster, and couldn't stand the thought of losing his new found love to another man who was in her life as a friend.. and on the award night, everything in his head came to a boiling point and helped with a few drinks, to make him lose it, and he tried to physically get his wife to accept that he is "the man". Not that it was right thing to do and that I approve of it.. but yes, i could understand where he is coming from.

I am not sadistic to want to see a man on his knees begging forgiveness from his wife for his mistakes or crying with remorse all the time, or to be dominated by his wife.. nor am i a feminist who believes that women are a better species and are superior .

I would rather see them as equals who approach an issue with some logic and resolve it.. and yes.. having come thus far in their relation .. to communicate with each other.. because that was something that was lacking and led to all the mis-understanding in all their previous issues.

But come December, the whole color palette changed and the balance was totally disturbed. The CVs thought the gray was not a color and went about painting their character's either black or white, and making the vamp, the hero in the story.

All the issues that they dealt with are real ones.. children's mental trauma in dirty custody battles, depression among kids, possessiveness for a child, heck even the rant about GKC, all are valid issues..but the way they are going about depicting them is all wrong. And that's where I have a problem. I could understand as a parent, what Adi is going through and Ruhi is going through but then being the same parent, i dont think I would do what Raman is doing or Ishita is doing .. or even what Shagun is doing.. and that for me has been the crux of the problem.. not being able to relate to anything.

And I loved the way you said how you saw DIVAN in the last romantic scene and the power of their acting but still they failed to convince you that it was an ISHRA romantic scene.. (I haven't watched it btw, I stopped watching sometime last week.. but still do read the updates.. ) There .. that itself is, according to me, half the battle lost on the part of the CVs.. the ability to convince the viewers in their story.

I hope the CVs realize that and do something about it.. And realize that the success of their story telling is in the number of viewers that want to stick with the show and deliberate about the happenings in the show .. reason things out and thus discuss openly about social issues and possibly go about promoting the right way out of these social issues and cliched situations, and not in the number of those who just play the show in background not caring for the story and ready to switch channels when another one comes along.. A story becomes epic when it will be remembered even after the curtains are drawn not when it will be forgotten and trashed even before the last scene is played out..

Phew.. that was long one Gan.. not my intention at all when I started with the first line but then I just couldn't stop it mid-steam..😆

Originally posted by: maaloo

Gan.. 🤗 WORD!!! Lovely post as usual.. and I hear ya.. loud and clear.

I hate to rant too, constantly, and these past few days.. I realized that I had only rants and grievances that I totally stopped commenting in the thread and dampen the proceedings with additional rants.. and hoping fervently for it to pick up so that I can stop ranting and start raving about the show as i used to before. Like you mentioned, the entertainment value is gone.. nada.. zilch.. kaput..

One of the reasons that I started watching YHM was because of the fact that I could relate to it. Relate to Raman.. relate to Ishita.. relate to Simmi.. relate to Ruhi.. dang.. I could even relate to Shagun!! I could put myself in their shoes and could justify their actions.. to a certain extent.

Raman .. a totally broken man, who realizes that his seemingly perfect marriage was nothing but a mirage, accepting that his wife whom he idolized has feet of clay, coming back with a vengeance, bitter and broken, but taking on life head on, and testing the new "woman" in his life to the utmost to see if she breaks, regaining his trust in women, realizing that his wife is his strength..accepting that he loves her as she makes his home .. a haven. This entire character graph has a lot of growth.. though there are lots of dips in the graph, it always showed growth.

Ishita .. a person who was left at the altar, so to speak, because of limitations which was totally out of her control, compassionate and still not bitter and taking life head on, lived life by her values, feisty but still very loving and ready to compromise to a situation so that the family doesn't suffer.. generous and giving.. Again another character who made wrong calls and mistakes more because of her naivety and belief that people are more good than evil, and willing to accept that it was situations that made a person act the way they did.

Shagun..the narcissistic person, who felt she deserved more than what she got in her marriage with Raman, and when opportunity arose she moved on to greener pastures not caring about the trauma or the havoc that she left behind.. and that included an infant girl. She was a classic case of narcissistic personality disorder and believed that she deserved the best at any cost.

I could go on and on and on about each and every character which were neither white nor black and on an average all had grayish undertones.. And this is what attracted me to the show in the first place..

In each kaand.. i could relate to the reaction by the character whether it was a right one or not. During param kaand, it was not that Raman did not believe in Ishita but he reacted as a brother, not knowing what to do in a situation wherein his sister could be left heartbroken. He didn't want to be seen as the husband who took his wife's side without giving a fair hearing to his sister.. but on gaining proof that Param was wrong he realizes that it was not about his wife or sister but about letting a person like Param go free. And Ishita was reacting to the crime as a person..and that no person no matter what the situation/relation is, should be made to suffer such indignity on oneself, and keeping silent only encourages such baddies like Param to be more powerful to hurt others. And Simmi was reacting as a wife who totally trusted her husband and could not believe that her husband could do something so bad.. and also at the same time failing to accept the reality that the earth was shifting beneath her feet and she was trying to stay afloat by clinging on to her "vishwas".. that her husband could not cheat her.. or do the things that he was accused of, because after all said and done he claimed to love her and she loved him.. so what was the need for him to stray.. the classic case of disbelief or rather scared to doubt because that would mean that her vishwas was wrong .. her judgement was wrong.. and how could that be.. so it was better to challenge it than to question her judgement..

During amma's accident, i could relate to a father who wanted to protect his son from going to jail.. at the cost of doing stuff totally against his grain, more because he believed that his son was the one who was affected by his divorce and he felt guilty about having put his kids' through that trauma that he didn't want to inflict more trauma on them.. so he did what he did.. even though he knew in his heart that it was not right. Ishita on the other hand believed that guilty should be punished and rightly so too.. and is upset thinking Raman was protecting his ex-wife but backs off once she realizes that its her step-son .. and leaves it upto the parent to decide what to do about it.. as it was the parents' decision to make..

During Mani track, I could relate to Ishita..who knew that her husband was slightly jealous of her friendship with mani, and initially flaunts it just to make him realize his love for her and accept it and not to really make him jealous. She was confident of her friendship and in her eyes they were the best friends so she couldnt understand why anybody should mistake their friendship.. And Raman reacted like a jealous husband, not believing that a male and a female could be just friends.. and he viewed everything through the eyes of the green-eyed monster, and couldn't stand the thought of losing his new found love to another man who was in her life as a friend.. and on the award night, everything in his head came to a boiling point and helped with a few drinks, to make him lose it, and he tried to physically get his wife to accept that he is "the man". Not that it was right thing to do and that I approve of it.. but yes, i could understand where he is coming from.

I am not sadistic to want to see a man on his knees begging forgiveness from his wife for his mistakes or crying with remorse all the time, or to be dominated by his wife.. nor am i a feminist who believes that women are a better species and are superior .

I would rather see them as equals who approach an issue with some logic and resolve it.. and yes.. having come thus far in their relation .. to communicate with each other.. because that was something that was lacking and led to all the mis-understanding in all their previous issues.

But come December, the whole color palette changed and the balance was totally disturbed. The CVs thought the gray was not a color and went about painting their character's either black or white, and making the vamp, the hero in the story.

All the issues that they dealt with are real ones.. children's mental trauma in dirty custody battles, depression among kids, possessiveness for a child, heck even the rant about GKC, all are valid issues..but the way they are going about depicting them is all wrong. And that's where I have a problem. I could understand as a parent, what Adi is going through and Ruhi is going through but then being the same parent, i dont think I would do what Raman is doing or Ishita is doing .. or even what Shagun is doing.. and that for me has been the crux of the problem.. not being able to relate to anything.

And I loved the way you said how you saw DIVAN in the last romantic scene and the power of their acting but still they failed to convince you that it was an ISHRA romantic scene.. (I haven't watched it btw, I stopped watching sometime last week.. but still do read the updates.. ) There .. that itself is, according to me, half the battle lost on the part of the CVs.. the ability to convince the viewers in their story.

I hope the CVs realize that and do something about it.. And realize that the success of their story telling is in the number of viewers that want to stick with the show and deliberate about the happenings in the show .. reason things out and thus discuss openly about social issues and possibly go about promoting the right way out of these social issues and cliched situations, and not in the number of those who just play the show in background not caring for the story and ready to switch channels when another one comes along.. A story becomes epic when it will be remembered even after the curtains are drawn not when it will be forgotten and trashed even before the last scene is played out..

Phew.. that was long one Gan.. not my intention at all when I started with the first line but then I just couldn't stop it mid-steam..😆

Originally posted by: avni_19

Well Said Gan Di! Beautiful quote and I agree with you. This definitely explains Raman. This was kinda needed actually...

These days, as you said, Its DivAn who is shining and IshRa failing! No doubt in that!

They should also know a relationship can never move forward if there is a lack of communication and trust. Unfortunately, IshRa lacks communication for certain matters. Nok-jhoking 24/7 doesn't solve problems, it adds fun to martial life.. Bas!

Trust..they both carry 50% trust, If there is no sharing of major life issues, then there is no trust I believe and Trust should be given and felt and not to be asked for. I guess Im not wrong here... *correct me if I'm wrong*

Loved it ! Beautifully written. I wish if you tweet this to Karan and Divyanka and tag them. If KP likes it, he will RT this because as far as I know, even the actors will not be liking this track. I rem KP saying in one intv, "at times we don't like the track but we just do it because that's our job, we don't interfere with the creatives".

I loved the screencap..❤️ I miss the Old YHM and the old IshRaRu moments! It was a bliss watching them then. Now out of loyalty , we watch. Sad!

Originally posted by: maaloo

Gan.. 🤗 WORD!!! Lovely post as usual.. and I hear ya.. loud and clear.

I hate to rant too, constantly, and these past few days.. I realized that I had only rants and grievances that I totally stopped commenting in the thread and dampen the proceedings with additional rants.. and hoping fervently for it to pick up so that I can stop ranting and start raving about the show as i used to before. Like you mentioned, the entertainment value is gone.. nada.. zilch.. kaput..

One of the reasons that I started watching YHM was because of the fact that I could relate to it. Relate to Raman.. relate to Ishita.. relate to Simmi.. relate to Ruhi.. dang.. I could even relate to Shagun!! I could put myself in their shoes and could justify their actions.. to a certain extent.

Raman .. a totally broken man, who realizes that his seemingly perfect marriage was nothing but a mirage, accepting that his wife whom he idolized has feet of clay, coming back with a vengeance, bitter and broken, but taking on life head on, and testing the new "woman" in his life to the utmost to see if she breaks, regaining his trust in women, realizing that his wife is his strength..accepting that he loves her as she makes his home .. a haven. This entire character graph has a lot of growth.. though there are lots of dips in the graph, it always showed growth.

Ishita .. a person who was left at the altar, so to speak, because of limitations which was totally out of her control, compassionate and still not bitter and taking life head on, lived life by her values, feisty but still very loving and ready to compromise to a situation so that the family doesn't suffer.. generous and giving.. Again another character who made wrong calls and mistakes more because of her naivety and belief that people are more good than evil, and willing to accept that it was situations that made a person act the way they did.

Shagun..the narcissistic person, who felt she deserved more than what she got in her marriage with Raman, and when opportunity arose she moved on to greener pastures not caring about the trauma or the havoc that she left behind.. and that included an infant girl. She was a classic case of narcissistic personality disorder and believed that she deserved the best at any cost.

I could go on and on and on about each and every character which were neither white nor black and on an average all had grayish undertones.. And this is what attracted me to the show in the first place..

In each kaand.. i could relate to the reaction by the character whether it was a right one or not. During param kaand, it was not that Raman did not believe in Ishita but he reacted as a brother, not knowing what to do in a situation wherein his sister could be left heartbroken. He didn't want to be seen as the husband who took his wife's side without giving a fair hearing to his sister.. but on gaining proof that Param was wrong he realizes that it was not about his wife or sister but about letting a person like Param go free. And Ishita was reacting to the crime as a person..and that no person no matter what the situation/relation is, should be made to suffer such indignity on oneself, and keeping silent only encourages such baddies like Param to be more powerful to hurt others. And Simmi was reacting as a wife who totally trusted her husband and could not believe that her husband could do something so bad.. and also at the same time failing to accept the reality that the earth was shifting beneath her feet and she was trying to stay afloat by clinging on to her "vishwas".. that her husband could not cheat her.. or do the things that he was accused of, because after all said and done he claimed to love her and she loved him.. so what was the need for him to stray.. the classic case of disbelief or rather scared to doubt because that would mean that her vishwas was wrong .. her judgement was wrong.. and how could that be.. so it was better to challenge it than to question her judgement..

During amma's accident, i could relate to a father who wanted to protect his son from going to jail.. at the cost of doing stuff totally against his grain, more because he believed that his son was the one who was affected by his divorce and he felt guilty about having put his kids' through that trauma that he didn't want to inflict more trauma on them.. so he did what he did.. even though he knew in his heart that it was not right. Ishita on the other hand believed that guilty should be punished and rightly so too.. and is upset thinking Raman was protecting his ex-wife but backs off once she realizes that its her step-son .. and leaves it upto the parent to decide what to do about it.. as it was the parents' decision to make..

During Mani track, I could relate to Ishita..who knew that her husband was slightly jealous of her friendship with mani, and initially flaunts it just to make him realize his love for her and accept it and not to really make him jealous. She was confident of her friendship and in her eyes they were the best friends so she couldnt understand why anybody should mistake their friendship.. And Raman reacted like a jealous husband, not believing that a male and a female could be just friends.. and he viewed everything through the eyes of the green-eyed monster, and couldn't stand the thought of losing his new found love to another man who was in her life as a friend.. and on the award night, everything in his head came to a boiling point and helped with a few drinks, to make him lose it, and he tried to physically get his wife to accept that he is "the man". Not that it was right thing to do and that I approve of it.. but yes, i could understand where he is coming from.

I am not sadistic to want to see a man on his knees begging forgiveness from his wife for his mistakes or crying with remorse all the time, or to be dominated by his wife.. nor am i a feminist who believes that women are a better species and are superior .

I would rather see them as equals who approach an issue with some logic and resolve it.. and yes.. having come thus far in their relation .. to communicate with each other.. because that was something that was lacking and led to all the mis-understanding in all their previous issues.

But come December, the whole color palette changed and the balance was totally disturbed. The CVs thought the gray was not a color and went about painting their character's either black or white, and making the vamp, the hero in the story.

All the issues that they dealt with are real ones.. children's mental trauma in dirty custody battles, depression among kids, possessiveness for a child, heck even the rant about GKC, all are valid issues..but the way they are going about depicting them is all wrong. And that's where I have a problem. I could understand as a parent, what Adi is going through and Ruhi is going through but then being the same parent, i dont think I would do what Raman is doing or Ishita is doing .. or even what Shagun is doing.. and that for me has been the crux of the problem.. not being able to relate to anything.

And I loved the way you said how you saw DIVAN in the last romantic scene and the power of their acting but still they failed to convince you that it was an ISHRA romantic scene.. (I haven't watched it btw, I stopped watching sometime last week.. but still do read the updates.. ) There .. that itself is, according to me, half the battle lost on the part of the CVs.. the ability to convince the viewers in their story.

I hope the CVs realize that and do something about it.. And realize that the success of their story telling is in the number of viewers that want to stick with the show and deliberate about the happenings in the show .. reason things out and thus discuss openly about social issues and possibly go about promoting the right way out of these social issues and cliched situations, and not in the number of those who just play the show in background not caring for the story and ready to switch channels when another one comes along.. A story becomes epic when it will be remembered even after the curtains are drawn not when it will be forgotten and trashed even before the last scene is played out..

Phew.. that was long one Gan.. not my intention at all when I started with the first line but then I just couldn't stop it mid-steam..😆

Originally posted by: krishy13

In case you saw on yesterday's post, Anku and I had an in depth discussion of the topic.

The problem of this story is not just the constant presence of Shagun. It's the shift in focus on Raman's characterization. Raman IS still true to his original character sketch, but like you had said yesterday:

Before the time slot change: Raman made stupid stupid mistakes but we were privy to all the thoughts/emotions behind them. Additionally, Raman rectified his mistakes and made up for them. His character always grew positively. He would yell at Ishita but usually when she did something like bring Param back or play Jagga Jassos aimlessly.

Leading up to the Mani track - his outbursts became untamed, extreme, and unproportional to the stimulus.

After the time slot change: Raman makes stupid mistakes out of emotional impulse but there's no growth. There is NO focus on the build up to the mistake or outburst and no insight given. All the tracks focusing on Raman's mistakes are quickly and poorly wrapped up now a days.

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When Ishita makes a mistake - as Anku pointed out: we see an entire episode dedicated to her justifications. Why does Raman no longer have justifications to his actions?

Additionally - since the time slot change, less delicacy has been given to Raman's emotions. The best example is the HORRIBLE end to the guilt track. The writer deliberately appeared to disregard the male lead's emotions and belittle them to a sick "Get Well Soon" party. Similarly - did Ishita ever learn about the morgue incident with her running away?

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By focusing on just Raman's mistakes and not allowing his character to express his thought process or rectify his mistakes in a grand, intentional manner - we are MORE often seeing posts that Raman doesn't deserve Ishita. A love story should have conflict, but now I see more and more comments comparing Raman to Ashok, the show's actual villain.

Raman is gray. He makes mistakes, learns from them, and fixes them. However since November, he no longer fixes his mistakes like before.

Raman's character hasn't positively progressed the plot at all since the time slot change. Before he would always pull at the heart strings, impart social messages, and positively progress the story.

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I could go on, but we have wrote giant essays yesterday on your thread & older threads explaining what we perceive as the gradual shift in the story to a female-centered story by altering the focus of the characters.

I really like Ishita's character, but before there used to be a balance between the leads. Now there is not a balance, and it is making the show slowly more unbearable.

Desi TV shouldn't try to promote women's empowerment through idealistic, unreal female leads. We need to see female leads who make mistakes and truly own up to them. We need to see male leads equally make mistakes but have a positive impact on the plot. Gender equality is needed, no bias.

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If your show was popular amongst the general population & even the TV fraternity for equality between 2 strong leads...why are you killing your own product?

This cannot just be the effect of the time slot change. This appears to be sloppy story writing to try to create unnecessary & illogical drama at the expense of the male lead.

Just my two cents though...

Originally posted by: -Gan-

Krishy I left the forum last night I think after interacting with you... Didn't check the posts after that... But this post stems from my discussion with you about RKB .. It stayed with me... And then in the morning I felt I need to just get it out of my system.