Inconsistent and comprised story writing and characters-DT NT Pg7

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Posted: 11 years ago
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I have to say that many ppl have been gushing about writing in recent episodes how deep and brilliant it is but unfortunately I don't agree

I believe writing and characters are seriously compromised

Now lets look at subbu situation

It has been believed till now ishita is sensitive and still hurt over subbu

And it is not that so far she has indicated that she is over him

But mani has been repeatedly hitting below the belt and bringing up subbu again and again

But ishita just keeps on smiling and laughing and not a hint of emotion as if cracked a joke

Now isn't that serious compromise on character

And she keeps on behaving like a start struck teenager everytime she meets mani

Wasn't she supposed to be mature and level headed character

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Ishita's character sketch is compromised, no doubt about it. But as far as Subbu is concerned, I find it natural. She's long forgotten Subbu. She was very happy to get engaged to Prateek and she wanted to share true husband-wife relationship with him. She obviously didn't want to have a loveless marriage with Prateek. Only this incident is enough to indicate she has moved on long ago. She's hurt because she wouldn't be able to bear a child. It's actually us ,the viewers, thought Subbu still was a factor but she clearly stated he's out of her system completely. We like this Subbu factor just to give a balance with Raman's turbulent past.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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ishita is human
its totally fine and normal to behave ott with a very old long lost school best friend
she is so happy and may be feeling like a kid its absolutely perfect
and subbu is past
he is out of her system
if subbu is no more also she wont feel a thing
so I disagree with u
Edited by JLZDK - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ankitasen

Ishita's character sketch is compromised, no doubt about it. But as far as Subbu is concerned, I find it natural. She's long forgotten Subbu. She was very happy to get engaged to Prateek and she wanted to share true husband-wife relationship with him. She obviously didn't want to have a loveless marriage with Prateek. Only this incident is enough to indicate she has moved on long ago. She's hurt because she wouldn't be able to bear a child. It's actually us ,the viewers, thought Subbu still was a factor but she clearly stated he's out of her system completely. We like this Subbu factor just to give a balance with Raman's turbulent past.



Very well said

But do you think she really has moved on

Many times in conversation with Raman she has said that it is not easy to forget hurt n pain subbu have him
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: --mancityfan--

I have to say that many ppl have been gushing about writing in recent episodes how deep and brilliant it is but unfortunately I don't agree

I believe writing and characters are seriously compromised

Now lets look at subbu situation

It has been believed till now ishita is sensitive and still hurt over subbu

And it is not that so far she has indicated that she is over him

But mani has been repeatedly hitting below the belt and bringing up subbu again and again

But ishita just keeps on smiling and laughing and not a hint of emotion as if cracked a joke

Now isn't that serious compromise on character

And she keeps on behaving like a start struck teenager everytime she meets mani

Wasn't she supposed to be mature and level headed character




Aaah dude ... ur one disgruntled customer ...

Well lets c .. the first time Ishita spoke about getting over Subbu . its in the episode where she convinces Tandon to Let Neel & Trisha get engaged .. her words ..

I also lost my first love ... & it took me a long time to get over that first love

Note she says .. GET OVER ..

in the next sentence she says ... Raman has not yet gotten over his first love .. so she was very clear where she stood ..

Next scene ... when she speaks to Raman about Subbu .. she cudnt have put it more equivocally about the fact that she is over Subbu . she says that man is OUT OF ME ..
now i know ur a man .. so let me explain this as a woman .. when a woman says .. i HAVE TAKEN THIS PERSON OUT OF ME .. it means .. i am over that person .. this person has no sway over any of my emotions . whether happy or sad .. one becomes indifferent to that person .. it means that chapter of the life is OVER ...

Now the writer has dedicated a 2 very important & LONG scenes to Ishita getting over her past .. for a character who has NO ACTUAL PHYSICAL PLAY in the story .. but as a mythical past .. i think its a scene to many ...

Now about .. Ishita gushing around Mani ... whoa dude .. have u ever met a school friend after years & years ... girls are exactly like this .. u rediscover ur youth .. a time when u giggled instead of smiled .. a time when u gushed instead of clenched ur words .. a time when u talked a mile instead of thot before uttering a single word ..

This is what Ishita is rediscovering .. she is rediscovering her youth .. & any viewer who has ever reconnected with his / her past friends specially school kinds would be able to identify with it ...

Just a kostin .. since i am one of the people to gush over "layered writing" .. did u by any chance wonder what is layered writing ... ? lemme know maybe i cud help throw light on it ..

lemme try helping u here what is layered writing in reference to what u have written about Ishita being "mature & level headed" well heres a woman who is clearly over the moon to meet a best friend since childhood ...she is gushing giggling et all .. just like a young girl ..
the next scene they show this same woman single handedly handle all the rituals of her household .. rituals she has no clue about ..
the next scene they show this woman talking to her husband about an issue pertaining to his ex .. which could potentially impact their 2 kids ...

Thats called layered characterisation ... this is a complete woman . she is an everyday woman .. one who wears many faces .. she is fun when the occasion demands ..she is responsible when responsibility is on her shoulders & she is the PERFECT PARTNER when the need arises ...




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Posted: 11 years ago
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Vyas,
When the writers DONT want to move the story along, they both are said to be wallowing in self pity of hurt and pain, at times when she has to gush over Mani like a love sick teenager she is supposed to have gotten over Subbu "looong ago"

I did mention in my posts various times the last week or so, when it comes to accepting or admitting Raman's advances CVs want us to believe she is supposed to be hurting immensely but when it comes to gushing over Subbu, she seems beyond silly to me.

I think with YHM becoming the slot leader and with Sonali admitting people will quit watching after a confession, I DONT think a confession is coming any time soon. They basically do not know how to proceed

This Forum might be excited to watch the after confession track... Raman win against Shagun/Ashok or Ishita winning over Aadi's love, etc.
But MOST audiences Producers bank on will abandon the ship when Raman and ishita consummate. Its a slippery slope they are walking on right now. Theyve been handed a huge prize also, of winning the slot leader ratings. They are completely confused about two things:

"what to do with the mature ISHRA story built over 9 months on a different time slot"

vs.

"Trying to cater to sanskaari audience, while maintaining the "love" flavor and holding on to the wins of the new time slot"
Edited by Nisha0604 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: JLZDK

ishita is human
its totally fine and normal to behave ott with a very old long lost school best friend
she is so happy and may be feeling like a kid its absolutely perfect
and subbu is past
he is out of her system
if subbu is no more also she wont feel a thing
so I disagree with u



Well

I don't agree

She has said multiple times she knows the pain of being betrayed

Well now she has met mani multiple times so should calm down
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: --mancityfan--



Very well said

But do you think she really has moved on

Many times in conversation with Raman she has said that it is not easy to forget hurt n pain subbu have him


You are right. She's still hurt not because of Subbu but the reason he gave to reject her. The reason is still valid that she can't conceive. So the wound wont heal easily. But she's fallen in love with Raman and she realized it fully. She earlier said about her "pehla pyar" but now the "pehla pyar" is completely washed out by "true love". She accepted it in the balcony convo, they (Ishita and Raman) were just meant for each other only. In case of Raman, the reason he had for rejection is no longer valid, he is filthy rich now. I believe even after post confession, she would get more hurt thinking she wont be able to bear Raman's child.
Edited by ankitasen - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Vyas, if this show had remained at its old home the 11 PM time slot I bet there wouldnt be a any Mani or clownish Raman. I CAN BET...
I agree many pieces of 11 PM slot were ridiculous and inane, "possessed Ishita", bringing Param back, bringing Shagun back etc.

But I feel the 11 PM slot would have allowed the story to remain a lil refined. This slot places unreasonable demands on the Producers to produce TRPs. You must have other leading ladies behave exactly this way (I dont want any others at this time) and walking away with good TRPs.


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: redwine1




Aaah dude ... ur one disgruntled customer ...

Well lets c .. the first time Ishita spoke about getting over Subbu . its in the episode where she convinces Tandon to Let Neel & Trisha get engaged .. her words ..

I also lost my first love ... & it took me a long time to get over that first love

Note she says .. GET OVER ..

in the next sentence she says ... Raman has not yet gotten over his first love .. so she was very clear where she stood ..

Next scene ... when she speaks to Raman about Subbu .. she cudnt have put it more equivocally about the fact that she is over Subbu . she says that man is OUT OF ME ..
now i know ur a man .. so let me explain this as a woman .. when a woman says .. i HAVE TAKEN THIS PERSON OUT OF ME .. it means .. i am over that person .. this person has no sway over any of my emotions . whether happy or sad .. one becomes indifferent to that person .. it means that chapter of the life is OVER ...

Now the writer has dedicated a 2 very important & LONG scenes to Ishita getting over her past .. for a character who has NO ACTUAL PHYSICAL PLAY in the story .. but as a mythical past .. i think its a scene to many ...

Now about .. Ishita gushing around Mani ... whoa dude .. have u ever met a school friend after years & years ... girls are exactly like this .. u rediscover ur youth .. a time when u giggled instead of smiled .. a time when u gushed instead of clenched ur words .. a time when u talked a mile instead of thot before uttering a single word ..

This is what Ishita is rediscovering .. she is rediscovering her youth .. & any viewer who has ever reconnected with his / her past friends specially school kinds would be able to identify with it ...

Just a kostin .. since i am one of the people to gush over "layered writing" .. did u by any chance wonder what is layered writing ... ? lemme know maybe i cud help throw light on it ..

lemme try helping u here what is layered writing in reference to what u have written about Ishita being "mature & level headed" well heres a woman who is clearly over the moon to meet a best friend since childhood ...she is gushing giggling et all .. just like a young girl ..
the next scene they show this same woman single handedly handle all the rituals of her household .. rituals she has no clue about ..
the next scene they show this woman talking to her husband about an issue pertaining to his ex .. which could potentially impact their 2 kids ...

Thats called layered characterisation ... this is a complete woman . she is an everyday woman .. one who wears many faces .. she is fun when the occasion demands ..she is responsible when responsibility is on her shoulders & she is the PERFECT PARTNER when the need arises ...




Looks like no matter how many times I say I love you today, won't be enough. 🤗
@bold- Now, Ishu's Mani jhaap irritates me a little too- actually not the jhaap but the way Ishu and Mani both call each other's name with a weird tone. 😆 But Lekin Kintu Parantu that is normal. She is meeting a childhood friend, one she hasn't seen in ages and something that Ishu said, there are some people you can always start over with the note you left them on, Mani is that friend for Ishu and her behaviour with him is something expected.

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