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Posted: 10 years ago
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Awesome post dear...
Thanks for PM...
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It was an awesome and fabulous post..👏👏
The analysis of each scene from beginning was superb..
And the was just perfect...👍🏼
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Posted: 10 years ago
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EPISODE NO. 250


So after the LU .. i wish all a gudnite .. go to bed .. then surf a bit on the forum .. & see its the 250th episode today ... such a landmark .. so could'nt let this one slip by without a post ... a clear disclaimer here .. am half zonked out .. so if i am not lucid .. pleej to forgive .. will answer any query u have when sanity strikes .. 😉

Shilpa & Bhanu .. this ones for the both of u ...


MAUNVRAT ...

In the last couple of weeks .. this word has crept up so many times in this serial .. that some of the antennas started catching the signal finally ... (PHEW .. said the writer)

What was the significance of Maunvrat ... why did it creep up so often ... if this is a question thats popped in ur mind as well .. then here goes ...

I would also like to thank GANBARUNFAN .. for using the word REFLECTIONS in her post today .. she made her post after the 7;30 telecast .. & though i saw her post .i had not watched the episode till then . it was with the idea of REFLECTIONS in the back of my mind that i saw the episode .. so thank u ...

It was a day for past reflections today ...

She for the moments she spent with him ..
He for the man he was .. the nerd ...

The biggest moment in todays episode for me was ... they spoke ... yes they talked .. even tabled the fabled word .. LOVE ... but wrapped it up in mythical terms ...

YEs they spoke .. but they both were in MAUNVRAT ...

She spoke of a third person .. & she spoke referring to a third person ..
He answered thinking of the third person ... thinking it was for the third person ...

When is speech important ...when u are able to talk ... but when is speech useless when u r quiet .. but words are coming out ...

Maunvrat .. isn't that what ISHITA & RAMAN have been 'IN' for the last say 5 months of their marriage ... coz the day he brought her home once again ... after the Param fiasco ... That is the first day this couple SPOKE ...
yes they did speak .. he said sorry . she said sorry ... BUT DID THEY SPEAK ... no they did not ...

She did not voice what she expected from him .. he did not voice what she meant to him ...

Pause here ..

Just 2 days back she cried out to him .. i have not expected anything from u ... he said .. if u don't expect from me .. why are u asking ...

I wrote on saturday post that the "pal pal badhe yeh hai mohbbatein" started after the Param fiasco .. & u saw a reflection of that in that episode...
because it was that day in her room .. when he had come to take her back to her HOME .. that she needed to tell him .. WHAT SHE EXPECTED FROM HIM ... cause when she walked out of her HOME .. she looked back EXPECTING HIM TO STOP HER ... ENTREATING HIM TO HOLD HER BACK ...

But she kept quiet that day in her room .. she said sorry .. she said a thank u .. but she did not tell him why she said sorry .. or why she said Thank u .. nor did he ask her .. WHY ...

That day was the first day of MAUNVRAT for these 2

As days progressed .. their relation stabled .. there were many a times they spoke .. an evening stroll in their building .. they spoke about a "gift" ..he asked her . was my gift gaudy .. she said .. the gesture was sweet ...

He did not ask her .. Why was the gesture sweet ... nor did she ask him .. what prompted him to get her a gift .. clearly this relation was about RUHI .. a simple overhearing of a convo of Ishita with Bala .. prompted a gift the very next minute .. but once again .. they side stepped that talk ...

Yes they still maintained their MAUN ...

Then one evening .. at a glittering party they spoke ... of course they did .. she said .. be nice to ur past .. let it not affect u ... he was amazed at her ability to think of all even someone who clearly did not think a gud thing for her ...

Yes they spoke that night ... but were quiet .. she did not ask him .. R U CRAVING FOR UR PAST .. DO U WANT UR PAST ... DO U LOVE UR PAST

HE DID NOT ASK HER ... WHAT DO U FEEL FOR ME .. WHY DOES IT MATTER IF I CARE /LOVE My past ... clearly this relation even then was SIRF RUHI KE Liye

She cried .. i cannot conceive a child .. he said it was about his love for his first born .. they yet again side stepped
She did not ask him .. WILL THIS RELATION EVER MEAN THE SAME TO U .. if i am NOT ABLE TO GIVE U A CHILD ..
he did not ask her ...
IF POSSIBLE .. WOULD U LIKE TO HAVE A CHILD WITH ME ...

they shook hands in a gesture of one ness ..a promise ... of togetherness .. but they never articulated what was togetherness ... they once again spoke about being parents ... but kept quiet about being a couple ...

Yes they practised MAUNVRAT that day as welll ...

Then one day .. he was devastated he came to her & unloaded himself .. he asked her to be his strength .. yes they spoke that day .. she told him i was hurt u did not SHARE .. he said .. i couldn't coz Shagun asked me not to ... yes they spoke that day .. but were quiet ...

She did not ask him .. did Shagun HOLD SO MUCH SWAY over him ... nor did he ask her ... WHY WERE U HURT that i dint share & why were u not hurt about the fact that i was going against u ?... clearly the relation was about RUHI even then ..

She stood by him as his anchor ... just the way he stood by her as her anchor when her mother was struggling ... both realising what the other way doing .. but both not speaking about it ...

Yes they were deep into MAUNVRAT even then ...



Todays episode ...

A couple struggling with the word LOVE ... he wants her to say it .. he tells her .. one day i will make u say it .. one day u will say it .. one day i will hear it from u ...
she wants to see a sign that he loves her .. she yearns for his love .. she is desirous of his love ...

but today when she spoke of Love .. of second chances .. he rubbished her ... hmmm isn't that what we all thot .. well .. NO he did not rubbish LOVE ..
So lets recreate the scene ..

She is sitting in front of the mirror & this time she is facing the mirror & looking at raman .. who is a changed Raman .. but she is still seeing a REFLECTION of RAMAN .. she is NOT FACING HIM ...

She asks him about Love .. but she says .. MY FRIEND MANi .. was speaking about second chances ... what do u think ...
Raman says .. Love debilates ur body .. ur ability to perform .. ur ability to exist .. it takes over .. so better to stay away ...

Now lets pause here please ...

One he did not rubbish love.. he just said .. LOVE TO HIM IS ALL CONSUMING .. it takes over every part of u ... & then rules u ...

( honestly this guy is truly a very very very big romantic 😳 .. madam Ishita's a lucky one)

Two ... he thinks she is talking about MANI .. Mr. CHUSSA HUA AAM ... Mani = Murli = Nerdy Raman ...

This is the man .. Nerdy Raman .. who was in an all consuming relation .. a relation which ruled him inside out .. ruined him inside out .. & destroyed his ability to perform ... coz according to Raman .. a man like Murli / Ravindra / Nerdy Raman .. cannot HOLD A WOMAN ...

So as he sat there and answered her query .. he was posturing Mani as himself of the past .. the man who was ruined at the hands of an all consuming love ... a man who did not have what it took to hold a woman ... & he also thot .. here was a guy who was sucker punched at the hands of a past love .. but that did not have much of an impact on him as in he did not look like he came out VICTOR .. he was still a NERD .. A NEEDY GUY .. if he fell in love once again .. the poor guy would not recover ..

It basically all boiled down to .. MANI = MURLI = NERDY RAMAN
What will happen when Raman knows Mani is not d nerdy self?? Not a chusa aam??
Will he use money n material to woo his wife??? Or will he bring up d needy Raman on the forefront??? Will d jealousy bring more bitterness in Raman??? He is sure to fight for his love indeed... But will his momentary anger allow his heart to hear ishita's dil ki baat?? He will surely confess his feelings as a result of his frustrations... But will he show d same patience to listen to ishita's heart???
Or ishita initially will have to bear d pain of being ignored??
It will hard to convince Raman after witnessing Mani n ishita's closeness their comfort...
With the upcoming shagun ashok wedding n awaited twists I don't think their confession will b on smooth grounds...


So lets c .. did they speak today .. yes they did ..
They also used the fabled word .. LOVE

BUT they were MAUN yet again ...

She did not ask him ... DO V DESERVE A SECOND CHANCE ..
he did NOT SAY .. BUT life changes a person .. & the person i am TODAY .. i cAN LOVE .. cause i am not the MAN I WAS BEFORE ...

She did not ask him .. this lightness .. this desire .. this flirting .. what did it hide .. did it hide love .. a changed relation status ...

He did not ask her ... who deserves a second chance .. are u talking about Mani or US ...

Even as he shouted at her the same day .. he said .. there are enuf problems in our life ...

He did not say .. what those problems were .. HER LOVE LIFE LAY SUSPENDED .. cause she did not have to courage to say .. I LOVE U .. & she was worrying about Shagun's love life ..

She did not ask him .. why is my life TROUBLED .. i apparently have it all ..

They maintained MAUNVRAT in the morning ... & they continued their MAUNVRAT into the day ...

This is the story of MAUNVRAT ... 😳

when will maunvrat end? .. when there is an ability to trust in self .. or when the love is threatened .. 😉

And as this discussion wound down between the 2 ... there was a knock on the door ... & there stood THREAT ...

Mani > Murli > Nerdy Raman this was SO ... not part of the calculation ...


Now lets look at REFLECTIONS ...

She spoke to Raman's reflection in the mirror ... reflection is artistically shown as the past in creative world ... she spoke to the man who she thot still loves his past ... because she was not speaking to the man .. but his reflection...
Similarly . Raman was staring at his computer screen & answering while . looking at his vague reflection . a very hazy picture comes out when u see urself in the reflection of ur computer monitor ...


Now just pause for a moment here ...

The other day after MiMi roka .. he lifted her face & told her to look in his eyes & say .. she did not love him .. she could not answer him...

To talk feelings they both will have to look at each other .. they will need to SEE EACH OTHER .. & not see a reflection of the person ..

She will need to FACE the fact that he is LONG OVER HIS PAST .. & he is LOOKING AT HER >> HIS FUTURE ..

He will need to FACE THE FACT ... that she loves RAMAN / RAAVAN / NERDY RAMAN ... the COMPLETE MAN ... he will have to see THAT HE COMES FIRST In her AFFECTIONS ...
HE will need to FACE her to see SHE IS FACING HIM .. HER FUTURE ...

This marriage started in a small coffee shop . where they pledged to each other 7 times .. SIRF RUHI KE LIYE ... They kept looking at each other that night in the cafe & repeated the words like a mantra .. SIRF RUHI KE LIYE .. They will need to FACE EACH OTHER AGAIN ... & see in each others eyes ... it was so not about SIRF RUHI KE LIYE ...


So a seemingly .. nondescript episode ..packed so much REAL ROMANCE in it ... yes it was all about MAUNVRATS & REFLECTIONS ...

but what do they say .. the winds have turned tide ... the winds of change just blew in thru the door of IYER HOUSE ... 😉




Theres a lot of other pointers in the episode .. but am totally pooped to write today .. will try penning my thots later this week ..





I m in love wid ur posts dear... Superb...👏
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Posted: 10 years ago
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^ do let me know what u think of stuff I have added above...😊
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Ruby usual u post awestruck. ...u r so wonderfully connecting dots. ..I salute to that..dear well this full circle YHM around ruhi..sirf ruhi ki liya..They bond start with so many negative thoughts for ishra. marriage track..Each and every way bring their bond strong..erase all their negative thoughts both feel...perfect meaning of love understand for raman by only his wife ishita ..each path so many struggle but they bond by new way..feelings r changed complete turn over 360 degree is raman as well ishita. .too..all bad thoughts r erased and now they r in level of ego who is going to confess first...well first rain hug..he say I love u ishita..bcos that time he said ruhi is there watching..so he don't want his daughter to hurt..he said ruhi ki liya..that time he had strong connected to his daughter only by ishita who make realise he is wrong...ruhi is his beti..which is huge relief..so he don't want his daughter to affect by their relationship. .but again ruhi plays vital role in bringing ishra closer...that time ruhi ki liya...next comes to room he again said I love u ishita which he want to say but he said to erase her pain change her thoughts he said for come out pain there no ruhi..no compel..he himself come forward and say..but there is gentleness in that yes he had head over heels love ishita he can't see her pain r sad..anymore that ILU..brings her quiet he take her pain out which is deeply connected to her mind as well as physical pain he want remove her pains which she is affected this much years..by that time he said I love u ishita. ..For raman his life back full of bright and light only person ishita Raman bhalla. .she brings life to him and his daughter ruhi..by her selfless thoughts by each and e ery thing..first time raman I love you for ruhi ki liya. .second time I love you for Sirf tumera liya(ishita ki liya)..next confession would be humeral liya...u r brilliant in YHM connecting dots u giving as perfect thinking as well positive way..again ishita m salute u dear ruby. .
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Thank uThank uThank uThank uThank uThank uThank uThank u Ruby,

But i am in a hurry right now, so will comment in detail late night today...

Bas itna keh sakti hoon ki superb post, almost like double post since u have replied to someone's question also.
Bonus mil gaya..

Waiting for todays episode😉 to see tingu reaction..

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: janhavi1916

^ do let me know what u think of stuff I have added above...😊


What will happen when Raman knows Mani is not d nerdy self?? Not a chusa aam??
Will he use money n material to woo his wife??? Or will he bring up d needy Raman on the forefront??? Will d jealousy bring more bitterness in Raman??? He is sure to fight for his love indeed... But will his momentary anger allow his heart to hear ishita's dil ki baat?? He will surely confess his feelings as a result of his frustrations... But will he show d same patience to listen to ishita's heart???
Or ishita initially will have to bear d pain of being ignored??
It will hard to convince Raman after witnessing Mani n ishita's closeness their comfort...
With the upcoming shagun ashok wedding n awaited twists I don't think their confession will b on smooth grounds...


To answer this i will have to predict ... which i don't do ... 😳😉

anyways lets c how best i can answer this ... lets see what was already shown to us ..

the biggest thing is .. in precap he knows the person who he met in Ruhi's school was Mani .. Ishita's friend
Now the next reveal is .. Mani = Abhimanyu Raghav = Saddoo client

Who he is trying to woo ... 😳😉

In the precap scene ... mani says .. ur fighting with a kid ... Raman's rejoinder ... ur the father of the kid who my daughter levelled ...

Hmmm .. both were trying already to act ONE UP ...
Both were posturing .. both were strutting their feathers so to speak .. Raman did not know who the guy was .. but Mani already knows who Raman was .. Ishu husband = saddoo client

But in the last 2 days . he has also figured that Ishita loves her husband ... but is unaware of what her husbands feelings for her are .. he has guessed of the impasse the relation has reached ...
IF u go back to their first meeting.. it was similar . they met they exchanged words which looked like a fight of ONE UP MANSHIP .. & then they realised both were on the same page .. they shook hands & parted cordially ...

Is this enuf .. or do u want me to say more .. 😉

Chalo one pearl only ...

have u heard of dog & the bone ... what does a dog do .. he marks his territory the moment he sees a new dog enter the area ... 😉

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I had written something long and nice.. But my iPad crashed on me and reloaded the page wiping out everything..😭
Short comment . Ruby I was reading your replies... Your understanding of a scene vis a vis the whole picture of the journey is amazing.. We each see a scene and interpret it our way.. To connect those scenes takes deeper thinking.. I applaud that in you. You have increased my enjoyment of. YHM mor e.. thank you !

As far as why Raman whispered his I love you s .. Here is my lame effort:😆

It's because he wants to gauge Ishita's reaction to it before he can declare openly. That's why the day he cornered ishita after Sanjana fiasco, and also the car scene he backed off the minute ishita was resisting... He wantd her to be the 1st one to declare her feelings.. So that he's sure of it.. He does not want to revisit the pain of unrequited love.. And probably he knows his love for Ishita is much deeper than what he felt for Shagun. Shagun's betrayal changed him as a man... Ishita's rejection will end his wajood ... He's treading on shaky ground.


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That's a wonderful read Ruby and what a great connection to the story.

I agree totally. Ishita and Raman have a wonderful relation, if you judge it on the basis that its an arranged marriage and was supposed to be a compromise. They have a great understanding of the others nature and moods. They trust each other implicitly. For two people who couldn't stand sight of one another at one point they've entered a comfortable zone in their life, where they can have some wonderful moments together without feeling awkward. They share, happiness, laughter, pain and troubles and that works wonderfully for two people who are wounded by their first love/marriage and hesitant to move ahead.

With passing time they've come closer and subconsciously fallen in love. Instances have pushed Ishita to accept that she's probably falling in love with Raman. Raman hasn't had any self though over any of it, but seems to have unknowingly fallen in love too. His actions and his words are proof of it.

But where all of this comes to a halt is the lack of proper communication. Ishita and Raman both talk in riddles, expecting the first step from the other and hence never come around telling each other their real feelings.Their past experiences are what make them wary of taking a step ahead.

Ishita thinks Raman is an all giving person. But since he was cheated once, he's probably going to find it hard to love again.

Raman thinks Ishita isn't so happy in the marriage. She's happier with someone like Mani. Not that he's said that yet, but isn't that what will actually bother him. That another man knows his wife better?

When Raman does take a few steps ahead, Ishita takes two behind- that frustrates him and he retreats into his shell again, masking his annoyance with his taunts. When Ishita takes a step, including Mani into it, that further nags him and he answers in his usual mock bitterness that makes her think otherwise.

Their biggest problem is, not being honest in words with the other and the lack of spending time with each other. What they need is a push.

Raman is going to start getting the push from Mani today. From whatever he has heard and whatever he'll see today he is going to paint a picture of the man and his relation with his wife and behave accordingly. And an Ishita whose having doubts about second chances will see for herself how affected he is.

Mani has come at the perfect time into their lives. They have a comfortable bond, trust, deep concern, possessiveness and budding love - The next step would be accepting the love, confessing it and then intimacy as you said. But with so much doubt, self - loathing, lack of honesty and communications, all that love can only withhold itself for a while. For its roots to be stronger they need barriers to break between them, which possible Mani will help with, indirectly.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: redwine1


What will happen when Raman knows Mani is not d nerdy self?? Not a chusa aam??
Will he use money n material to woo his wife??? Or will he bring up d needy Raman on the forefront??? Will d jealousy bring more bitterness in Raman??? He is sure to fight for his love indeed... But will his momentary anger allow his heart to hear ishita's dil ki baat?? He will surely confess his feelings as a result of his frustrations... But will he show d same patience to listen to ishita's heart???
Or ishita initially will have to bear d pain of being ignored??
It will hard to convince Raman after witnessing Mani n ishita's closeness their comfort...
With the upcoming shagun ashok wedding n awaited twists I don't think their confession will b on smooth grounds...


To answer this i will have to predict ... which i don't do ... 😳😉

anyways lets c how best i can answer this ... lets see what was already shown to us ..

the biggest thing is .. in precap he knows the person who he met in Ruhi's school was Mani .. Ishita's friend
Now the next reveal is .. Mani = Abhimanyu Raghav = Saddoo client

Who he is trying to woo ... 😳😉

In the precap scene ... mani says .. ur fighting with a kid ... Raman's rejoinder ... ur the father of the kid who my daughter levelled ...

Hmmm .. both were trying already to act ONE UP ...
Both were posturing .. both were strutting their feathers so to speak .. Raman did not know who the guy was .. but Mani already knows who Raman was .. Ishu husband = saddoo client

But in the last 2 days . he has also figured that Ishita loves her husband ... but is unaware of what her husbands feelings for her are .. he has guessed of the impasse the relation has reached ...
i dont think mani will need time to figure out raman's feelings...😃 its a prediction dat mani may purposefully act flirty wid ishita in front of raman...😉 its my wish...😳
IF u go back to their first meeting.. it was similar . they met they exchanged words which looked like a fight of ONE UP MANSHIP .. & then they realised both were on the same page .. they shook hands & parted cordially ...

Is this enuf .. or do u want me to say more .. 😉

Chalo one pearl only ...

have u heard of dog & the bone ... what does a dog do .. he marks his territory the moment he sees a new dog enter the area ... 😉

😆😆😆 superb 👏👏👏👏

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