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EPISODE NO. 250


So after the LU .. i wish all a gudnite .. go to bed .. then surf a bit on the forum .. & see its the 250th episode today ... such a landmark .. so could'nt let this one slip by without a post ... a clear disclaimer here .. am half zonked out .. so if i am not lucid .. pleej to forgive .. will answer any query u have when sanity strikes .. 😉

Shilpa & Bhanu .. this ones for the both of u ...


MAUNVRAT ...

In the last couple of weeks .. this word has crept up so many times in this serial .. that some of the antennas started catching the signal finally ... (PHEW .. said the writer)

What was the significance of Maunvrat ... why did it creep up so often ... if this is a question thats popped in ur mind as well .. then here goes ...

I would also like to thank GANBARUNFAN .. for using the word REFLECTIONS in her post today .. she made her post after the 7;30 telecast .. & though i saw her post .i had not watched the episode till then . it was with the idea of REFLECTIONS in the back of my mind that i saw the episode .. so thank u ...

It was a day for past reflections today ...

She for the moments she spent with him ..
He for the man he was .. the nerd ...

The biggest moment in todays episode for me was ... they spoke ... yes they talked .. even tabled the fabled word .. LOVE ... but wrapped it up in mythical terms ...

YEs they spoke .. but they both were in MAUNVRAT ...

She spoke of a third person .. & she spoke referring to a third person ..
He answered thinking of the third person ... thinking it was for the third person ...

When is speech important ...when u are able to talk ... but when is speech useless when u r quiet .. but words are coming out ...

Maunvrat .. isn't that what ISHITA & RAMAN have been 'IN' for the last say 5 months of their marriage ... coz the day he brought her home once again ... after the Param fiasco ... That is the first day this couple SPOKE ...
yes they did speak .. he said sorry . she said sorry ... BUT DID THEY SPEAK ... no they did not ...

She did not voice what she expected from him .. he did not voice what she meant to him ...

Pause here ..

Just 2 days back she cried out to him .. i have not expected anything from u ... he said .. if u don't expect from me .. why are u asking ...

I wrote on saturday post that the "pal pal badhe yeh hai mohbbatein" started after the Param fiasco .. & u saw a reflection of that in that episode...
because it was that day in her room .. when he had come to take her back to her HOME .. that she needed to tell him .. WHAT SHE EXPECTED FROM HIM ... cause when she walked out of her HOME .. she looked back EXPECTING HIM TO STOP HER ... ENTREATING HIM TO HOLD HER BACK ...

But she kept quiet that day in her room .. she said sorry .. she said a thank u .. but she did not tell him why she said sorry .. or why she said Thank u .. nor did he ask her .. WHY ...

That day was the first day of MAUNVRAT for these 2

As days progressed .. their relation stabled .. there were many a times they spoke .. an evening stroll in their building .. they spoke about a "gift" ..he asked her . was my gift gaudy .. she said .. the gesture was sweet ...

He did not ask her .. Why was the gesture sweet ... nor did she ask him .. what prompted him to get her a gift .. clearly this relation was about RUHI .. a simple overhearing of a convo of Ishita with Bala .. prompted a gift the very next minute .. but once again .. they side stepped that talk ...

Yes they still maintained their MAUN ...

Then one evening .. at a glittering party they spoke ... of course they did .. she said .. be nice to ur past .. let it not affect u ... he was amazed at her ability to think of all even someone who clearly did not think a gud thing for her ...

Yes they spoke that night ... but were quiet .. she did not ask him .. R U CRAVING FOR UR PAST .. DO U WANT UR PAST ... DO U LOVE UR PAST

HE DID NOT ASK HER ... WHAT DO U FEEL FOR ME .. WHY DOES IT MATTER IF I CARE /LOVE My past ... clearly this relation even then was SIRF RUHI KE Liye

She cried .. i cannot conceive a child .. he said it was about his love for his first born .. they yet again side stepped
She did not ask him .. WILL THIS RELATION EVER MEAN THE SAME TO U .. if i am NOT ABLE TO GIVE U A CHILD ..
he did not ask her ...
IF POSSIBLE .. WOULD U LIKE TO HAVE A CHILD WITH ME ...

they shook hands in a gesture of one ness ..a promise ... of togetherness .. but they never articulated what was togetherness ... they once again spoke about being parents ... but kept quiet about being a couple ...

Yes they practised MAUNVRAT that day as welll ...

Then one day .. he was devastated he came to her & unloaded himself .. he asked her to be his strength .. yes they spoke that day .. she told him i was hurt u did not SHARE .. he said .. i couldn't coz Shagun asked me not to ... yes they spoke that day .. but were quiet ...

She did not ask him .. did Shagun HOLD SO MUCH SWAY over him ... nor did he ask her ... WHY WERE U HURT that i dint share & why were u not hurt about the fact that i was going against u ?... clearly the relation was about RUHI even then ..

She stood by him as his anchor ... just the way he stood by her as her anchor when her mother was struggling ... both realising what the other way doing .. but both not speaking about it ...

Yes they were deep into MAUNVRAT even then ...



Todays episode ...

A couple struggling with the word LOVE ... he wants her to say it .. he tells her .. one day i will make u say it .. one day u will say it .. one day i will hear it from u ...
she wants to see a sign that he loves her .. she yearns for his love .. she is desirous of his love ...

but today when she spoke of Love .. of second chances .. he rubbished her ... hmmm isn't that what we all thot .. well .. NO he did not rubbish LOVE ..
So lets recreate the scene ..

She is sitting in front of the mirror & this time she is facing the mirror & looking at raman .. who is a changed Raman .. but she is still seeing a REFLECTION of RAMAN .. she is NOT FACING HIM ...

She asks him about Love .. but she says .. MY FRIEND MANi .. was speaking about second chances ... what do u think ...
Raman says .. Love debilates ur body .. ur ability to perform .. ur ability to exist .. it takes over .. so better to stay away ...

Now lets pause here please ...

One he did not rubbish love.. he just said .. LOVE TO HIM IS ALL CONSUMING .. it takes over every part of u ... & then rules u ...

( honestly this guy is truly a very very very big romantic .. madam Ishita's a lucky one)

Two ... he thinks she is talking about MANI .. Mr. CHUSSA HUA AAM ... Mani = Murli = Nerdy Raman ...

This is the man .. Nerdy Raman .. who was in an all consuming relation .. a relation which ruled him inside out .. ruined him inside out .. & destroyed his ability to perform ... coz according to Raman .. a man like Murli / Ravindra / Nerdy Raman .. cannot HOLD A WOMAN ...

So as he sat there and answered her query .. he was posturing Mani as himself of the past .. the man who was ruined at the hands of an all consuming love ... a man who did not have what it took to hold a woman ... & he also thot .. here was a guy who was sucker punched at the hands of a past love .. but that did not have much of an impact on him as in he did not look like he came out VICTOR .. he was still a NERD .. A NEEDY GUY .. if he fell in love once again .. the poor guy would not recover ..

It basically all boiled down to .. MANI = MURLI = NERDY RAMAN

So lets c .. did they speak today .. yes they did ..
They also used the fabled word .. LOVE

BUT they were MAUN yet again ...

She did not ask him ... DO V DESERVE A SECOND CHANCE ..
he did NOT SAY .. BUT life changes a person .. & the person i am TODAY .. i cAN LOVE .. cause i am not the MAN I WAS BEFORE ...

She did not ask him .. this lightness .. this desire .. this flirting .. what did it hide .. did it hide love .. a changed relation status ...

He did not ask her ... who deserves a second chance .. are u talking about Mani or US ...

Even as he shouted at her the same day .. he said .. there are enuf problems in our life ...

He did not say .. what those problems were .. HER LOVE LIFE LAY SUSPENDED .. cause she did not have to courage to say .. I LOVE U .. & she was worrying about Shagun's love life ..

She did not ask him .. why is my life TROUBLED .. i apparently have it all ..

They maintained MAUNVRAT in the morning ... & they continued their MAUNVRAT into the day ...

This is the story of MAUNVRAT ... 😳

when will maunvrat end? .. when there is an ability to trust in self .. or when the love is threatened .. 😉

And as this discussion wound down between the 2 ... there was a knock on the door ... & there stood THREAT ...

Mani > Murli > Nerdy Raman this was SO ... not part of the calculation ...


Now lets look at REFLECTIONS ...

She spoke to Raman's reflection in the mirror ... reflection is artistically shown as the past in creative world ... she spoke to the man who she thot still loves his past ... because she was not speaking to the man .. but his reflection...
Similarly . Raman was staring at his computer screen & answering while . looking at his vague reflection . a very hazy picture comes out when u see urself in the reflection of ur computer monitor ...


Now just pause for a moment here ...

The other day after MiMi roka .. he lifted her face & told her to look in his eyes & say .. she did not love him .. she could not answer him...

To talk feelings they both will have to look at each other .. they will need to SEE EACH OTHER .. & not see a reflection of the person ..

She will need to FACE the fact that he is LONG OVER HIS PAST .. & he is LOOKING AT HER >> HIS FUTURE ..

He will need to FACE THE FACT ... that she loves RAMAN / RAAVAN / NERDY RAMAN ... the COMPLETE MAN ... he will have to see THAT HE COMES FIRST In her AFFECTIONS ...
HE will need to FACE her to see SHE IS FACING HIM .. HER FUTURE ...

This marriage started in a small coffee shop . where they pledged to each other 7 times .. SIRF RUHI KE LIYE ... They kept looking at each other that night in the cafe & repeated the words like a mantra .. SIRF RUHI KE LIYE .. They will need to FACE EACH OTHER AGAIN ... & see in each others eyes ... it was so not about SIRF RUHI KE LIYE ...


So a seemingly .. nondescript episode ..packed so much REAL ROMANCE in it ... yes it was all about MAUNVRATS & REFLECTIONS ...

but what do they say .. the winds have turned tide ... the winds of change just blew in thru the door of IYER HOUSE ... 😉




Theres a lot of other pointers in the episode .. but am totally pooped to write today .. will try penning my thots later this week ..




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Posted: 10 years ago
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You are up still. Didnot expect this coming after LU post.

Thanks a lot!!!
Will read and will update


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Take a bow take a bow!!! This post was a pleasant surprise!!!

You Connected the dots so well. I loved how you joined the maunvrat moments.
Its a great pleasure to read ur posts after the episode. It makes me understand a lot better and fall inlove with the show more.
The explanation you gave for Raman's sentence yesterday is very nice - about love life/ shagun love life.
Never thought about it that way.

Did not get why Raman's answer to ishita until you gave the in depth meaning of it.
I still didnot get Why he announced that he will not do the mistake again about falling in love second time... So i initially didnot think he was talking abt mani. Still didnot get it why he related it to himself now.( which again ishita misunderstood )

Clearly communication is a major problem with this couple. And we are lucky to have you here in This YHM forum. Thanks dear!!!
Edited by KK2926 - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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A very thought provoking post. will respond once I ponder your points however will definitely agree that despite "talking" to each other MAUNVRAT is being practiced by both Raman and Ishita!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Brilliant beyond words, Ruby. The way you correlate and connect a word...a line...to so many different past incidents and scenes, its simply amazing..👏 You are truly gifted...

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Communication, in the real sense, is hugely missing in their relationship. They can talk about everyone else, and resolve issues of their family members and everyone around them... except their own. Their past baggages--failed relationships and betrayal, causing their insecurities and fear of being rejected by the other, their desperate need for some sign, some assurance from the other before taking a step forward, all this makes them hesitant in moving forward to the next stage. They have reached a kind of comfort zone in their relationship where each understands the other inside out, their moods, their temper and their behaviour...they see everything except their inner-most feelings..and they are happy to remain in this comfort zone..

From where they began their journey, to where they are at now, they have indeed made huge progress..step by step, block by block..building trust, respect, admiration, concern, sense of protection, a willing togetherness..but when it comes to love, passion, desire, intimacy, there is a big gap that they still need to bridge, to be in sync..

We, as viewers, have witnessed traces of his awareness of his own feelings, his desire for Ishita.."aisa kya ho gaya, cactus gulab lag raha hai"...likewise, we have witnessed Ishita's self-introspection and almost admitting to her own feelings.."Aur ab jo kuch Raman ne kiya, uske baad mujhe unse pya..." But when it comes to the two, they are still not quite at the place where they can be sure of the other's feelings...yet..

ISHITA heard him tell Mihir to help Shagun move on in her life, so that he can carry on peacefully with his own life..she was happy to see that he had put a closure to his past, and was ready to move on ahead..which gave an opening for her heart to accept him as her own..but moving on does not necessarily mean stopping to love someone, does it? Maybe he is still not ready to accept another person's love, to love another person with all his heart like he once did..and maybe he will never be able to..this is her dilemma..with the entry of her best friend, she saw another side of him that she had never seen before..jealousy..and boy! was she thrilled to see it or what! But that led to nowhere..things went back to normal between them..her friend's words provoked her to talk to Raman about the possibility of second chances in love..and like you explained so well, Ruby, while she meant it with him and her in mind, he assumed she was talking about Mani, her nerdy friend, who he presumed to have failed in love the first time..and hence his response, that the poor guy may not be able to take a second blow, so its best that he doesn't...so once again, she did not get the desired inlet and encouragement that she was looking for...Added to her own insecurities and experience with her past rejection, she is unable to move forward with her own feelings..

RAMAN saw her getting crazy jealous during the Sanjana fiasco..that gave him an opening...the courage to go ahead and confront her about her feelings for him..but she backed out, denied everything he said..he witnessed her in the balcony talking to herself, and although he did not listen to what she was saying, he was fairly positive it was concerning her growing feelings for him, and he again confronted her about it in the car, wanted to confirm with her that he was indeed right about it..but she backed out of it once again, and said she didn't mean any of it the way it seemed.. another blockage..

Both of them are stumbling with their own growing feelings for the other..while he hides behind his taunts and jokes, she is still in denial and keeps herself busy with everything and everyone else around her..Is there any doubt that they will need a third party to push them to realize their own feelings and to admit their love for one another?
Edited by escapeworld - 10 years ago
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Awesome post Ruby 👏 can't imagine how you can pen down your thoughts so beautifully and coherently 👍🏼 😳
I like the pace at which the story is unfolding... and much as many of us feel Ishita is strange to believe that Raman could still love Shagun, I think it's just natural. Also I guess it helps they showed that yesterday and today they'll show Raman getting affected by Mani... So in a way both of them will head into the confession phase with wrong notions and when they clear it all up, it's going to interesting to see how the creatives go about it.. so interesting days ahead 😊
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I don't know how I missed this.
Can you please add me to your mailing list...so that I know when you post anytime other than your usual Saturday post.
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I bow to thee Ruby! 👏 How you go to such depth in connecting an episode/scene to the Raman-Ishita's journey, always amazes me. It's a talent.
And how beautifully you have weaved all those MaunVrat moments...moments of unasked, unanswered feelings...though they have covered a lot ground in their relationship, ...they still stand at the threshold of the unknown, the uncertainty of the other person's feelings towards themselves...they have glimpses of promise...but the fear of unrequited love revisited, of rejection, hinders their open communication. They talk about love ...of second chances...but indirectly.
Love, love how you make us think!
For me in today's episode, the thing that caught my attention was Ishita's reflection of their 'moments'. Each of them is all about the moment of their romantic intimacy, not of Raman, the caring guy...but Raman the guy who makes her heart flutter with his proximity, with his touch. She wonders whether his changed behavior, his smile are because of her, for her...but then her self doubts creeps in, she feels "raman loves shagun"...she had felt his apparent indifference too on the evening of Mani's party...hence her dilemma ..battle between what her heart feels and her brain tells her.
I don't know whether I made sense...I sometimes ramble 😆
Thank you darling! I feel privileged to appear in your post...made my day😃
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I have never mentioned this before, but your insights into a particular episode or a specific moment are very thought-provoking. Many a times, I have interpreted a scene in it's literal sense and it isn't until I read your post that I see it in a completely different light.
I absolutely loved this post, your interpretations to the word MAUNVRAT and REFLECTIONS and how you tied to the unsaid things between Raman and Ishita was simply beautiful. Thank you. 😊
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Dear girl, take a bow - again LOVED your brilliant take on the maunvrat.

But UGH what a day to make the post - I am house hopping today for the festivities and havent been able to think and type coherently

So please excuse me if there is a totally bizarre flow in what I have written down today

If we observe from where their journey begins - they have always given what the other wants - once they know the others wish -directly or indirectly by overhearing

The first words they speak to each other - she says what she expects, and he says it albeit rudely (hamare yahan please and thank you ka riwaz hai- something like that, and he says, ya right, thanks)

A simple request - granted.

She asked and he gave. The relationship began right there and there was no Ruhi as a reason then

Then they met at the clinic - he saw the bond between his daughter and this woman. He was surprised that she knew his daughter - but he did notice the bond between the two. The dumb charades between them showed how well they could communicate without words.

Again her deepest desire was to be a mother, a wish he fulfilled. Despite his general hatred towards women, he knew deep inside that she would be a good mother and recommended her to the adoption agency. But that unfortunately fell through and he agreed to get married to her for Ruhi. Yes, his father gave him the idea, and Ruhi did choose her mother, but what did push him into it was the trust that she will be a good mother.

They agreed to get married for Ruhi - someone who is in the heart of both. Someone who has interlocked their lives and their hearts. Their hearts were already joined.

For him, he wanted a family - someone to keep his daughter happy and secure. She provided it. (He tells this to Shagun too, that Ishita has brought peace in his life)

Someone who takes care of his parents and siblings the way he does. She provided it.

These are unspoken requests, yet understood and fulfilled.

His deepest fear came out in his semi-conscious state - she helped him see the truth

He tells his mother, he wants his daughter to feel he is the best father, she provides him that happiness time and again - the speech she writes for Ruhi about her father, and later when Ashok and Shagun use Ruhi.

During the Param fiasco, when she was leaving the house, she looked at him with questioning eyes, did he not trust her. He proved it to her by showing Param's face to the family.

Its when they don't communicate (the maunvrat) that things begin to disrupt their peace.

The accident track, when he hands over the Ruhi's bag to him, she hands over the trust that she has over him. He knows he is breaking it and the thought tortures him

That's when she first words her misunderstanding that she believes Raman still loves Shagun. She tells him so but he doesn't refute it. Had they been facing each other at that time, they could have read the angst that both were going through. A communication would have happened to settle the matter once and for all.

Also In the party sequence, she hears what he tells Shagun - no one can give me the happiness that you gave me. She knows, it's the truth. Asks him too, that if that is what he wanted he could have married someone else.

He doesn't refute it and says, the two things are different. Had he cleared her misunderstanding she would have been bolder to take a step towards him.

Unfortunately the feeling of insecurity has already increased in her by now along with a sense of dejection that she cannot be the woman he needs, cannot fulfill all his desires. Desires that she thought he wanted.

They did more for each other at every step - license, the bidding sequence etc -each understanding what the other wants. Not as Ruhi's parents but as partners for life, for the self-respect of the other, just to make the other happy and proud.

Both of them talk about how failure of first love hurts. He tells Pehle pyar ke maine sab ke liye alag hote hain.

Though she clearly tells she is over Subbu, he doesn't clarify at that time.

Raman fell in love with Shagun at first sight. He practically worshipped her and wanted to do everything for her, however impossible the circumstances were for him

Was he really in love with Shagun, that's a vital question?

Because falling in love is the easier part. Being in love is the hard one.

You can fall in love, have your heart flip whenever you look at the person, think about them 24x7, be so lost in admiration that you weave your own hazy tale of love - which unfortunately breaks ones day if you are not IN LOVE

Falling in love may make one blind but being in love opens your eyes to the world around you.

So he is in love, not with Shagun but with Ishita. First he fell in love with Ishita as Ruhi's mom but slowly he is attracted to her and is in love with the woman Ishita(the fracture sequence) and not just Ruhi's mom. The fact that his daughter loves her too only seals the bond even tighter.

During a conversation about decking up and looking good, she tells him if this is what you wanted; you should have brought a perfect wife. He says, I had a perfect one, but this imperfect is enough for me. Because true love doesn't expect perfection. Even if it did - Shagun's perfect beauty caught his attention, but Ishita's perfect character caught his heart.

Again during the fracture sequence, hadn't he backtracked taking Ruhi's name, probably she would have let her heart speak. Her eyes spoke volumes at that moment

Also now living together isnt just enough, they both want to BE together. The physical attraction has deepened.

During the Post-Sanjana discussion she looks down when speaking her mind as she knows her eyes wont lie.Wont be able to hide how much she is already in love with him, her man- not Ruhi's father.

His proximity almost makes her blurt out, but again she looks away while speaking to him. Not wanting him to read her eyes.

Both are confused and scared to take the next step as both are scared of rejection. Both seek assurance from the other to move ahead. Till then they want to appear comfortable with the current status.

At that moment, she questions her physical response to him but doesn't wonder on his reaction to her. Else she would have got the answer.

He is aware of her attraction towards him but prefers to wait for her to acknowledge it.

Then they talk about taking second chances at love. Again had she not taken Mani's name he would know she was talking about them. The response would have been different. But taking Mani's name only increased the jealousy and made him give an answer which makes her assume he doesn't want to take chances in love

Also he tells he doesn't want to fall in love again. Because he is in love with her. Ishita.

For him, she IS his first true love, his pehla pyar.

She tells Mani, what does one want from marriage, care, security and he has already given it to her in spades. What more does one ask in a marriage? But she needs to ask him the right question. Tell what she really wants from him

TELL him that she wants his love and nothing less than that will do.

Many times they didn't ask the right question because they are afraid they will not be able to handle the answer and they prefer to be silent about them' again.

But jealously isn't going to keep him silent anymore, esp when he sees Mani is not just some chusa hua aam.. He will be pushed to speak his heart out, Out of fear of losing her. Losing his pehla pyar.

By losing her, I mean- not physically apart but emotionally. She will never leave him, never because of Ruhi. She will compromise and stay but he will not want that because he wants her to live with him, for HIM, because he loves her. He wants them to live together for love and not as a compromise anymore.

Listen and silent have the same letters, rearranged. They need to rearrange their mode of communication - rearrange silent to listen. Once they listen they will break the silence. Break the self assured complacency in their relationship. Mani's entry is going to break his silence and make her listen.

Edited by swathibalan - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Regarding theit conversation about falling in love a second time, I was surprised by his dialogue I won't make the same mistake twice. It appeared like he was talking about himself which was quite surprising.
And yeah I also wondered what he meant by is there less problems in your life wala comment when he was yelling at her. She never asked what he meant either. I wish the writers won't make us guess everything😆
Edited by BIaddict - 10 years ago
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Ruby, you are Master in connecting dots. And it is our good fortune that we get to read it. It makes tp fall in love over & over again with the show, Ishra reading your posts.
Like Mani told Ishita, waiting period till confession is enjoyable.. Which we audience too are but it gives more gudgudi, flutter to me reading your take.

Ruby Raman did say he won't fall in love again. Won't make that mistake again. What was that?

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