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Posted: 10 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: KK2926

Ruby

You are up still. Didnot expect this coming after LU post.

Thanks a lot!!!
Will read and will update


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Take a bow take a bow!!! This post was a pleasant surprise!!!

You Connected the dots so well. I loved how you joined the maunvrat moments.
Its a great pleasure to read ur posts after the episode. It makes me understand a lot better and fall inlove with the show more.
The explanation you gave for Raman's sentence yesterday is very nice - about love life/ shagun love life.
Never thought about it that way.

Did not get why Raman's answer to ishita until you gave the in depth meaning of it.
I still didnot get Why he announced that he will not do the mistake again about falling in love second time... So i initially didnot think he was talking abt mani. Still didnot get it why he related it to himself now.( which again ishita misunderstood )

Clearly communication is a major problem with this couple. And we are lucky to have you here in This YHM forum. Thanks dear!!!



Thank u love ... i realised it was the 250th episode .. & cudnt let it go without a few words 😉
Ok ask away ... what did u not understand ...
One kostin ... Do u think Raman is in love with Ishita?

i ask this Ques yet again ...

After the first rain hug .. why did he say .. I love you .. if it was for SIRF RUHI KE LIYE .. then why say it in a whisper when Ruhi was 3 floors up ...

Someone try answering this .. its a beautiful reason ...

Heres Food for thot ... Why did Raman ask Ishita .. Are u in love with me? also why did he tell her .. one day u will admit this to me ...

A person who does not believe in love .. who said he can't fall in love .. does not really want to talk love .. why does he want ISHITA to be in love with him ?


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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Autumn.

Ruby, you are Master in connecting dots. And it is our good fortune that we get to read it. It makes tp fall in love over & over again with the show, Ishra reading your posts.

Like Mani told Ishita, waiting period till confession is enjoyable.. Which we audience too are but it gives more gudgudi, flutter to me reading your take.

Ruby Raman did say he won't fall in love again. Won't make that mistake again. What was that?



Since its the same ques .. BIaddict .. here goes the answer ...

Who is he talking about ... he is talking about Mani = Murli = Nerdy raman ...

the man who felt debilated at the hands of love ... the man who was ruined by an all consuming love ... a man who had more or less an all consuming love .. THIS IS THE MAN WHO LOVED MORE THAN HE RECEIVED .. THIS IS THE MAN WHO HAD AN OBSESSIVE (BORDERLINE) .. LOVE ... THIS MAN MADE LOVE OF A WOMAN HIS LIFE ...even at the exclusion of his FAMILY ... Shagun's love changed this man ... to a bitter reflection of what he was ... a complete & content family man ...
this man should never fall in love .. coz this man will meet the same fate ( this is according to raman)

But this man does not exist ... this is the man RAMAN has obliterated from his existence ... the man who has emerged ... is a different man ...

Note how he says .. chussa hua aam ko kissi ne chuss ke chilka bahar phek diya hoga .. woh love ki advice de raha hai ... laanat hai ...

But there is a raman now ... who understands the purity of love as well .. a love which is not debilating but uplifting ( license track) ... a love which embraces the whole . does not alienate ( the accident track & Ishita's ability to embrace Adi) ... a love which does not CONSUME .. but makes him SMILE ... a love which is not OBSESSIVE .. but she is the most important person of his life ... a love which does not break .. but joins .. a love which is sharing .. not just giving ...

This is the man who asked her .. DO U NOT LOVE ME ? this is the man who said .. one day u will accept ur feelings to me ...

He has spoken of this love .. during the Mihir engagement dance to Shagun .. when he tells her .. I LEARNED LOVE AT THE HANDS OF ISHITA ..
It was ironical the woman who taught him love .. was the one asking him about love ...

Now lets look at the word which prompted all this .. SECOND CHANCE .. what is second chance .. she asked him .. DO U THINK a PERSON can get LOVE A SECOND TIME ... wht happens in a second chance .. why do u get a second chance .. u get it to CORRECT PAST MISTAKES .. to Do things differently the second time around .. thats what ur writer is trying to tell u .. when she says Second Chance ...

But the most interesting thing is ... Raman kind of rubbished second chance of love ... hmm interesting right .. just hold on to this thot .. won't explain this as off now .. but yes its imp.. 😳

Raman comes with the baggage of his past .. a past where the love he felt was rejected .. he carried his heart on his sleeve for the woman to see .. when he did that what happened .. she rubbed his love in his face & walked away ... he always kept saying what i can't give in material i will compensate in love ... but the woman in front rejected the love for material ..
To him he LOVED far more than he RECEIVED ..
He is the one who SPOKE LOVE ... while his erst while partner NEVER SPOKE THE WORDS ..

Now he is at a juncture .. where he is in love ... but he will never accept it .. he may find it very difficult to say it ... & when he does say it .. he will take it back ... simply coz he cannot be that NEEDY NERDY RAMAN .. who is panting at the foot of his wife ... that man was ruined ..

This is the man .. who craves his WIFE's love .. he craves that his WIFE comes out & says the words to him ... this is the man who gave all kinds of material comfort to his new wife ... but has held back on love ... because he feels MATERIAL WILL HOLD HER TO HIM >> WHILE LOVE CAN ALIENATE .. Now go back to the Karwa chauth sequence & their fight ... she says .. i don't want material things from u ... he while she is doing puja .. thinks of his past with Shagun .. where only material mattered ..

There are differences between the 2 ..which makes him love her ... but he will find it very difficult to say the WORDS & ACCEPT the words he speaks ...

UNTILL UNTILL UNTILL that LOVE is THREATENED ...
In the past his love was threatened & he lost that love .. cause he did not FIGHT for that love .. this time .. this love is PURE .. its uplifting ... when this love is THREATENED what do u think he will do ... will he fight .. or not ... all indications show he is ALREADY FIGHTING .. the phone call last nite .. the fist he showed to Romi ... all shows he is fighting ..

This would be a lovely time to ponder .. this is a man who BEGGED for his last love .. he did not FIGHT ... today he is FIGHTING ... makes u go back to the dialog right ... Pahle pyaar ka matlab sab ke liye alag hota hai ... makes u ask the question ... HOW MUCH DOES HE LOVE ISHITA ... HOW MUCH DID HE LOVE SHAGUN ...

was it the difference of a youthful first burst of passion .. versus .. a mature deeper passion of soul mates ... 😳😳



Edited by redwine1 - 10 years ago
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I almost missed this 😲

Crap I missed page 1


Okay now that I sulked that out I have to say APT title Ruby - like I said last night on LU this couple has ALWAYS been attracted to each other... the day they cross paths for the first time... she influenced him even when he merely hears her...she has had the power to change him from that first moment.

He later came across this woman time and again - first she was a neighbor he dint bother to give a second glance, next his daughter' doctor...slowly she started becoming a more prominent person in his life as their interactions became more frequent - he proclaimed when he met her he cant stand her, he agreed to marry her and in the privacy of his room said he has lost it for having done so...but this same man also in a drunken bout landed at the doorstep of his ex and proclaimed I have found a MOTHER for my Ruhi and she is worth a 1000 of you...and I am glad she will be raising my daughter... he mocked her, ran from her, shirked her BUT couldn't help but NOTICE her... what he could tell in his drunken moment to his ex even before they were married took him months and a move by the very woman to say it to her face - I am glad you are raising Ruhi, when the woman who gave birth to his children for her own selfish reasons killed the last bit of respect he could hold for her even as the mother of his children... NOW he cant be polite to her, he can help her, can save her but yes she has lost any trace of respect he could muster for her - the mother of his children... all that he can do for her now and does still is because she has his son, the child precious to him and the child who in essence is all alone.

So why did I basically write all this - because even before he accepted this woman as his wife, his life-partner... even before he started getting conscious of the fact that with the simmering attraction he has felt for this woman now he has started having feelings for her or holding her in his affections is the fact - he accepted her as the mother of his daughter, first and foremost.

She when she agreed to meet him in the coffeeshop and agreed for this marriage with the clause - Sirf Ruhi Ke Liye - spoke I fell in love and I can't help it, you are the FATHER of the child who now holds my heart...

She acknowledged him as Ruhi' father first and foremost as well.

Recently she spoke - Ruhi is more her daughter, she thinks her wajood, is because of her now. What is her wajood today - her identity - she is a mother, a daughter-in-law, a sister-in-law and a wife - the order in which things happened for her, the order in which she accepted her various roles. Though slow and steady the thing that came at the end has now gained the numero uno spot - now she says she is someone' wife, someone' mother She is now Mrs. Ishita Raman Bhalla...and all of that is courtesy of Ruhi - she is all she is today because of that little girl - this woman who admitted I thought I would never have anything today I have it all - no wonder she attributed the source of her identity to that child.

The first MAJOR hurdle that came their way immediately after their marriage was when the man felt the child who is his reason to live isn't his flesh and blood - she learned of this issue and the doubt didn't even take root in her mind - why? Because she observed how the daughter is a REFLECTION of her father...she is so ALIKE him - the child who holds her heart is a splitting image of her father in almost everything... she found Raman in Ruhi in a matter of days when for years he SAW Shagun in her because of her face...

She eliminated his doubt and the words he spoke that day as he hugged his daughter were - Hum Jeet Gaye - We Won. Cause they truly had won after all - they had found each other, but more importantly they weren't alone anymore - for now their little family was complete - he had a wife, she had a mother.

In finding the similarities between the daddy-daughter duo - Ishita established a place for Raman in her heart - how could she not? Ruhi is an extension of him after all.

In gaining back his daughter via the truth he found Ruhi' mother in Ishita eliminating Shagun' trace completely from his mind, making him see BEYOND the appearance of his child... and when he did that he found beneath that appearance - she is his...and now slowly she is taking after the woman raising her as her own... from that day on he had NO reason to hold back the love he ALWAYS had for his daughter in his heart, his child never had to pine for him from thereon.

He never asked her how she learned of his plight, she NEVER explained it as well... so yeah Silence was established pretty early on in this marriage - cos these people realized Silence was better than words any day, opening those gates would and could wreak HAVOC. it was established that day they would be by each other, for each other but NO COMMUNICATION SHALL BE MADE. Nothing would be addressed, things would be brushed under the carpet - why because they married for Ruhi - for her they shall keep a united front but they shall be separate entities in their privacy...kinda like the Mahabharata - where the policy of the clan was - amidst us it shall always be 5 vs. 100 BUT should an outsider try to gain advantage of this we shall be 105 vs. all of those..

The first challenge post that came in the form of the Param fiasco where she seeked him, his trust over everyone else' and while he stood mute and hurt her for a while, ultimately he came for her..because by then they were a unit...they just realized how strong and close they could be then..he came to get her back on Ruhi' insistence - the one person who is their shield and she came back because he was the ONE person she wanted to come back to, the one person she wanted to ask her to do it.

Slow and steady they crossed other hurdles -each trying to tear them apart - but ultimately each bringing them even closer, making them cling onto each other even more...

They had to give a NAME though to this growing reliance, this deepening bond - he acknowledged it by saying, yelling, roaring to her and everyone else alike - stunning everyone including him when he spoke the words - Biwi ho tum meri, Meri Biwi... she transcended from being the mother of his child to his wife..the one woman he needed more than anyone else in his mind - the woman he couldn't and wouldn't let go off even if SHE asked it of him; Nahi Chhodunga, Biwi ho Tum Meri .

She started calling him a friend .

Note how he has NEVER said the friend word for her; how it was she who realized later and had goosebumps as she did so when she acknowledged - he is her husband, she has started to think of this man...

Now is it any wonder that a FRIEND, A BEST FRIEND at that comes to wake them up and shake the equations ..who in his own way has started prodding and probing Ishita already as he asked her Do you love your husband? This man doesn't beat around the bush now does he? I like that 😆

It is this man who somehow makes them have the first conversation where the word LOVE even if in the context of a third party comes up between them, this man makes them face the question - Is it possible to LOVE AGAIN?

The man who is referred to as Shani already by Raman makes them reflect upon it at least..and as they do so, they are each looking at their reflections - she in a mirror and he on his laptop... when it comes to each other - she sees his reflection and hence still associates him with his past, he is facing away from her - secure in a way of things in her life...he isn't LOOKING at her, searching her for answers even when she is doing it in regards to him.

Is it any wonder then that they each are in their own bubble - they are lost in their own minds even when they are with each other, there is no one else in the room besides them, they are in their bedroom but they are still on parallel grounds. Hence the lines in the FB last night - ek nadi ke dono jaise kinare hai - the word jaise holds the key here - like two banks of a river - those two banks are parallel and can never meet as they have a river between them - they are together and yet apart - these two are LIKE those banks and NOT two banks...they would eventually meet, they have to come together - do haseen tan man ka yeh haseen bandhan hai... but until then they would continue to be apart like those banks those kinaras.

The answers and questions they seek have yet not presented themselves because - no one is asking the RIGHT questions or ANY questions or even if one is asked it is brushed aside and pushed under - the answers are not there... for this they have to speak up but for any of that they have to look inside their own hearts to do so...

The question raised because of a friend would make her finally admit he is MORE than a friend to her...the threat posed because of the same said friend would push him to the extent that he would want to, have to open up his heart and in the process hers as well as it would break the silent barrier that he too has allowed to exist between them and over his own heart and feelings.

They would have to finally LISTEN to their hearts.

Because right now even when it is saying things to them they arent listening to it... there is Khamoshi yet there but when finally they would those silences would start humming... Khamoshiyaan gunghunane lagengi but until then the path they are on reminds me of a beautiful, beautiful soothing track by Lataji


Kuch Dil Ne Kaha


Kuch Dil Ne Kahaa, Kuch Bhi Nahiin
Kuch Dil Ne Suna, Kuch Bhi Nahiin
Aisi Bhi Baatein Hoti Hain
Aisi Bhi Baatein Hoti Hain
Kuch Dil Ne Kahaa, Kuch Bhi Nahiin

Leta Hai Dil Angadaaiyaan, Is Dil Ko Samjhaaye Koi
Armaan Naa Aankhen Khol De, Rusvaa Naa Ho Jaaye Koi
Palakon Ki Thandi Sej Par, Sapano Ki Pariyaan Soti Hain
Aisi Bhi Baatein Hoti Hain
Aisi Bhi Baatein Hoti Hain
Kuchha Dila Ne Kahaa, Kuchha Bhinahin

Dila Ki Tassali Ke Liye, Jhuuthii Chamaka Jhuuth Nikhaara
Jiivana To Suunaa Hi Rahaa, Saba Samajhe Aayi Bahaara
Kaliyon Se Koi Puuchhataa, Hansati Hain Yaa Rotii Hain
Aisii Bhi Baaten Hoti Hain
Aisii Bhi Baaten Hoti Hain
Kuch Dil Ne Kahaa, Kuch Bhi Nahin
Kuch Dil Ne Suna, Kuch Bhi Nahiin.

For those who have hindi issues here is a translation of the song

My heart said something; yet, it was nothing at all.
My heart said something; yet, it was nothing at all.
Such things happen in life.
My heart has become restless in anticipation ; may someone please make it stop
I hope that my desires do not cause my eyes to open and bring about disgrace,
For the dream-fairies remain asleep on the cool bed of my eyelids.
Such things happen in life.
For my heart's satisification, I have adorned myself in this false glitter and shine.
Though it remains empty, everyone assumes that spring has arrived in my life.
Yet, no one has bothered to ask the flowerbuds whether they are smiling or crying.
Such things happen in life.

My heart said something; yet, it was nothing at all.

a vid of the song where the music is barely there since the words and voice of Lataji is more than enough

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69dnqIFfrnE[/YOUTUBE]

Edited by EkPaheli - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: redwine1



Since its the same ques .. BIaddict .. here goes the answer ...

Who is he talking about ... he is talking about Mani = Murli = Nerdy raman ...

the man who felt debilated at the hands of love ... the man who was ruined by an all consuming love ... a man who had more or less an all consuming love .. THIS IS THE MAN WHO LOVED MORE THAN HE RECEIVED .. THIS IS THE MAN WHO HAD AN OBSESSIVE (BORDERLINE) .. LOVE ... THIS MAN MADE LOVE OF A WOMAN HIS LIFE ...even at the exclusion of his FAMILY ... Shagun's love changed this man ... to a bitter reflection of what he was ... a complete & content family man ...
this man should never fall in love .. coz this man will meet the same fate ( this is according to raman)

But this man does not exist ... this is the man RAMAN has obliterated from his existence ... the man who has emerged ... is a different man ...

Note how he says .. chussa hua aam ko kissi ne chuss ke chilka bahar phek diya hoga .. woh love ki advice de raha hai ... laanat hai ...

But there is a raman now ... who understands the purity of love as well .. a love which is not debilating but uplifting ( license track) ... a love which embraces the whole . does not alienate ( the accident track & Ishita's ability to embrace Adi) ... a love which does not CONSUME .. but makes him SMILE ... a love which is not OBSESSIVE .. but she is the most important person of his life ... a love which does not break .. but joins .. a love which is sharing .. not just giving ...

This is the man who asked her .. DO U NOT LOVE ME ? this is the man who said .. one day u will accept ur feelings to me ...

He has spoken of this love .. during the Mihir engagement dance to Shagun .. when he tells her .. I LEARNED LOVE AT THE HANDS OF ISHITA ..
It was ironical the woman who taught him love .. was the one asking him about love ...

Now lets look at the word which prompted all this .. SECOND CHANCE .. what is second chance .. she asked him .. DO U THINK a PERSON can get LOVE A SECOND TIME ... wht happens in a second chance .. why do u get a second chance .. u get it to CORRECT PAST MISTAKES .. to Do things differently the second time around .. thats what ur writer is trying to tell u .. when she says Second Chance ...

But the most interesting thing is ... Raman kind of rubbished second chance of love ... hmm interesting right .. just hold on to this thot .. won't explain this as off now .. but yes its imp.. 😳

Raman comes with the baggage of his past .. a past where the love he felt was rejected .. he carried his heart on his sleeve for the woman to see .. when he did that what happened .. she rubbed his love in his face & walked away ... he always kept saying what i can't give in material i will compensate in love ... but the woman in front rejected the love for material ..
To him he LOVED far more than he RECEIVED ..
He is the one who SPOKE LOVE ... while his erst while partner NEVER SPOKE THE WORDS ..

Now he is at a juncture .. where he is in love ... but he will never accept it .. he may find it very difficult to say it ... & when he does say it .. he will take it back ... simply coz he cannot be that NEEDY NERDY RAMAN .. who is panting at the foot of his wife ... that man was ruined ..

This is the man .. who craves his WIFE's love .. he craves that his WIFE comes out & says the words to him ... this is the man who gave all kinds of material comfort to his new wife ... but has held back on love ... because he feels MATERIAL WILL HOLD HER TO HIM >> WHILE LOVE CAN ALIENATE .. Now go back to the Karwa chauth sequence & their fight ... she says .. i don't want material things from u ... he while she is doing puja .. thinks of his past with Shagun .. where only material mattered ..

There are differences between the 2 ..which makes him love her ... but he will find it very difficult to say the WORDS & ACCEPT the words he speaks ...

UNTILL UNTILL UNTILL that LOVE is THREATENED ...
In the past his love was threatened & he lost that love .. cause he did not FIGHT for that love .. this time .. this love is PURE .. its uplifting ... when this love is THREATENED what do u think he will do ... will he fight .. or not ... all indications show he is ALREADY FIGHTING .. the phone call last nite .. the fist he showed to Romi ... all shows he is fighting ..

This would be a lovely time to ponder .. this is a man who BEGGED for his last love .. he did not FIGHT ... today he is FIGHTING ... makes u go back to the dialog right ... Pahle pyaar ka matlab sab ke liye alag hota hai ... makes u ask the question ... HOW MUCH DOES HE LOVE ISHITA ... HOW MUCH DID HE LOVE SHAGUN ...

was it the difference of a youthful first burst of passion .. versus .. a mature deeper passion of soul mates ... 😳😳




OMG... This response is even better than the post!!! Ruby you are gifted.. 👏👏👏

I absolutely love the way you string the pearls together to make a beautiful narration.. I normally never reply on threads but your genius forces me to acknowledge your posts 😊👏

Thank you for all the patience and keep them coming 👍🏼
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OMG.. Ruby..Your response is even better than the post itself... 👏
You are outstanding in connecting the dots and the way you string all the pearls together into a beautiful narration is just mindblowing and completely fascinating to read.. I have remained a silent member for years but your sheer genius forces me to acknowledge your posts..

Thanks for all the patience and keep them coming.. 👏😊👍🏼
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oops!! dunno how it came twice! sorry
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SERIOUSLY THANK U GUYS ..
THE ENCOURAGEMENT I RECEIVE HERE MAKES ME PEN .. so keep it coming ..


Now i would seriously urge all of u to try penning ur thots on this question ...

  • Why did Raman first whisper I LOVE YOU Ishita .. on the night of Rain hug?
  • Why did Raman whisper I love you Ishita on that night in their bedroom ?

Try answering this as we move to the finale .. finale of confession ... the moment u get that ..I promise u ... u will fall in love with YHM once again ...

Edited by redwine1 - 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: GanBarunFan

Res

I don't know how I missed this.
Can you please add me to your mailing list...so that I know when you post anytime other than your usual Saturday post.
~edited
I bow to thee Ruby! 👏 How you go to such depth in connecting an episode/scene to the Raman-Ishita's journey, always amazes me. It's a talent.
And how beautifully you have weaved all those MaunVrat moments...moments of unasked, unanswered feelings...though they have covered a lot ground in their relationship, ...they still stand at the threshold of the unknown, the uncertainty of the other person's feelings towards themselves...they have glimpses of promise...but the fear of unrequited love revisited, of rejection, hinders their open communication. They talk about love ...of second chances...but indirectly.
Love, love how you make us think!
For me in today's episode, the thing that caught my attention was Ishita's reflection of their 'moments'. Each of them is all about the moment of their romantic intimacy, not of Raman, the caring guy...but Raman the guy who makes her heart flutter with his proximity, with his touch. She wonders whether his changed behavior, his smile are because of her, for her...but then her self doubts creeps in, she feels "raman loves shagun"...she had felt his apparent indifference too on the evening of Mani's party...hence her dilemma ..battle between what her heart feels and her brain tells her.
I don't know whether I made sense...I sometimes ramble 😆
Thank you darling! I feel privileged to appear in your post...made my day😃
Gandhari



Thank u ... ur pictures gave the plot away to me .. much before i watched the episode ... the lines or quote were perfect ... so i kinda had an inkling of what i would see ...

So this post is all credit to u ... i always feel what i do is kinda easy .. but i find real talent in what u do .. to convey the depth of the tale with just a few pictures .. take a bow love .. u floor me each time .. 😳

The moment each scene unfolded .. i could see frame by frame of reflections ..
Then the Maunvrat ... it really got to me ,.,, its irony was simply brilliant ... 2 people who don't really talk .. are really clammed up ... talk about Maun Vrat ..


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Originally posted by: redwine1

SERIOUSLY THANK U GUYS ..

THE ENCOURAGEMENT I RECEIVE HERE MAKES ME PEN .. so keep it coming ..


Now i would seriously urge all of u to try penning ur thots on this question ...

  • Why did Raman first whisper I LOVE YOU Ishita .. on the night of Rain hug?
  • Why did Raman whisper I love you Ishita on that night in their bedroom ?

Try answering this as we move to the finale .. finale of confession ... the moment u get that ..I promise u ... u will fall in love with YHM once again ...



Why did Raman first whisper I LOVE YOU Ishita .. on the night of Rain hug?

--> was it his way of assuring that they will be there together when things are unfavorable (signified by rain)- that was comforting aspect of love.
But as he was still not sure abt it, so he wispered

Why did Raman whisper I love you Ishita on that night in their bedroom ?

--> was it his way of reaching out to her n to eliminate her pain- caring aspect of love. He was more sure about what he spoke but still a private feeling; confined to his bedroom. .

pyaar ka ehsaas hai, kasak hai but it is still not that all encompassing love which raman, a man with soft n sensitive heart, is capable of giving.

and going by yday does it mean he is denying that 'nerdy raman' type love even today

or was he only talking about raman v1.0

or it implies that now raman v2.0 ka pyaar ka najariya change ho gaya hai?

Or the most probable conclusion- am plain confused :))

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Originally posted by: escapeworld

Brilliant beyond words, Ruby. The way you correlate and connect a word...a line...to so many different past incidents and scenes, its simply amazing..👏 You are truly gifted...

-Edited-

Communication, in the real sense, is hugely missing in their relationship. They can talk about everyone else, and resolve issues of their family members and everyone around them... except their own. Their past baggages--failed relationships and betrayal, causing their insecurities and fear of being rejected by the other, their desperate need for some sign, some assurance from the other before taking a step forward, all this makes them hesitant in moving forward to the next stage. They have reached a kind of comfort zone in their relationship where each understands the other inside out, their moods, their temper and their behaviour...they see everything except their inner-most feelings..and they are happy to remain in this comfort zone..

From where they began their journey, to where they are at now, they have indeed made huge progress..step by step, block by block..building trust, respect, admiration, concern, sense of protection, a willing togetherness..but when it comes to love, passion, desire, intimacy, there is a big gap that they still need to bridge, to be in sync..

We, as viewers, have witnessed traces of his awareness of his own feelings, his desire for Ishita.."aisa kya ho gaya, cactus gulab lag raha hai"...likewise, we have witnessed Ishita's self-introspection and almost admitting to her own feelings.."Aur ab jo kuch Raman ne kiya, uske baad mujhe unse pya..." But when it comes to the two, they are still not quite at the place where they can be sure of the other's feelings...yet..

ISHITA heard him tell Mihir to help Shagun move on in her life, so that he can carry on peacefully with his own life..she was happy to see that he had put a closure to his past, and was ready to move on ahead..which gave an opening for her heart to accept him as her own..but moving on does not necessarily mean stopping to love someone, does it? Maybe he is still not ready to accept another person's love, to love another person with all his heart like he once did..and maybe he will never be able to..this is her dilemma..with the entry of her best friend, she saw another side of him that she had never seen before..jealousy..and boy! was she thrilled to see it or what! But that led to nowhere..things went back to normal between them..her friend's words provoked her to talk to Raman about the possibility of second chances in love..and like you explained so well, Ruby, while she meant it with him and her in mind, he assumed she was talking about Mani, her nerdy friend, who he presumed to have failed in love the first time..and hence his response, that the poor guy may not be able to take a second blow, so its best that he doesn't...so once again, she did not get the desired inlet and encouragement that she was looking for...Added to her own insecurities and experience with her past rejection, she is unable to move forward with her own feelings..

RAMAN saw her getting crazy jealous during the Sanjana fiasco..that gave him an opening...the courage to go ahead and confront her about her feelings for him..but she backed out, denied everything he said..he witnessed her in the balcony talking to herself, and although he did not listen to what she was saying, he was fairly positive it was concerning her growing feelings for him, and he again confronted her about it in the car, wanted to confirm with her that he was indeed right about it..but she backed out of it once again, and said she didn't mean any of it the way it seemed.. another blockage..

Both of them are stumbling with their own growing feelings for the other..while he hides behind his taunts and jokes, she is still in denial and keeps herself busy with everything and everyone else around her..Is there any doubt that they will need a third party to push them to realize their own feelings and to admit their love for one another?
That is Mani... He has started making ishita think... Now its Raman's turn...
Some r bashing bechara Mani lyk hell...😆😆😆 But he is here to help these two idiots...😉

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