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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: redwine1


SO SO SO TRUE Aani ...

i love this love story purely because of the dichotomy & irony involved ... in any love story theres just one OBSTACLE .. here there are 2 obstacles ... THE MIND & THE HEART .. of both these 2 people ...

Its the irony of their tale that makes me palate the unpalatable ... They have such deep understanding & care for the other ... but in the MOST IMPORTANT OF ISSUES .. they both are CLUELESS ABOUT THE OTHER ...




dear winey...
wonderfully written...iam going crazy...cdnt do my work ...just reading ur post from morning...
totally addicted...
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: redwine1



BANG ON BANG ON ...

I have written pages & pages of post on this ...
We all know they secretly love each other ...but the relation is stagnant ...
we all know they trust each other ... but they don't speak frankly to each other they hide behind lies
we all know there is genuine sexual tension between these 2 ... but they hesitate with every intimacy even of a slight touch ...

These 2 have to TRUST THEMSELVES FIRST ... i have written this in the past .. to understand ISHITA's state of mind .. it is a must to see her scene with her mother during the accident track ... SHE TRULY BELIEVES TRUE LOVE IS NOT FOR HER ... & its all linked to the fact that she can't concieve .. she in her mind is HALF A WOMAN ... hence she over compensates with EXTRA CARE to people .

Raman had lost everything in love .. for him love is all encompassing ... so even though he trusts Ishita .. he says the words & back tracks on them ... till he can't trust himself on his ability to NOT LOOSE HIMSELF IN LOVE ..he will not be able to take this relation further as well ..



@ red - saw this and want to reply but don't have much time so gonna make it as short and comprehensible as possible

That was when her insecurity was the highest level during accident track when she thought she'll never get Raman's love ...it was sadness speaking, burgeoning feelings were crashing down then

Her infertility will always follow her even if Subbu married her it would have coz Ishita's deepest desire is to be a mother. Is that to say that she would not have work on her marriage there too.

More than the rejection it was her infertility the problem. She was over Subbu before the show even started IMO. Same with other men later. She was realist that no man or saas would her as she can't conceived

But then came Ruhi into her life. Ruhi helped her heal and she herself said that she gained from Ruhi more than she could ever have with Subbu. Raman came into her life, a man who is seeing her for who she is and not a reproducing machine...

But Ishita has been shown ready for matrimony with Prateek and nothing indicated that she would have not give it a full chance

Same when mihir was passing notes to mihika to say sorry and Ishita got it by mistake thinking it was Raman she was shown giddy with anticipation, a little shy, a little unsure and a little bit excited at the prospect of having a real marriage with him...and then they were only beginning being friends!!
Where are those feelings now?

As a woman even unsure of oneself, if said woman was to fall in love wouldn't she INSTINCTIVELY try to seek his attention, show little signs that she is affected by him, that she finds him attractive, that she enjoys it when he comes close to her etc (pomegranate has very well put it in one of her posts), a little shyness, awareness, anticipation? But she is passive and we get only chee

Ishita has healed Raman enough for him to try to work on their relation. Is it so wrong to expect the reverse too?

Well really need to go now. See you all later


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Posted: 11 years ago
Lol ruby I didn't know that this topic will turn into Ishita reaction vs raman reaction 😆


Did anyone said raman is right to hide about shagun Mihir relattion from ishita. Nope everyone r saying he is wrong but at the same time it's not raman it's more Mihir secret and here Mihir should take initiative and more than ishita mihika has right ro know and more than raman Mihir should take initiative. Raman already open up about his life and his secret in front of ishita and Iyer's and shagun secret must be Mihir call not raman
Whenever raman was asked to keep secret he keep it himself only
Eg. Accident track, ishita name and her weird behaviour after anesthesia. Same here Mihir doesn't want to reveal it he is not saying it. He will support Mihir when he want to open up about thar
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: ...EhSaas...

Lol ruby I didn't know that this topic will turn into Ishita reaction vs raman reaction 😆


Did anyone said raman is right to hide about shagun Mihir relattion from ishita. Nope everyone r saying he is wrong but at the same time it's not raman it's more Mihir secret and here Mihir should take initiative and more than ishita mihika has right ro know and more than raman Mihir should take initiative. Raman already open up about his life and his secret in front of ishita and Iyer's and shagun secret must be Mihir call not raman
Whenever raman was asked to keep secret he keep it himself only
Eg. Accident track, ishita name and her weird behaviour after anesthesia. Same here Mihir doesn't want to reveal it he is not saying it. He will support Mihir when he want to open up about thar



NAHIIINNN ( totally Serial style mien bola)


That question was not about Raman against Ishita ... but this topic will come up .. & this topic will actually spark a discussion between the 2 .. abhi waala kaand will result in shouting match ... but this one will spark the dialog

Isilye i mentioned it ..
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Posted: 11 years ago



@ red - saw this and want to reply but don't have much time so gonna make it as short and comprehensible as possible

That was when her insecurity was the highest level during accident track when she thought she'll never get Raman's love ...it was sadness speaking, burgeoning feelings were crashing down then

Her infertility will always follow her even if Subbu married her it would have coz Ishita's deepest desire is to be a mother. Is that to say that she would not have work on her marriage there too.

More than the rejection it was her infertility the problem. She was over Subbu before the show even started IMO. Same with other men later. She was realist that no man or saas would her as she can't conceived

But then came Ruhi into her life. Ruhi helped her heal and she herself said that she gained from Ruhi more than she could ever have with Subbu. Raman came into her life, a man who is seeing her for who she is and not a reproducing machine...

But Ishita has been shown ready for matrimony with Prateek and nothing indicated that she would have not give it a full chance

Same when mihir was passing notes to mihika to say sorry and Ishita got it by mistake thinking it was Raman she was shown giddy with anticipation, a little shy, a little unsure and a little bit excited at the prospect of having a real marriage with him...and then they were only beginning being friends!!
Where are those feelings now?

As a woman even unsure of oneself, if said woman was to fall in love wouldn't she INSTINCTIVELY try to seek his attention, show little signs that she is affected by him, that she finds him attractive, that she enjoys it when he comes close to her etc (pomegranate has very well put it in one of her posts), a little shyness, awareness, anticipation? But she is passive and we get only chee

Ishita has healed Raman enough for him to try to work on their relation. Is it so wrong to expect the reverse too?

Well really need to go now. See you all later



LOL .. its head to head here for us 😛 ... loving it ... A big hug to u .. u are doing what this serial has not really done .. made me think before i pen ...

What has changed between the accident track & now in relation to the progress in their relationship ..
specially related to the past ...

Post accident was the first time they ever sat to discuss their past ... & that to sparked by Simmi & her love ... while in that whole 'OPEN" discussion Ishita laid herself bare ... & the following day she categorically told the words ... I AM HAPPY ... & SUBBU has no PLACE IN MY LIFE ...

Did Raman say anything about his past ... even though his past is very much part of his present & has been impacting the two from the moment they have met ...

Once again i am going to say it .. this is not about right or wrong .. this is not about who is more in love or more demonstrative ... this is not about who is expressing more or less ... This is simply that both of them need to work ...

This time its Ishita who is WRONG ... During the accident track .. yes in the end Ishita was made aware that it was ADI ... but did that take away from the fact .. she saw her husband walk out with Shagun in his arms ... & walk away from her without a BACKWARD GLANCE ..
Could he not stop & ask Ishita to accompany them ??? give her lame excuse of why Shagun was in his arms ...

has al that been resolved between the 2 ... NOPE .. they are both struggling together .. they are both erring together ... Like Aani always says ... he says I love you ... & then actually INSULTS her about believing him about it ...

In such a scenario .. what do u think shud be Ishita's frame of mind .. gestures like nameplate ... have been reciprocated from Ishita as well ...

Yaar dono ek hi mitti ke bane hai .. hence are dam soul mates ... they both have to work on their love ... hence the writers & makers of the show have dedicated the BIGGEST TRACK for REALISATION ...

YEs Ishita is wrong .. yes she will pay .,. yes they will have it out .. yes she will get reprimanded ... It has to happen ... did that not happen for RAMAN as well .. 😉
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Posted: 11 years ago
So I am back 😛😆
Ruby I am really flooding this place but cannot help myself.


I read on some page you made a comment Ruby about when a woman takes a man to her bed - I can't find the page for some reason - but I would like to even ask one to look at the other side of the coin. When does a man take a woman to bed - now this... THIS has in my opinion been the more interesting aspect of the show - with different men and their different approaches towards Intimacy.


There is Raman - a man who believes in the sanctity of marriage, who is rough and rude when it comes to his temperament and words but within the confines of his room he has NEVER imposed himself as a husband on his wife nor claimed any rights over her as a husband... something which makes me recall their wedding night - in the confusion of the condoms - he asks her will she stop him and she has tears in her eyes as she keeps on saying no.. the confusion might have made him say the words which made her assume he could do that - force himself upon her as her husband and as such she wont be able to stop him since he is not just a man, someone physically stronger than her but a man who can lay claim on her and rightfully so even if she doesn't want him too...

that turned out to be anything but the truth - the man hiding in that rough and tough exterior is a softie won't do that ever to her... and Ishita got to understand that over time. Recently he talked to her with tears in his eyes about the anger and repulsion he feels about allowing a rapist into his sister' bed and being helpless to stop that. It showed how much he respects marriage and the intimacy between a man and a woman. Even during the bachelor party he made it clear no touching only seeing... and frankly he wasn't even looking - he only lured the girl in the spirit of the challenge to show that neither looks nor brain nor brawns matter as much as the moolah does.


When she proposes him for the cocktail he denies it and says he only has hard drinks but before saying the words on the beach when he feels he has been propositioned directly you could read a WTH on his face - like I didn't think this through here. There is no way I am doing that I am a married man.

Now lets see the other men - men like Ashok who despite being steady with Shagun has in my opinion been involved with other women too - has had various one-night stands as per me ... he didn't mind seducing a married woman and now when she is his keep/live-in gf/fiance - he is still at it cos to him sex is just sex and he has no emotions attached towards it... which is why when the woman who is his fiance to the world could be used as a commodity - he didn't bat an eye towards it and allowed another man to ogle her... I wanna see how far this goes in the future cos I am sure if needed he won't mind pushing her in the bed of another too. For him thinks are compartmentalized and if he wasn't so hellbent on his revenge so focused on Raman - he could be a better businessman than even Raman since he can actually sort things but REVENGE - that one emotion overrides his mind over everything and anything which even Raman had going on his mind until Ishita came in his life and his priorities shifted - he became more focused on things that matter even when he became emotional... things became better for him personally and professionally since he could discard himself of the negativity which is something Ashok has been unable to do and continues to be unable even now.

Now comes the most interesting man - Param - I can't believe I said that!

But yeah he is the most convoluted character in here - he is a predator and doesn't mind what comes his way - whether willingly or by coercion but as a husband he was recently aghast and said he would never compromise his wife...the fact that his words that he loves his wife - they somewhat seem true as well cos when he swore by her and their child to not take money from Ashok he actually got harassed about keeping his promise and did keep it, in his own convoluted way he does love Simi... shit I am so gonna ... forget it... anyway moving on... but to him love, lust are two different things which aren't exclusive to each other. He lusts for Ishita - the way he looks at her - you feel like poking his eyes out cos that is the kind of repulsion his look conveys - he is mentally undressing her and you can feel that as a viewer and cringe in your seats... I have seen rape scenes and I have seen shows on abuse but no man has made me squirm like he does... something which makes me wanna kill him and applaud Anurag for.

Now comes the man who is still a mystery - Subu - yes I am including him here. He loved a girl for over a decade and dumped her just like that he married another woman and got her impregnated with his child...to him too it seems love and sex need not go hand in hand. I think he still will be shown in love with Ishita from that one glimpse of him as he gets shocked to know she has found someone else but for the sake of a child he could sleep with another woman even though he loves another. To him his wife was a means to an end...

Now... now comes the bit where Ishu comes in - she has moved on from Subu - she has made peace with her past and come to terms with the fact no man would want her cos she is barren. Her husband sometimes shows he is attracted to her but backs out in a corner...in her mind the reason for his backing out are two - 1) he isnt over his ex, which is what she assumed till now and 2) she has nothing to offer to him and hence in her mind ain't woman enough for him, she thinks the ability to have a child is what defines a woman and why men keep on refusing her time and again even the one who loved her... cos to him - her other qualities, who she is as a person don't hold a candle over her physical shortcoming. In her mind it makes her undesirable.

Now interestingly she is married to a man who values emotions as much as she does in a way which is why he is avoiding intimacy cos in his heart and mind he too isn't ready yet to take this step - that his body is reacting to her is another matter...he is trying to make sense of himself still and battling the things that he does understand... it is when he would want her - as a woman, that Ishita would be able to get over this complex... that her inability to conceive has nothing to do with her sexuality and neither does it affect or bother a man who knows all there is about her and yet wants her - because he isn't choosing one aspect of hers over the others - her being as a person over her shortcoming so that he can sleep with her... no he knows all of her and yet, yet he WANTS her.

It would be what would make their marriage amazing as per me - cos for the first time it would be shown on an Indian TV show that sex isn't just about having babies - its about feeling and wanting to convey your love too...that in a marriage infertility doesn't necessarily have to translate into diffusing the passion between a man and a woman.

And that is why it is vital as per me Raman allow Ishita to know he desires her as a woman. To me she is just as passionate a person - the thing is she has reigned herself in, caged up that part of herself not out of repulsion or shame... but because she has buried any thoughts associated with her physicality and sexuality as she has been made to feel undesirable and unwanted - her body has been given prominence over her personality, her qualities as a person which interestingly has overridden any urges or temptation that very body could have in her mind.

Sex, love, marriage and children all these things can be connected and yet be not - it depends on individual to individual.

I hope I have made sense here :P
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: redwine1



NAHIIINNN ( totally Serial style mien bola)


That question was not about Raman against Ishita ... but this topic will come up .. & this topic will actually spark a discussion between the 2 .. abhi waala kaand will result in shouting match ... but this one will spark the dialog

Isilye i mentioned it ..


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Posted: 11 years ago
@Mysha - amazing post 👏 I am so happy Ruby and I got you to posting in this forum - score for us Ruby...

I am short on time to reply to the entirety of your post right now will see if I can later 😳 but thank you for posting the below pic and yes for saying the LU thing - it was I who had said I think Subu and Ishita had a very passionate relationship - in fact I wont be surprised if we learn she isnt a virgin.


only saints can remain celibate with someone for that long and Ishita is no saint.



^^ the above pic is focused only on Ishita and Subu but in this scene you have even Bala and Vandu sitting across these two while their marriage is being discussed.

Now from what we have seen so far of Ishu and Bala she respects him a lot - as a friend, philosopher and guide - she looks up to him like an elder bro she doesn't have. If in his presence she was cool enough to sit in Subu' lap I don't think she would have behaved like a nun when they were alone.

Ishita has closed off not only her heart but her desires as a woman too and it would be interesting to note what finally causes her to go there again... we saw a glimpse of her reacting to Raman and their proximity in the shower with the way she was shown lost in the thoughts of the moment in their bedroom post the shower scene.

It would be nothing short of a revelation to people who think and assume Ishita is an ice maiden once the layers freezing her in thaw and the woman emerges 😉
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Posted: 11 years ago
@ mysha loved ur post 😊
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