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Posted: 10 years ago
Before blaming Kunti who was 13 year old adopted child why doesn't anyone blame surya. What was surya doing. If without telling anyone Parashara can raise vyasa why not surya raise his son. Does any one know drona's mother name.

What do u expect Surya to do? Surya was bound by boon. Kunti invoked him. He didnt go to her. Parasar forced himself on Satyavati. Dron was born from pot due to Bharadwaj's desire for some apsara. The situation with Surya was entirely different

He was god he had every resource and ability to take the child and give it to any surya worshipping Kshatriya who would have happily adopted the child as surya' blessings if he didn't want to raise Karna himself. Do you think a 13 year old girl will have the option of selecting suitable foster parents for her child.

Durvasa's boon was for Kunti. She had responsibility. Surya was an instrument. He had no responsibility. She could have given him to some childless Kshatriya couple too.

You are asking what Kunti did or did not do in later life. What did surya do. Ganga managed to convince Parshuram to train Bheeshma. Could surya do that for his son. Given a kavach and kundal and responsibility over. In his whole life he just gave a piece of advice to Karna to not give his KK to Indra and if he must then ask Shakti in return. But he is God so he has no responsibilities

Again, Surya's situation was different. He was not traditional father. He did what he could.

And as soon as Pandavas arrived in HP after Pandu's death, duryodhan openly decried the paternity of her children that Pandavas are not sons of gods. And what would have happened if she said she had a child before marriage. All her 5 children would have been thrown out of HP. Pandu was not alive to defend her. Ambika ambalika niyog happened in the palace under bheeshma's blessing. Whereas Kunti and Madri went through it in a forest. How will citizens of Hastinapur accept . A child who had already fend for himself and had a reasonably good life. Just to give him a Kshatriya status she should jeopardize her other son's life.

Are you sure you are referring to mahabharat and not some fan fiction? The sages who took kunti to hastinapur told that these are sons of Pandu and no one questioned. She could have accepted Karn when Pandu was still alive and wished to have children. May be her five children would not have been born if she had told Pandu.

He had a happy life, loving parents , wife and children, kingdom wealth and yes he had all got it by himself without any help from Kunti. But he had it. Her other children did not have it yet so she did not.

Happy life? How do you define happy life? He was a King but other than Duryodhan, no one accepted him as equal. Dhtitrahtr, Gandhari and Shakuni were secretly contemptuous and Vidur and Bheeshm openly insulting. So what was this happiness you are touting? Pandavs too had loving mother, wives and children. So how can you say Karn had all that and Pandavs did not.

Same thing after Rajasuya also. Being a powerful emperor is no protection if question is raised on your paternity. Kansa was also powerful, he had Jarasandha support, but he always let himself known as ugrasen's son, though he was born when a rakshasa raped his mother. Pandavas earned their empire on their own merit but they were known as Pandavas. Pandu's children. Acknowledging Karna would put a question mark on their mother's charachter and therefore on their paternity.

As per sastras, he too would have been accepted as Pandu's son and Krishn himself tells him so. So no question mark on Kunti's character or Pandav's paternity would have been there.

And for this reason she did not tell her own sons, because they would happily throw away their life for their brother. But she did not want her sons to suffer for her mistake. She did not want Karna to die or any of her son's.

Pandavs would not have thrown away anything for Karn. After learning truth, Yudishtir laments that if Karn and Arjun were both with me, I would have been lord of all worlds. So even if he knew the truth he would not have given up anything.

I am not being a feminist but this is fact of life. Ram and Sita both lived alone for a year but it was Sita who was asked to prove her chastity. No man has ever been questioned for having multiple wives, but Karna called Draupadi bandhaki for marrying five men.

No. I agree you are not being feminist since you dont understand anything about women. Ram lived alone and Sita lived in Lanka with Ravan and Rakshas and that is why she was asked to take agnipariksha to prove. If Ram was ordinary man, he could have accepted her without it but he was king and he had to prove her good name to the world. Karn called her that because it was the written rule of the day. Even Kunti tells Pandu of this when he wants to have more sons after Arjun.

And has any man ever been asked to prove his virginity. But a woman not virgin before marriage is immediately charachterised as unchaste and Why satyawati could acknowledge vyasa because parashara had not abandoned his son like surya. And Ved vyas had gained the respectability in society to protect his mother's honor. Karna had not earned that respectability for Kunti to acknowledge him openly without any consequences

Satyavati told of her relationship to Vyas only in an emergency situation. If Vichithraviry had sons or if Bheeshm had agreed to Niyog she would have kept it secret. Vyas's divinity is what saved her respectability and not Parasar's bringing him up. Karn too was divine with Kavach and Kundal and people would have accepted him and Kunti too. But she simply did not care for him, only for her other five sons.
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Posted: 10 years ago
Citation for Duryodhan denying gods as Pandavas fathers is here is the link.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m05/m05061.htm

Surya was bound by boon to give a child, he was totally free to take responsibility of the child or abandon it

Why didn't dharma or vasu or Indra did not take responsibility because Pandu specifically asked them for the child for himself.

In case of surya it was different Kunti was unmarried, she had no husband then, decency demands he take the responsibility. She made a mistake no doubt and he did nit do it out of choice but he was an adult and a God, he had the means to help his son

He did not have to raise the child himself, he had the power and means to arrange Kshatriya foster parents for Karna. Kunti could not do it she was unmarried princess who will she give the child to and how.

If Karna was being insulted by Bheeshma and drona it was because he openly insulted them too, for favoring Pandavas, in open court, he had no right to do that (citations udyoga parva) (vidura in DS).

Have you heard of this folktale about Shakuni his father and brothers were imprisoned by Dhritarashtra for getting gandhari married to a goat before him( this is a folktale and not mentioned in vyasa version) they were given only 1 grain of rice per person to eat, so shakuni's father decides to give all the grains to youngest Shakuni so that atleast he Lives otherwise everyone will die anyways)

Kunti followed the same principle. If Karna gets demoralized her other sons will live (by the way two of them were not her own sons). If she does not tell him, he may kill Yudhi, Nakul and Sahadeva though BHima and Arjun could defeat him, other three could not. It's 1 vs 5 a hard choice for a mother but she gave Karna the choice to walk away and live too.
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Posted: 10 years ago
Hello 45,
You are repeating what I am saying,

Ved Vyasa was highly respected not only for his divinity but also because of what he had achieved, dividing the Vedas and making it accessible to people. Because he was highly respected satyawati could acknowledge him

Karna was a very sharp tongued person. He was a great warrior, but he never earned the respect that his mother could openly acknowledge him without censure.

By the way respect had to be earned, people cannot get it because of the birth or caste, or parental help vyas was an interbreed and Parshuram also, they earned respect on their own merit, one by earning knowledge of Vedas other by earning knowledge of Astras
Parshuram's father had 4 sons but everyone only know Parshuram. Karna had to earn respect like everybody else he could not so Kunti had a problem acknowledging him because it will affect her other children's life


Can anyone tell me of a mother who has six children and who will for the sake of 1 child ruin the lives of other 5
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: hello45


Are you sure you are referring to mahabharat and not some fan fiction? The sages who took kunti to hastinapur told that these are sons of Pandu and no one questioned. She could have accepted Karn when Pandu was still alive and wished to have children. May be her five children would not have been born if she had told Pandu.


Sages n siddhas who could vanish after confirming the divine parentage of Pandavas.. Had they said Pandu was their father or if it was by niyoga then her kanya son might get her into problem... Buy If that is the kind of support she can gather I don't understand why we should imagine her as a helpless widow.. She is the strongest woman and if she wished she could have managed anything.. She didn't wish as she didn't care.. That's all..
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Posted: 10 years ago
Kunti had support of sages only because Pandu had done the niyog in their midst. They were supporting the right of Pandu's son,s as his heirs that too because he had decided it that way.
If Kunti had told Pandu about Karna and he had adopted him, situation would have been different. But she did not tell him.

No sage will vouch for what she did in parents home, even durvasa would not

Nakul and Sahadeva are proof of the kind of mother Kunti was
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: Adishakti

Citation for Duryodhan denying gods as Pandavas fathers is here is the link.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m05/m05061.htm



Of course.. Like you said earlier duryodhana said all these immediately after Pandavas came to hastinapur after pandus death 😭 that too in front of the entire crowd of HP citizens 😭


But out of some confusion this part rolled down from sambhava Parva to udyoga Parva 😆😆😆


PS: I very well know Dury said these but you might have to check what u exactly said pages back.. 🥱
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Posted: 10 years ago
The only thing Kunti can be truly blamed for is going to Karna and asking him to join the Pandavas, it was unjust not just to Karna but also to Pandavas and most importantly to Draupadi ( if he had accepted).

Having sex with a child who is not mature enough to understand its consequences even if the child wants it is statutory rape. so it is not wrong if one says Kunti was raped by whoever fathered Karna (Durvasa/ any other man with sun like splendor).

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Posted: 10 years ago
Just a doubt. From my understanding of KMG, Duryodhana was just 3 years old when Pandavas returned HP after Pandu's death. So how did such a small child possibly announce in public that Pandavas were not fathered by gods?
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Posted: 10 years ago
Where did they even talk of niyoga??? And how is that we talk as if everything was pre decided and planned? Pandus death was an accident..
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: Brahmaputra

Just a doubt. From my understanding of KMG, Duryodhana was just 3 years old when Pandavas returned HP after Pandu's death. So how did such a small child possibly announce in public that Pandavas were not fathered by gods?


As he is wicked Duryodhanana 😆

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