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About Karna, I happily, wholeheartedly accept that Karna was a simple man, an ordinary man, who never cared to be a fake, or something which society wanted him to be. I think that is the best thing about him. He was a rebel, in all sense, because he always stood for himself,not for any doctrines, social morality codes or all those blah blah stuffs. He never cared anyone, never feared anyone, always stood for what he believed to be true. I think that is a rare trait. Whether he was right or wrong is the second thing. At least he was true to himself. He was an earthly person who never acted as someone he was not. When he was angry, he was full of it, when bitter full of it. He never tried to hide his true self & project himself as the most innocent white soul. Whatever he did than that do not matter to me, or anyone who loves him. I don't think any person can be true to something or someone unless he is true to himself.

Jamy👏

I forgot to apologise Riti for spoiling her beautiful thread. Riti must be thinking why it always happens only with her.😆 Sorry for making your thread a mess, Riti. I have not even read what is the main topic of you posted.🤣 Hope you overlook that too. But it has nothing to do with Draupadi, I think.

To anyone else who commented & not commented here but felt bad or offended by my comments - I am sorry. Hurting your personal feelings was not at all intended. It was certainly unknown. I did not think of that while commenting. I have not taken any argument personally and I hope it is the same for all.😊 Let us not forget to not drag ideas irrelevant to the main content of any thread.

Originally posted by: Patrarekha

can anyone open a CNAT plz? now its a terrible need

I have. CNAT has a new name - |}The Priyamvada Chronicles{|

Originally posted by: AnuMP

Amrita

We should not hold God to a lower standard. Like that amazing philosopher Spiderman said, with great power comes great responsibility 😆

If Sun was actually the daddy, he gets MORE blame, not less.

Pretty banal observation, given that the Sun god was powerless against Rishi Durvasa's boon, and went to Kunti b'cos he was forced to, as opposed to himself voluntarily impregnating Sanjana, Chaya, Sanjana the mare and Rikshraj (father/'mother' of Sugreev & Vali)

Originally posted by: riti4u

Yeh bandhan toh pyaar ka bandhan hain...😭

SidT - Oh Matashree Kunti...Where are thou...? Look this lil child of yours is having such a cruel mom.. which even can shame Cindrella's step mom...

Kunti hears SidT's prayers... appears before him...

Vats.., open your eyes... I am here... Why to worry when the real mommy is here...😎

SidT's dimaag ki batti jali... Idea...

SidT to his crew member- Bring Kunti in next scene...

Crew member- But how sir, we are so far from hastinapur.. how can we make them meet...

SidT ls angry...- Dont you dare question me with logic... 😡

Crew Member- Errm... Okay Sir...as you say.. Kunti is on...

Karna goes missing... reaches where pandu has come on sanyas..🤔( wonder where madri is)

So they are wearing sanyasi clothes seems like warm weather here and our dearest Karna is still wearing wollen coat... 😭Oh come on... atleast change the clothes...😡

Karna Kunti face off..(SidT's dreamy moments) - I knew this Maa prem will surely become hit.. after all its not saga of Suryaputra Karna... Its gatha of Kaunteya ya Radheya Kaun hain Karna...😳

Anu Di,

Draupadi is ONE of the heroes of MB. Actually I prefer to call her the only heroine of MB. The most phenomenal woman character. She was a great woman but how can she be the hero and also only hero of the story? A hero is one person who has a lot to do, and takes the story forward, is in control of most of the events. For me, Kunti is the strongest woman of MB. But Draupadi surely was a turning point in the story. Without her it would not be as it was. But I don't find the logic in calling her the hero of the epic! Mahabharata is no AC where Panchaali is the only great important character, and Krishna the 2nd most and others nothing. It just makes no sense. How could Draupadi even be born without Drona and Drupad's fight, in turn Drona sending ARJUNA to fight and conquer Drupad? And mind you, Panchaali was born for a reason. I believe Panchaali had a much worse life than Karna. Karna had a happy life IMO. Many other characters have worse lives than him. But that does not mean Panchaali is the only great person in the epic.

Originally posted by: cts22

Kunti is one of the most strong and shrewd characters in the epic.

She asks Surya to give her a son just like him. She asks for the kavach and kundal ( I believe that they were the sons of gods). She is sad to leave him but you can forgive her since she was young.

She also genuinely feels happy when karna becomes the king of anga.

She did have a harsh life, She did not have a proper marital life, her husband preferred another younger and more beautiful woman. She became a widow and had to single handedly bring up 5 kids and protect them from her brother's in law family.

In fact she probably did nt get a lot of love from others except her 5 kids who worshiped the ground she walked on.

That is one of the main reasons I feel she is so over protective of the 5, because they completely loved and respected her unlike the other persons in her life. She probably would have felt that she would lose that reverence if she discloses the truth to them, it was probably stupid but you cant blame her for clinging on to the only love she had.

As for her comments on wicked soul, at that time karna did commit a lot of sins and mistakes against the pandavas. Going to tell Karna about his true lineage was a politically astute and strategist move to demoralise him and it worked. She was ambitious and wanted her sons to rule.

She felt immensely guilty after Karna's death, because he kept his promise to her when she probably did not deserve it. She did not have to tell the pandavas the truth after his death, nobody would have told them either but she did, because she felt guilty, he was her son after all and probably felt that she could have been there more for him.

After Karna's truth revelation there was a change in the pandavas attitude towards her , they still respected her but accepted that she was flawed and human and did not blindly worship her like they did.

Even Kunti probably felt guilty till the end of her life, she leaves with gandhari and dhritharashtra

and gets consumed in fire.

Lovely post 👏👏👏

Kunti is my favourite character after Arjuna. Agree with whatever you just said. But I think she did love Karna. And if we see the citation of Karna Kunti meeting properly, Kunti NEVER asked Karna to give the life of her five sons. I don't know why people call her a beggar. She was the strongest woman of the epic IMHO. It is Karna who said she has five sons, she will have five after war too. (We all know what he meant.) Kunti wanted Karna in her side, Kunti never asked Karna to spare his five sons. And most importantly, Karna DID NOT spare Arjuna either. So anyway, Kunti had to see one of her sons dying.

We all focus on Karna's greatness and his so called sad life. Never do we turn to see Kunti's side. This is so unfair. I mean Kunti had the worst life among all in the epic. She had no choice other than letting Karna in the water because otherwise she would be making situations worse for Karna. And it is very difficult when you just cannot say the truth when you know very well who Karna is. But if she would have said that to him or anyone before, would that not be unfair for Yudhishthir, for all her sons? She had NOTHING in her life. Is it very wrong to ask for her own sons to rule and wanting that and taking certain steps? Also, it wasn't that Karna was still floating in water. Karna had a much better life than he would have with Kunti. He had support of the Kurus, he was King of Anga, he had loving foster parents, he had everything!! So should Kunti not focus on her three other sons? And as you said, she got no love from anyone else. Atleast she wanted her sons to be with her! Also, Kunti could turn situation in her favour, control her sons etc. Karna was not in this cage of hers. Wasn't that good? Kunti is one phenomenal woman, and deserves much more respect than she gets IMHO.

Originally posted by: Sabhayata

Nopes
Krishna ji diddnt always want war

Read Udyoga parva from the start.Krihsna ji's lecture starts with wanting peace not war.Only after trying twice for peace when negotiations fail he starts to talk about war

Drau wanted justice not doubt.Yes she does say the sin part but she says other things as well why ignore that.Doesn't she say that she wants Dushy to die a horrible death,doesn't she remind the entire court and krishna ji how Dushy treated her,doesn't she say that if not her husband her son's will avenge her.She clearly uses the word avenge

And to make it clear i dont find anything wrong in her wanting justice .

Come on! Panchaali is everything but an epitome of forgiveness. 🤣 Agree with Sabhayata. What was done to her, she wasn't wrong in not knowing forgiveness.

Originally posted by: Sabhayata

Nopes sorry Anu dont agree

While i do agree that she is the most faultless character in the entire epic like i cant associate any major wrong doing whith her.But she is not the only central character in the epic and she isnt the only hero

MB has many characters and all are central and heroic in their own way and Drau is one of them .The actions and reactions and motivations of all these character's drive the story not only Drau's
She is one of the central character's not the only one

Yes she was intelligent and smart and yes she did save pandavs sin DS there is no doubt

Regarding Kamyaka van yes krishna ji does promise her destruction of those who harmed her but in Udyoga parva in beginning he forgets all that and wants peace

What is AV?In all versions i read she goes to Bhima and cries about all her misfortunes that is all

In udyoga parva even after promising Drau a second time he does what Yudi wants and not Drau.He goes with the peace proposal yet again and he clealry tells Drau that Dhrit son's swill be punished only if they dont agree to his proposal

Sabhayata agree with you regarding everything apart from the fact that Draupadi saved Pandavas in DS. They were saved because of Dhritarastra's insecureness. Panchaali had some part too but what she did was not anything great because she herself would be in bad state if Pandavas would remain slaves. So she did the most obvious thing possible, save herself and her husbands!