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Posted: 10 years ago

@Adishakti - I think you have wrongly mentioned some points in your previous post which led to all confusion.

On Page 15 , you mentioned this
"And as soon as Pandavas arrived in HP after Pandu's death, duryodhan openly decried the paternity of her children that Pandavas are not sons of gods."
and Now you mentioning that duryodhana says this in Udhyog Parva. So this has caused confusion that Diala was pointing out.
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Posted: 10 years ago
Riti

Even if she wasn't a minor, I am totally sure she did that by mistake.. and that she was minor is what I have known until now.. I don't mind being disproved.. Just would like to know if there is any clear mention of her age then...

And about going to Karna. Ofcourse she wanted her sons to be King but what I try to point out is even if she wanted to morally weaken him (I read some citation of her telling it to Keshav I think..) Then also I don't feel she wanted any bad of Karna.. I try to say that she loved Karna too... If we see clearly, if Karna would accept her offer, then the plan of demoralizing would not work right..Maybe Kunti knew that too? And also for a fact, demoralizing him would only not let him fight with all his mind for the wrong side.. if we see the moral part of it... (Did not want to mention this but just saying on a side note.😊)
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: Adishakti

Really do you think at 3 years old Duryodhan was capable of mixing poison in Bhimasena food and drowning him in Pramanakoti.[BR][DIV]Bhima and Duryodhan were born a day after each other the exact timeline is not mentioned of Pandu's death, but most people make an assumption that Yudhishtir was 16 when they arrived back in HP based on his birth star and the stars present at the time of Mahabharata war. So bhima and Duryodhan must be 15 then[/DIV]

A 6 year old boy could easily have done that if supported by an uncle like Shakuni. Both KMG & CE say Pandu died in the next spring after Nakula-Sahadeva were born & soon Kunti reurned HP with Pandavas. So Duryodhana must not have been more than three years old then. Or maximum four. Not more than that.
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Posted: 10 years ago

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Riti

Even if she wasn't a minor, I am totally sure she did that by mistake.. and that she was minor is what I have known until now.. I don't mind being disproved.. Just would like to know if there is any clear mention of her age then...

And about going to Karna. Ofcourse she wanted her sons to be King but what I try to point out is even if she wanted to morally weaken him (I read some citation of her telling it to Keshav I think..) Then also I don't feel she wanted any bad of Karna.. I try to say that she loved Karna too... If we see clearly, if Karna would accept her offer, then the plan of demoralizing would not work right..Maybe Kunti knew that too? And also for a fact, demoralizing him would only not let him fight with all his mind for the wrong side.. if we see the moral part of it... (Did not want to mention this but just saying on a side note.😊)

Its not a mistake to get desirous for a woman, its natural and I dont find faults with her for the same. Even fine with her wanting to abandon child due to societal pressures.. But I still could not find reason for her not declaring to Karna or Pandavas about Karna's identity earlier much before war.. I believe she never wanted to reveal it.. but War made her reveal as She wanted all 5 sons safe .. There were many occasions when she was in private with her sons... She could have told them reality.. and that is why nandita earlier said yudi cursed her so he had some logic for that too..🤔.. And if Kunti had not done anything wrong...She would not have felt guilty in the end too... This is only reason I have no issues with her .. As long as a person realises mistakes committed and feels sorry.. I dont see any kind of blot on her...
Don't ask me for citations here, I know she had said to Sahadev perhaps when she is going with dritrashtra and gandhari to forest after war.. but right now i m jst not able to find chapter 😔
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: riti4u

@Adishakti - I think you have wrongly mentioned some points in your previous post which led to all confusion.

On Page 15 , you mentioned this
"And as soon as Pandavas arrived in HP after Pandu's death, duryodhan openly decried the ptaternity of her children that Pandavas are not sons of gods."
and Now you mentioning that duryodhana says this in Udhyog Parva. So this has caused confusion that Diala was pointing out.



Ritima.. No one is confused actually.. Everyone surely knows what they are trying to do 😉😆
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Posted: 10 years ago
Riti

Kunti surely did some wrong things. I consider dividing Draupadi, and having the intention of morally weakening Karna wrong.. I find it wrong she never corrected Yudhishthir's greed, she never tried to solve the issues between Kauravas and Pandavas. Also I totally respect her because she accpeted that she was unfair to Karna. (From Karna's POV I think. Kunti understood his side).

And see I guess she did not reveal it to PANDAVAS, because if she could reveal the truth to Yudhi or Arjun, they would definitely cancel war.. And that would not give anyone anything apart from making Duryodhan the winner. That would surely not be good..Yudhi himself said even after Karna's truth revealed..that he would not fight if he knew this. (I think he was doing a whole lot of drama. But if we consider it his real feelings which I dont😆) And revealing truth to Arjuna, I am totally sure he would follow Yudhishthir and not fight! Man, he was even reluctant to kill Karna. Keshav had to force him.. that too after Abhimanyu death! So that would not do any good either. If we take Yudhishthir as his facade, (The great Dharmaraj) then surely he would leave his claim to throne..and Karna definitely would not take throne from Duryodhana.And if we take Yudhishthir as I think he was, a self obsessed person who used dharma as a reason to justify his deeds, then Yudhishthir would PRETEND to leave the throne, only to morally make Karna more guilty as he did to Kunti after truth revealing. And Pandavas are follower of Yudhi..so obviously..

Hope I could present my point..
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Posted: 10 years ago

@Brishti- Guesses and interpretations of actions are subjective to our own view of the characters.. 😊 So we can agree to disagree on what Kunti intentions might have been😊..I understood your points though..

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Posted: 10 years ago

I am thinking of renaming this thread🤔

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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: Crazypheonix008

The only thing Kunti can be truly blamed for is going to Karna and asking him to join the Pandavas, it was unjust not just to Karna but also to Pandavas and most importantly to Draupadi ( if he had accepted).

Having sex with a child who is not mature enough to understand its consequences even if the child wants it is statutory rape. so it is not wrong if one says Kunti was raped by whoever fathered Karna (Durvasa/ any other man with sun like splendor).



I agree w/ your first part. But what is it w/ you people who want to take today's rules and apply it to ancient times? Everybody agrees that it was a different era, and the value system that we have today didn't exist then.

This year, in the US, the Supreme Court ruled Gay marriage as being legal. The time is not far off when it will be recognized as legal worldwide - probably via UN dictats. So lets say somebody 100 years from now condemns people of today for not supporting gay marriage - will you say that they are justified?
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Posted: 10 years ago
No one is questioning Kunti's strength of character here. It certainly takes a great deal of strength to conceal the truth from the world when your first born is constantly before your eyes and being insulted by all and sundry including your own sons. It certainly takes a great deal of strength to hear your sons call their elder brother Sutaputra and never reprimand them for it. I am sure there are lots of excuses. But to me, it was nothing but criminal negligence. She.Did.Not.Care. Period.

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