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Posted: 9 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: .annihilation.


That was me too. Although, I didn't like the past two episodes much but this particularly one, I don't even know why. It just didn't feel good.



Totally agreed.

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Truth to be told, the whole Dean crying seemed so hyped that when the actual scene happened, I was like... mehh... I just didn't feel it too much. :S
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: -De.De-



Totally agreed.

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Truth to be told, the whole Dean crying seemed so hyped that when the actual scene happened, I was like... mehh... I just didn't feel it too much. :S


It was hyped, no doubt.

But I happened to love that scene and more so because Jensen knocked it off the park. I mean, his judgements when it comes how a scene should be played out are always right. When I say I didn't like 11X20 and 11X21, I mean it terms plots and execution but the acting area haven't been lacking anything.
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Posted: 9 years ago
#13
I wrote the following post for tumblr and I just thought of sharing it here too.


Thoughts on 11X20 and 11X21 (season 11) || Unpopular opinion || post #1.

This is going to be lengthy. Anyone willing to read, brace yourselves.

I'll have to start off by saying that like many folks around here, Supernatural is so much more than just a show to me and is very close to my heart. Its not just a piece of fiction on tv but pretty much like a beloved person in my life who I'd care the world about. 11 seasons in and I always chose to stick to the show no matter how crappy it got at times but never I have ever felt so disturbed and reached a point where I'd go, I don't know if I like this show anymore'. I have loved this show for as long as its been here. Loving the show, supporting it and actually being able to like the show from story perspective are two different things.

I know I am in till the end, for as long as the show is meant to be even if they dish us out atrocity in the name of story. That's my support and love for the show but being able to like what they come up with is certainly not a compulsion I am to abide by. As viewers, we surely can appreciate something we like and criticize what we don't. What the makers do with their product at the end of the day is their call because the show is theirs, not ours.

The following is mostly in regards to the last two episodes, 11X20 (Don't call me Shurley) and 11X21 (All in the Family).

1) The God matter : Firstly, the Bi God matter. I didn't find it okay and I still don't find it okay even though I gave myself time to be able to grasp it before finally writing this down. And no, this doesn't stem from homophobia, personal preferences or religious beliefs. Had that been the case, I couldn't have watched this show for 11 seasons now. This is to put it out there clearly that I understand the difference between 'fiction' and 'non-fiction', between what's really just a piece of writing on paper and what really matters in the world out there in life. (FYI, Charlie's one of my most favourite characters ever) It
is because this show wasn't ever aimed at any section of society, it wasn't ever meant to preach, regard or disregard faith, beliefs or personal preference or to pass judgements. It wasn't aimed at being progressive or regressive about certain ideals, practices or norms. I didn't understand the need to define God's gender or sexuality. Because even if its happens to be the God of SPN, it is not just any character or any person we're talking about here. Its God, still omniscient, still gender-neutral, still all powerful.

Sure, God chose Chuck to be his meat suit and experience human life. But does he actually need to experience human life? Did it require him to establish his gender or personal preferences? If the idea is to make it as human, as flawed and as realistic as possible then I'm not sure how well its working. Or may be, it is. For me? Not really. Because that diminishes the very line that distinguishes God from humans. God doesn't need to eat, cloth, sleep, mate and live though all kind of human experiences there are. For a very simple reason that he's the one who created everything. The whole idea of it and its implementations seems extraneous to me. If God made the world and he's the creator and the human kind is his creation then, its as good as a parent mating with their own kids. That's my interpretation (you don't agree with it or to even make sense of it) and it seemed unpleasant to say the least. People might be okay with it but personally, I am not. Chuck could still have been revealed as God without having to do any of the labelling.

I always wanted the mystery around God to remain one and never wanted God to make an appearance in a flesh-bone character. To many his appearance on the show may have been long over due but I'd rather not watch him at all onscreen than watch the kind of impulsive and premature entry that he was given. (I remember how Death and Horsemens and other biggies were introduced to the show and it still gives me chills whenever I re-watch the episodes) I expected this character to get a chance to be able to explain himself too just like many others did on the show. I perfectly understand that the God of SPN isn't exactly admirable or worthy of praise/worship. But the parallels between God and his archangels, John and Sam-Dean, the whole absentee fathers-children made me reason that just way John wasn't a perfect father but always tried to do his best, even God would have had his own reasons, failures and short comings.

I thought I'd eventually begin to understand God and his reasons for continued absence and abandonment of his creation, that he feels responsible for what has been happening, that he'd reason me to believe that just as the mankind disappointed him, he disappointed mankind too but he still always meant well. He did explain himself in these two episodes but I somehow couldn't connect. Chuck, as God (Don't mistake it as Rob, I mean specifically the character) now appears to be this lost, confused and depressed soul who doesn't give a damn about anything. I thought I'd be able to look at him the same way I do at Sam-Dean. The kind that are flawed and imperfect but are essentially saviours, warriors and heroes. He's going to sacrifice himself, yes, that's supposed to make me feel empathetic but honestly, I don't quite feel much.

And now in 11X21, I could sense these shades of manipulation in him, he almost played blame games, did his best to shift the burden of guilt on Winchesters/human kind alone. So, who and what exactly is God? Is he good? Is he bad? If he too is a grey shaded and human-like, like everyone else then what sets him apart from humans? Just that he's got powers no one else can match up to? Then he's not 'God' at all. All I can understand about him is, he's being reduced to just another 'supernatural entity' on the show when he should have been the most might and powerful entity on the show.

Everything substantial and crucial about the past two episodes, from the writing to its execution seems rather bland, forceful and flat to me. The arcs they have set are huge, they're big game players involved (Amara, Lucifer, Crowely, Rowena, Metatron, Castiel, Sam-Dean and God himself), they couldn't have had a better set up and plots but somehow, it all just appears a giant mess. This was supposed to be HUGE but it doesn't hit the right notes and comes across as undeveloped and ill-conceived. God was possibly their only and biggest trump card and if they're going to exhaust their most powerful characters (God and Amara), with more seasons ahead, I doubt what could they possibly bring on.

I was pretty excited about this season as had it been going exceedingly well but the past two episodes have disappointed me and dampened my spirits.

I'm going to follow this up with couple of more posts, anyone who actually had the patience to read this out, thank you for putting up with me. <3 I obviously don't expect anyone to agree with me but just don't mistake this as a hateful/bashing post. It is just me letting my thoughts out of my system. (:


PS All opinions/views are respected. I don't intend to hurt or offend anyone's sentiments. If this post does that by any chance, my apologies. Peace.

Edited by .annihilation. - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Honestly, I thought I'll not agree with this but I gave it a time and read it again. It makes me cast this tiny brain back to the day when I was going through an article about top ten who could possibly play God on Supernatural and Chuck was 10th. According to the writer, this God thing wasn't right up his street. I snickered at it for a while, because I was so sure that Chuck!God will be canon. That thing made so an embarrassing blush that I thought it would catch makers with their pants down, and even "#8" didn't seem that stupid. Well, #8 was Rin tin tin. 😆 But after watching these two episodes, especially 11X21, I'm confused. Have you seen a cat on a hot tin roof?! That exactly! Chuck!God was suppose to be a gambit but in fact it has been a vain effect of writers in creating a character who needs a scribe in the name of renegade claimant to help Him with a book. Listen, Metatron betrayed Him like Lucifer. If punishment is meted out to His favorite then why not the one who doesn't even crack his top ten favorites?! Does it mean God makes ploys to serve His purposes?! Well, that doesn't sound like God. If not then it means God was framing up this whole thing. As He is God, He knew Amara will make away with Meta. Then, why burden oneself with a kill?! Doesn't this sound like a con trick?! I'm not against seeing God in a flesh bone character. It's better than seeing him in a bright shaft of light emanating from the screen. But, still and all, what they have been showing us is a ridicule kidology. It was better that God thing was still a closed book, an enigma that could create fascinating plots and hence fetch a good rating.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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I have given up on seeking any sort logic whatsoever since i discovered that the only way to enjoy the series is to not look for logic .. 😆

As always , the comedy stole the show for me .. when Metatron tries to zap Amara , she just closes her eyes ; the wind & the shiny thing happens & then she just opens her eyes & looks at him while her hair is all frizzled up in the wind .. class ! .. 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 ..
Somebody please post a GIF of that scene, if possible .. 😆



Metatron - one of the characters of whom i thought was ugly inside & out .. but man ! .. what a surprising turn of events .. not only did he try to put some sense into "God" , but also ended up paying with his life in the mission to save God's creation ..
I hope just like Kevin , he too gets a good closure .. he certainly deserves it ..




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Posted: 9 years ago
#16

Originally posted by: -SAMAN-

^ Spot on! Amara is indeed a badass. I just love Emily Swallow. ❤️ She's the most underrated actress in history of supernatural. I think loathing her for what she shares with Dean is moronic. I mean come on, there is finally a woman in the show that turns down the myth that spn is anti-feminism!


I actually like Amara coz most of her arguments gives me a lot to think about .. I didnt know she is loathed by SPN fans.. 🤔

Also , didnt know SPN is considered anti-feminism .. 😕 ..i thought Charlie should have been enough to prove otherwise .. Charlie was , is & will always be one of my fav characters .. ❤️

Rowena , though flawed , is powerful & likeable in her own unique way .. just like Crowley..😆 ..writing this made me realize how much i like the mother-son duo .. they are just perfect ! ..😆


But true about Amara , especially when God's characterization is such that its so hard to root for him , i am liking the fact that there is a powerful female entity who is instilling fear of God in God himself .. 😆

I am starting to miss Death .. its been so long since i saw a character with that kind of swag.. 😎

^^ whats wrong with me ?! .. i am rooting for all the un-holy characters - Amara , Death , Crowley, Rowena .. ☢️.. i fear my perspective now .. 😆
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Posted: 9 years ago
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[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvQ9bhu2vDs[/YOUTUBE]

This was priceless 🤣 🤣 🤣

I love how new prophets react to the news.

I can't be a prophet I m an atheist

I have been touched by God? Then Dean proceeds to tell him about his sister and he is like he has family? 🤣 The guy is awesome

Then Sam proceeds to tell him about her nephew and he is like this is the right time to jump out of the car 🤣 ..

and when Dean goes to explain Santa Claus and Sam shuts him up 🤣 🤣
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Posted: 9 years ago
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^^ I liked that car scene too. Poor bloke had to process so much of information and be like its no big deal. 🤣
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: .annihilation.

^^ I liked that car scene too. Poor bloke had to process so much of information and be like its no big deal. 🤣


And then go upto God and be like I was an atheist 10 mins ago I hope thats not a problem 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 while God is enjoying his chow 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: ~*sindhu*~


And then go upto God and be like I was an atheist 10 mins ago I hope thats not a problem 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 while God is enjoying his chow 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣


Sure, for atheist to discover and meet God for real, he must have had a reason to slightly freak out. 🤣

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