SKR:OF LOOPS AND SYMBOLISMS #4: 1/08: updated on pg. 132

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Srutha

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Posted: 9 years ago

#1021

Shruthi, your take on Dharma of Ayodhya is very right.

Gauri, you are right in saying that in Mithila, Dharma exists, but doesn't mind.

Raghuveer is known as Maryada Purushottam not just for His Eka Patni Vrat vows, but also for His choice of Raja neeti over all else. He was called the ideal man; he dealt the same kind of justice to everyone, be it His brother, His queen or the people of Ayodhya. This Sita and Lakshman knew, and accepted. But some parts of the society say He is the one who threw His wife out. Did she protest? no. Sita accepted what He gave her, for though society separated them physically, in their hearts, they were always together. Irrespective of being separated for so many years, the world always hails them as SitaRama.

I know this discussion will come later as well, but I just want to point this out:

Does the world know Shri Ram's pain in sending His wife away? In sacrificing His loving Lakshman? I don't think they do. How can we judge He who was born to show us maryada, love, faith, devotion and truth?

Oh. And Gauri, your take on Rama being the bow and Sita the string is right. Lakshmana is the arrow. Sita herself says so in DP's book Sita. Draupadi says the same about her being the Shakti of the Pandavas when Jayadrath tries to kidnap her.

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 9 years ago

#1022

Parallels is all I am seeing. Will post analysis tomorrow. Sanju, Gowri, good takes. Will give detailed reply tomorrow. Typing from mobile is difficult

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vipraja26

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Posted: 9 years ago

#1023

Shruthi , that was a lovely comparison of Shantha and Kaikesi !

I hope we get to see these interesting points in SKR too !

Would sure be a delight to watch as it is this part which has not been widely known or mostly quite vaguely understood ( inna very superficial manner ) .The whole purpose of banishment was more a lesson to the Ayodhya vasis would be an eye opener to many a viewers too !

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Posted: 9 years ago

#1024

@Srutha di There are so many places where you can draw symbolisms and parallels in the Ramayan! Hoping to see your take soon! And really, Devduttji wrote that? What a coincidence!

True, our society is tuned in such a way that we always see the bad in everything, including God and religion. People call themselves perfectionists, and see imperfections in everything. I say that true perfectionists are those who see perfection in everything.

I am waiting for Sruthi di's and Janvhi di's analyses!

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26 July 2016

Ravan succeeds in taking on Ram's form, but fails to adapt his behavior. Because of this, Sita is able to recognize Ravan and once again prove her love for Ram. During the discussion between Ravan and Sita, Ravan circled Sita, and acted like two different people at different places. So, we can compare Sita to the Earth and Ravan's two faces to Mars and Venus. When Ravan was infront of Sita, Ravan tried to behave like Ram. Like Venus is named after the goddess of love, Ravan was just Ram, the loving husband, by name at that moment. But, under that veil, Ravan was bursting as he heard Sita taunt him, just like Venus' surface bubbles with volcanoes. When he was out of her sight, he acts like Ravan, the supporter of war and violence, just like Mars. He is stone-hearted, which is evident to anyone who looks at him, like Mars' stony surface and core. Even though Venus gets more light and is brighter than Mars, it can never match the radiance of the Sun, Ram. And the Earth is only attracted to it, so once again, Sita refuses Ravan, only for Ram.

After meeting Sita, Ravan is in deep thought. To help him get on the "right" track again, his ego has a talk with him. Ravan is irritated by his ego's taunts, and throws a vase at it, but instead the mirror in the room breaks. What does the mirror represent? It represents the soul, that the ego always tries to overpower. And the vase? Material desires. So, we can say, that when Ravan threw material desires at his body and indulged in them, his ego became stronger, and his soul became weaker. Because the ego's voice is now stronger, he listens to it, and goes on the path of Adharma. But, even after being weakened, the soul still does its job. It reflects what we really are and shows us the truth. And Ravan's soul showed him that his ego and his soul have all been broken to pieces. And that day won't be far when his body will be torn to pieces, all because of Ram's arrows.

The theme of this episode is support. Ravan has always had the support of Vibhishan and Mandodari, but now, they have left his side. But Ram and the army have Dharama's and each other's support, which will never diminish. I learned that Dharma is a powerful support, and its choice matters. If Dharma goes and supports Adharma, then Adharma can thrive all it wants, and no one will stop it. But, if Dharma supports Dharma, then even a handful of vanars can beat one of the greatest empires of their time.

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27 July 2016

Ravan, for the sake of his ego and selfishness, wakes up Kumbhakaran, so he can kill Ram. And this happens after a lot of struggle. First, the soldiers and attendants played loud music and poked Kumbhakaran with weapons. When that wasn't working, Ravan's brain started working, and he brought large amounts of food, and Kumbhakaran woke up due to their delicious aroma. What does this mean? If we torture our souls with the difficulties of life and Adharma, then it will never be able to steer us towards our goal, God. But, if we nourish it with love and happiness, then the path to God seems clear. But, Ravan doesn't understand this fully. He definitely brings food, but it wasn't brought out of love, and Kumbhakaran went to fight the war because his brother wanted him to. Like that, if you give your soul fake happiness, like material pleasures, then you trap yourself, and you will have to strive and find the path to God again. Give your soul happiness, and it will give you happiness. And if you give it troubles, it will trouble you. You get what you give.

Mandodari is surprised that her father, Mayasur, is supporting Lankesh in the battle against Ram, but Mayasur clears her doubt, and tells her that the war is the only way Ravan's ego will get destroyed. And he says the truth. The room they are talking in is filled with diyas, but the room still appears dark. Like that, many people might try to illuminate the room of Ravan's heart with Dharma, but the darkness of Adharma is too much. Now, only the Sun, Ram, can illuminate the room with the light that will change Ravan's heart for the better. When small doesn't work, think big.

The theme of the episode is worry. Sita is worried that Ram will kill an innocent in the upcoming battle, and Mandodari, as usual, is worried about the outcome of the war. The lesson that I learned from this episode is that worry is unnecessary. Both Sita and mandodari knew that the death of Ravan and Kumbhakaran was ineveitable, yet both of them were drowned in worry. You can look at any situation in life with two ways- you can either worry yourself to death or be positive and know that whatever happens is for the good. I would rather choose the second one.

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1 August 2016

Ravan gets the news of his brother's death, and he finally shows the world how broken he is. During his breakdown and his argument with Kaikesi, there was something peculiar about the placement of the Lanka family, Mandodari was behind Kaikesi and Meghnad and Mayasur were behind Ravan. This symbolizes a very profound truth- behind every Adharmic deed, there is the inaction of Dharma. Adharma thrives on the silence of Dharma, and it grows and grows and grows. And at the end, it kills the very Dharma it was living off of, just like a parasite. Only if Dharma acts, it can survive and destroy Adharma as well. If it doesn't die by pulling, kill it. What is more important is the survival of Dharma, not the momentous following of it. Because, if there is no Dharma, there is nothing to follow, and instead, you will forget it.

Ravan, in all of his grief and sorrow, decides to destroy the root of his familys miseries, Sita. Like an asteroid escaping from the Asteroid Belt, Ravan's sword is drawn from the sheath. It is about to strike, but something stops it. The atmosphere, or Mayasur. Even though the atmosphere is on both Earth and Mars, it is stronger on Earth. Mayasur is with Lankesh only for Dharma, and so he stops Ravan from killing it. After this intrusion, all is quiet, but this is only the quiet before the real storm.

The theme of this episode is regret. Kaikesi regrets letting her son have all of the freedom he wants, and giving him the values of ambition and selfishness. Ram is regretting that he might not be able to honor his traditions because of his personal problems, and Hanuman resolves to make it happen. We have to learn from the past, live in the present, and make the future, where is the place for regret? Whenever we do something, it is done. Just shut the gate behind you, and forget about it. Do good boldly and sin boldly.

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Sanjana

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Posted: 9 years ago

#1028

Srutha Di is right in DP book she says this before vanvas if am not mistaken.

Gauri Di a small vanar sena defeats the biggest kingdom of that time at the same time the same sena along with ayodha forces, bharat, shatrughn gets defeated by Luv and kush for at that Time dharm sided the sons of vaidehi and ram. And one more thing was ravan controls himself even after hearing bad things. Where does this self control come from only because he has taken the avatar of Ram

Jai Sita Ram

Shruthi Di waiting...

Jhanvi Di unres please

What hanuman is to ramayan and Krishna to mb sruthi Di have u made analysis of this or has there been discussion somewhere felt like reading this not sure.

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Srutha

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Posted: 9 years ago

#1029

Excellent takes, Gauri 😊

I loved how you brought out Sita identifying Ravan. The problem for me with the Lanka thing is that Sita stares straight at Ravana, which she doesn't do according to Valmiki Ramayan. This is sthree Dharma.

When the soul is overcome by any negative emotion, Adharma becomes rampant within one's self. The soul is the purest part of the body. The soul automatically follows Dharma. But when the soul is overcome by negativity, Adharma starts. We need to throw negativity away if we want to understand and follow Dharma. In Ravan's case, his pride and arrogance at his victory is what led to part of his downfall. The other of course, is kidnapping a woman, which is the greatest sin of all.

Even a little Dharma present where Adharma is rampant will lead to downfall. Let me draw parallels. Vibhishan is a Dharmatma. He realized that Dharma could never flourish under Ravana's Adharma, and left Lanka in search of Dharma, Shri Rama. But in Mahabharat, Bhishma, Dronacharya, Kripacharya and Angaraj all stay back, though they also know Dharma. Bhishma chose his oath over true Dharma, Dronacharya, his son, Kripacharya, his sister, and Angaraj, his personal Dharma, loyalty. They all knew Dharma was Shri Krishna, and hence, the Pandavas were Dharma as well, but still, they chose the other side. Mahabharata has all these complications that we never see in Ramayana.

For the Kumbhakarna's death reaction by Ravan, I am staying mum till I see Lakshman Shakti.

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 9 years ago

#1030

Gowri beautiful analysis. I loved your take that behind every adharma, there is inaction of dharma. It is very true. Crime doesn't happen because of 1% criminals but due to the silence of 99% others. Unless it hit you hard you chose to ignore.

Sanju I have not made explicit analysis of Hanuman and Krishna. But you cant miss the parallels. One key difference is Krishna is Vishnu, Hanuman is Rudra. Krishna's intentions are hidden in Moh Maya, but Hanuman with his words tell the right things at the right time. But to understand Hanuman, you have to understand Krishna and get knowledge from him. Krishna is poornavatar, guru who gives knowledge. Everything you need to succeed in this material world he has provided in the form of Gita to anyone who surrender to him the way Arjuna does. So once you understand the essence of Gita you will know what is your duty. That's what Hanuman shows. To be a balm to anyone's pain. Sankat Mochan Namm tumharo is what Hanuman is called. The best service we can do to Lord is by alleviating the pain of someone. By providing help within our means.

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