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Posted: 9 years ago
Yes true that about the Sanskriti and Praktriti. And to bring out a hypocrisy to the masses is a tough job in itself, and greater is not being labelled for it. People were good in the past, and so they understood Krishna and Rama to be the Avatars of Parmatama.. Today the situation has many faces to it..
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Posted: 9 years ago
Hello people 😃
Awesome analysis 👏
After hearing all of ur views, i have picturized sanskriti & prakriti as yin & yang 😆
I have a question (sry guys i knw am always pestering you people but cant help it 😳)
When Mandodari & Vibhishan approached Kaikasi, why did she accuse Mandodari as Ravan's margh ka bhaada?
Before Ravan became trilokadhipathi even Kaikasi was worried about his future & that was when Mando bought the Amrit kalash right? 😕 So what made her feel so confident on Ravan's capabilities? Was it just his power of being trilokadhipathi? A mother should always bring her child to the right path na
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Posted: 9 years ago
A mother like Kaikasi who wants power and believes that she will get power if her son becomes lord of the 3 worlds are actually a bane. Mahatwakamsha in a woman is destructive for the world than mahatwakamsha in a man. Actually if you see our TV soaps have glorified this women as sanskaari saas. Kaikasi to me looked like the standard saas of TV soap who will use bahu as and when needed. Like getting amrita kalash. But does not reprimand her son for the wrongs as long as she can enjoy the power. And poor bahu ends up solving problems. Actually Kaikasi-Mandodari looked to be the saas-bahu of the classic TV soap.
Powerful saas and crying sanskaari bahu. 😆😆. I would love to give it to SKR team for showing my long held belief of what TV shows showing are not Ram and Sita but something else. Now they fit the bill.That pitiable crying lady with mangalsutra and sindoor is mandodari and not Sita.
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Posted: 9 years ago
A well connected episode. Ravan realizes in his attempt that Sita has been secured by the Sanyasi's but really I can't understand why the Cvs are making every one chant Sanyasi's even after their identity was revealed. Ravan knew they are raghukul Princes and still proclaim them as Sanyasi's may be he want to think that they are less powerful in this Ashram (Sanyasa) than as Kshathriyas. But the truth was he was aware of their strength well in advance as they had killed his whole army along with his brother (cousins?). So here comes Ravan in disguise and try hard to make Sita aware of his presence with his loud outburst. Sita shook by her reverence and came to her senses and apologize for her mistake and invite him inside.
But hadn't Lakshman warned her that mayavi asuras may come in disguise of Rishi's? But still she invites him forgetting the instructions and then Ravan rejects it by saying he doesn't enter into Grahasta Ashram which is a clear indication that something is wrong but in her anxiety, Sita doesn't realize that and reveals her promise to her BIL. yet again Ravan threatens her that if she sends the Sanyasi empty handed, it may result in her Viyog with that person for whom she is not crossing the line where in he was not sure who had put that safety / sacred line which he could not cross. It was hooting in the dark and it hit its spot, had she realized he was hinting her husband, she had no reasons to worry as the line was drawn by her BIL. When he had specifically in clear words talked about her distancing from her husband, she was concerned of her Kul ka maryada. If she had to uphold her kul ka maryada, she had to keep up her promise to her brother in law as well as she knew what it means to break a vachan to her husband. Either way she had to break on promise, so it would have been better she had waited for her husband & brother in law to come than breaking her promise to both. She did gave word to Ram that she will not come out of the Ashram till his return.
So it was not Raghukul Maryada she was concerned at that moment (as per SKR) but her distancing from her husband.
Sorry, if I hurt everyone's feelings here with this post. But I didn't like that dialogue Cvs made Ravan to utter and Sita succumbing to it. They could have made him say something in line with her clan that they will suffer some ill fate or something but not this dialogue. It was like I got a stone in the morsel I was relishing.
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Posted: 9 years ago
Shruthi di... i also felt the same after seeing Mando's state 🤢
The funniest part is that all the sanskaari bahus either dream of having a life partner like Ram or Krishna 😆
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Posted: 9 years ago
@jaya Sita tells her kul ki maryada, but more than that what caught my attention was raghunandan ke dwar se koi khali haat nahi jaata or no one goes from raghunandan's door empty handed. See that empathy of Ram and the vachan of her BIL that caught her. See she is clear not someone from her dwar, but raghunandan's dwar going empty handed. At that point Sita not only represented herself, but also Ram. if she sends back someone empty handed, it is like Ram sending someone back empty handed. Even when viyod dialogue happens she hesitates. Stand there. But it is the fact that no one can go from raghunandan's dwar empty handed makes her cross the line.
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Posted: 9 years ago
@jaya you bought a very important point on vachan palan. But at certain times you end in conflict with vachan palan. So some times you will have to let go of vachan palan.
It happens with Shantanu with Ganga. After she throws 7 babies, Shantanu stops her. It happens with Vasudev. He does not actually give the 8th born to Kamsa. And Krishna threatens to break vachan of his not taking weapon on 9th day of war if Arjun wont fight Bhishma
So though vachan is important, there will be conflicting things in life where vachan will have to broken and Krishna does break his vachan on 14th day of war. By taking the sudarshan and hiding the sun.
But when to break vachan, for what to break vachan is a conscious choice we have to make.
And that is why vashisth tells Dasrath don't give vachans loosely. They can get you in trouble if you don't do justice to them.
On a side note read a book " Promise". It is a heartwarming love story of conflicting promises of the leading lady. I can tell you one thing. The book will leave you with a smile and a emotional satisfaction when you reach the last page.
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Posted: 9 years ago
Vachan paalan has always been as complex as dharma for me 😆
No one goes empty handed from Raghunandhan's door was Ram's vachan & not crossing the line was Sita's vachan. Here Sita's vachan wasnt fulfilled, to establish dharma. Similarly Krishna had also made 2 promises. One was to not use weapons and another was to end adharma. So to establish dharma he had to choose the other one 😳
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Posted: 9 years ago
@ Shruthi, yes I am aware of all the incidents you have mentioned above of breaking the promise, but as you know they were of later time or from Dwaparayuga. No I am no problem in agreeing with you all on Sita's reason for crossing the rekha but as we also aware that the rekha drwn by Lakshman was an invisible one and was exactly at the threshold of the Ashram but here they had given us scope of at least 5 to 6 feet from the ashram boundary, was illuminating which could be seen by one and all. There was clearly no need for Sita uttering the word, I have given promise to my Devar as she was still out of the Ashram and would have given the alms staying still within the given rekha just by stretching her hands.
I have problem with CVs to make it so evident that Ravan could clear view the Rekha and it was too far from the threshold. I know Sita as Raghukul vadhu and Ranm's wife had to follow the practice of giving alms to the monger, and she had to cross the threshold.
You know even today in some villages, they don't allow the ladies of the family to go out of the main door (which will have many more doors within) and are not allowed to give any offerings to outsiders after dusk.
btw, who is the author of that book?
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Posted: 9 years ago
@jaya actually the dharma rekha or Lakshman rekha is invisible, CVs here showed it visible for people to understand on what power Lakshman is able to draw the rekha. I had put it in another post on the epi where Lakshman draws the rekha.
We need to understand the invisible rekha of protection that our loved ones leave for us. Ravan though sees the rekha does not understand the power behind it. But atleast we should understand the power of dharma rekha.
And yes I understood what you were trying to say.
Promise is by Daniel Steel. It is actually an English movie whose screenplay was later adapted into the book.

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