my note as a MBBS doctor - change the system EDIT - Page 3

@earth1978

Come on! I never said all doctors want to endanger lives!😡

You first correct your way of reading a post, then respond. Please do not accuse me of saying what I did not.

Don't give me this Hippocratic Oath thing. Half of the people in my family are doctors, including my own dad. And even they admitted malpractices do exist in their profession.

I was pointing at doctors who indulge in corrupt malpractices and try to justify it all by giving excuses of their low pay, or taxing working conditions or hard work they did throughout life.

No one ignores hard work of a doctor. I am only responding when you guys say why only highlight corruption in medical profession, why not anywhere else. This is odd. And frankly speaking, other professions do not directly endanger or influence a person's very existence and one may or may not need other service in his lifetime, but one definitely needs a doctor at some point or other. This is why highlighting and correcting medical malpractices is an urgent need!! Doctors should take it positively and clean up mess in their own field, rather than taking insult or denying such things don't happen at all. Even if a small number of doctors are doing malpractices, still somewhere some person's life is being jeopardised due to such doctors. So one has to raise voice against it, and try to correct it all, instead of choosing not to talk about it at all.

Originally posted by: znursingh

OMG! You got SINUSITIS?! In a village?? Is that a life threatening disease? People living in cities are immune to this disease?(Not a doctor so ignorant AND living in a village where there are DEATHS of mothers & infants,but no rapes or kidnappings-not in the last twelve years that I have lived here)
>>While doing your rural service in the Godforsaken village were kidnappings and rapes rampant in the village?
>>Do you KNOW that 90% of Indians LIVE in villages? Sunning a bed is adequate to dry out moisture from the most soaked charpai!
>>You had to make do with torches? Did the villagers have even that?
>>You ARE married & have a daughter! So why pose it as a hypothetical situation?? IS your husband a Doctor? Do you practice in the US/Canada? NO? So you took the grant that the GOI doled out and then went off to greener pastures!
>>Do soldier's not stay away from their families for long periods AND with much less pay & MORE dangers...so why not the doctors? YOU opted to serve people, you took the Government dole and when it comes to rural service you crib?
>>Crores of children live and are educated in Indian villages-FYI-your children could have too-but you were seduced by the "charms" of living in the US,weren't you?
>>COLORS OF THE CITY?! If you not been sneering at the deprived lives villagers were living while doing rural service-you MAY have noticed the colors of rural India

Originally posted by: annika20

@earth1978

Come on! I never said all doctors want to endanger lives!😡

You first correct your way of reading a post, then respond. Please do not accuse me of saying what I did not.

Don't give me this Hippocratic Oath thing. Half of the people in my family are doctors, including my own dad. And even they admitted malpractices do exist in their profession.

I was pointing at doctors who indulge in corrupt malpractices and try to justify it all by giving excuses of their low pay, or taxing working conditions or hard work they did throughout life.

No one ignores hard work of a doctor. I am only responding when you guys say why only highlight corruption in medical profession, why not anywhere else. This is odd. And frankly speaking, other professions do not directly endanger or influence a person's very existence and one may or may not need other service in his lifetime, but one definitely needs a doctor at some point or other. This is why highlighting and correcting medical malpractices is an urgent need!! Doctors should take it positively and clean up mess in their own field, rather than taking insult or denying such things don't happen at all. Even if a small number of doctors are doing malpractices, still somewhere some person's life is being jeopardised due to such doctors. So one has to raise voice against it, and try to correct it all, instead of choosing not to talk about it at all.

Originally posted by: charminggenie

This post brought back my memories of me being an aspirant of this field, infact i did made it through to a prestigious med school only to realize soon enough that i was more driven to it emotionally then nythin else and hence i found my calling in sumthing else happily.But my journey was a true eye-opener, so here are my two-cents.

"Why does one decide to be a doc?" this is a very important questions as the actions are interelated, is it the desire to serve people, one's skills best suited for this profession,or is the money and the fame that precedes it or the whole totality of it. There is nothing wrong in any of these reasons as I beleive that want can be anything its the ways we get them that should be questioned.

If one's life aim is to serve people, then the only frustration i see if in terms of facilites available , there can be nothing of any importance to that person.
If one has the best suited talent , then he would be able to make a mark , he would thrive on all the challeges his job would present and his aim will solely be to better than his/her best.
Now is its the money and fame, then i see nothing wrong in getting these as well, our's is a country with immense opportunities espcially as there is a blooming privatization in the medical profession.There are large number of nursing rooms mushrooming around, all eager to lay hands on a limited supply of highly trained doctors.Also i feel many will pay extra few buks to visit a doctor who might charge a bit more but can provide an honest and sincere treatment.

The point I am trying to make is that irrespective of the reasons I fail to see the motivation for a Doctor to play with someone's life or indulge in illegal activities like female foeticide,medicine scams etc.

Now the blame cannot be put on the govt solely but the major chunk as superbly highlighted by SJ is the inefficiency o the IMA- it failes to break down this doc-pharma nexus, doesnt take stringent actions against misdemenours and public is not imformed about a doctor's wrong doings. It fails to regulate and implement its actions.All it comes across as a body with Docs vying for political millege, it twice appointed a chairman who was convicted for corruption. It should be its duty to report hospitals, doctors and other staff whoi ndulge in malpratices.

Now for the issue medical education, though India has highly subsidised medical education but the number of seats available is very less, I remember when i gave AIIMS exam there were 34 general seats nationwide and other had 7 seats, so this does brings the need for private education.These insititutes charge lakhs but many of them dont adher to the baisc guidlines presented medical council. I feel govt should provide loan facilites to candidates going for private education and sign them up for gov positions for "n" number of years, once they complete their education. THis way such universites will be regulated and students would get the employment.

I agree we need to revise the pay scale of junior doctors ,in particular but then they should be contracted for a particualr number of years.This will solve the problem of fewer doctors across country and streamline education all across.

Now for doctors serving the rural areas, ts not like v are asking a delhi bred to go to the dense jungles of jharkhand, its more about serving the local area whereever the medical school is based. Intership year can be used to rotate students across lesser developed areas , it can be both a learning experience as well as a satisfying spell for a budding doctor.It can be achieved by patnership between the med school and a particular local area.

Yes, ofcourse the onus for the govt is to improve infrastructure both in rural and urban areas and to increase the number of med schools.
It can only be strong govt action which can break the doc-pharma nexus, generic medicines is right step.

See the intent of SJ was never to question doctors but it talked about accountibility which is essential for every profession and even medicine should be brought under its scan.COz not only it deals with the lives of millions but also it effects future doctors who are left to deal with the mindless politics played by the bigger sharks.

See no profession is easy, we might see sumone earn big money but we dont see the tension and hardships that go behind it. Noone will question a doctor earnings if he is ensured that his health is in safe hands and he wont be cheated.Accountability and regulation is very much desired coz this profession is so spread across both public and private sector and it deals wth the hleath of the nation.It has to be the no 1 priority of the govt, so rather than beleiving SJ's episode as a judgemental mouthpiece, Doctors should push for greater healthcare reforms, sadly right now they by blaming SJ are coming out as the shadier side -not the gvt,the pharmas or the IMA

Originally posted by: bewafa

I would like to make a suggestion...can we please stop bringing bechara Hippocrates into the picture? 😆

I agree he immersed himself into the field of medicine...but that was a looonnnggg time ago 😆

Sorry, had to make this fun post...because people are getting riled up and also...am trying spread awareness of the difference between "hypocrite" and "Hippocrates" 😆

The word you guys are looking for is *hypocrite 😆

Originally posted by: earth1978

haha u want to recommend all students in their 12th standard just about to enter medical school so that hey sleep in damp beds or sun them out , get sinusitis and tell them they should eductae their children in village!

Normally I never jump into an argument that two people are having, but this I had to say -

If any 12th class student was thinking of setting up their nursery, I would be inclined to take the hide off their bottom. The way you talk it is as though all the people who live in villages suffer from constant agues and chills and good forbid "sinusitis"

Not a doctor, but isn't "sinusitis" a temporary cold where the sinus is blocked and not the throat? Not a life threatening disease is it?

And seriously if the condition in villages is that bad, there SHOULD be MORE DOCTORS going there, rather than less.

a very good incentive i must say for someone who is investing lakhs of rupees in his education.
The investment is not by the student, but his parents. I seriously doubt any student has got the wealth for investment into a medical education. It is the parents who make that investment. and that because the student is not smart enough or bright enough to secure a seat purely based on merit. As it is the students who are paying "lakhs of rupees" in fees have failed to secure the rank required to go to a decent college. They are not up to the par and are now mooching off on their parents' hard-earned money for the sake of personal ambition.

AWW KID PLEASE GO AND HAVE A DRINK AND CHILL OUT.

im not even angry at u now i wanna pull ur cheek :D😉

because you have reached the ripe OLD age of 32 doesn't mean that others are kids. Do not act patronizing.

Seriously get treatment for your persecution complex, no one was out to get you till you turned an absolutely delightful discussion into a blood-bath of sorts. By the way all the posters here are far more older than you, have seen more of the world and know where they stand, you on the other hand need to do a lot of growing up to do.

Maturity doesn't come with age, contrary to what you think.