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Posted: 13 years ago
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@comebackmaaneet: U've totally misunderstood Aamir & his show. He is neither propagating intercaste or inter-religion marriages nor he is completely asking us to adopt these kinda marriages. He just wants to make clear that it is utter barbarism & savagery to kill one's own children JUST for the sake of one's so-called honour.
You might not have noticed that at the end of the show he advised all the young ones to take an advantage of their parents' experience coz they have definitely seen more life than us. Aamir simply wants to take this country out of the marsh.. a marsh of bloody superstitions..🤢 a marsh of damned "parampara"😳

I'm with Aamir with all my heart & soul. Even I made my maa sit and watch this particular episode. Dunno whether she has got some lesson or not.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: nniks

@TM u have missed the wholw point of the show...Amir khan is not propogating inter caste or intereligion marriages...I know most people would prefer tht their kids get married within their community but suppos ur kids disobey and decide to get married by their choice...the parents or community have no right to torture and kill them.

They might remain upset but killing ur own child for the sake of honour is barbaric.
similarly we can ban inter religion marriage...there are probs in interreligion marriage like adjusting to a new culture but if both partners are willing to adjust it should not cause a prob.
Love jihad and all are separate issues...
Parents do not own their kids ...once they r adults they have right to take independent decisions.
similarly for gotra issue...gotra issue was valid when polulation was small and most people of one gotra were related.
but now with 2 billion population and diverse gene pool I wonder gotra issue is valid.If 2 people are not blood relatives why is same gotra marriage still a taboo ??
My husband and me belong to same gotra but we r not related we had an arranged marriage and gotra was never an issue.
We have a son he's perfectly healthy and normal kid infact he's taller and much more intelligent than avg kids of his age.
So claiming same gotra marriage affects the progeny in baseless.


Even I am objecting killing but it will not stop by preaching and opposing it sill stop when we understand the feelings of both parents and children and not just children..

To avoid killings,to avoid exploitation of both parents and lovers it is important to consider point of view of both..

Hence law shud be enforced to protect feelings of both parents and children and not just one...

This imbalance in particular is a major reason which has led to those incidents and this imbalance where the constitution favuring only the children under the name of freedom will only intensify the belief of those who kill lovers...

To pacify and kill this habit and passion of killing lovers a set of law with rules protecting rights of both parents and children will rule out involvement of so called society and outsiders...


Following rules shud be introduced...

1) It shud be mandatory to take approval of both living parents ( of boy and girl) in case of marriage and in rare cases if they are not alive then government should approve with certain terms and conditions.


2) An independent body shud be made to keep a check on inter religious marriages which ensures there is no conversion and identity of the individuals is kept intact...

3) The idea of an individual has a right to choose his own religion is good but activities like luv jihad and other forceful conversions under the name of love and marriage has seriously hurt this thought where many raise questions over the true reasons of conversion,if it is by will or force or no other choice,specially in case of girls who marry a boy from other religion,hence an law shud be enforced where the identity will remain the same after marriage.

4) Children shud be given exposure to both religions and not one and this shud be taken care by enforcing law..

5) Respect and tolerance toward other religion shud not be kept merely as preaches and part of politicians speech but shud be practiced with law ensuring it...

We as Indians are multi cultural country...its unlike west or other nations where the country has one dominant religion and culture..


Our constituion is influenced by the british constituion..the british constituion is influenced by their cultural beliefs..their cultural beleif is based on their religion and since UK had one religion as predominant they never had issues with love marriages...if the opposite partner is gud...

This is wht that panchayat guy was trying to explain and aamir made fun of him,this is the only episode where he did not try to get to the root cause why?

Becoz aamir knew wht is the root cause...and it is a sensitive topic..

It is religion and he was either afraid or too diplomatic to throw light on it...

The moment other cultures became part of countries like UK,france and US or canada..they are now facing the same issues wht we are discussing...

Even they dont accept inter religion marriages with open heart...be it under the name of religion,color or origin,they are similar to us...

If u r objecting killing then suggest solutions as well and the five points are my solution to define boundary and avoid such idiotic killings...

Merely carrying out candle march,writing I oppose,I oppose wont change anything...

Its law and proper law protecting both rights of parents and children will rectify and stop such acts..and with time when impact of religion on our life pacifies everything will be normal
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Posted: 13 years ago
#33

Originally posted by: ComebackMaaneet


Even I am objecting killing but it will not stop by preaching and opposing it sill stop when we understand the feelings of both parents and children and not just children..

To avoid killings,to avoid exploitation of both parents and lovers it is important to consider point of view of both..

Hence law shud be enforced to protect feelings of both parents and children and not just one...

This imbalance in particular is a major reason which has led to those incidents and this imbalance where the constitution favuring only the children under the name of freedom will only intensify the belief of those who kill lovers...

To pacify and kill this habit and passion of killing lovers a set of law with rules protecting rights of both parents and children will rule out involvement of so called society and outsiders...


Following rules shud be introduced...

1) It shud be mandatory to take approval of both living parents ( of boy and girl) in case of marriage and in rare cases if they are not alive then government should approve with certain terms and conditions.


2) An independent body shud be made to keep a check on inter religious marriages which ensures there is no conversion and identity of the individuals is kept intact...

3) The idea of an individual has a right to choose his own religion is good but activities like luv jihad and other forceful conversions under the name of love and marriage has seriously hurt this thought where many raise questions over the true reasons of conversion,if it is by will or force or no other choice,specially in case of girls who marry a boy from other religion,hence an law shud be enforced where the identity will remain the same after marriage.

4) Children shud be given exposure to both religions and not one and this shud be taken care by enforcing law..

5) Respect and tolerance toward other religion shud not be kept merely as preaches and part of politicians speech but shud be practiced with law ensuring it...

We as Indians are multi cultural country...its unlike west or other nations where the country has one dominant religion and culture..


Our constituion is influenced by the british constituion..the british constituion is influenced by their cultural beliefs..their cultural beleif is based on their religion and since UK had one religion as predominant they never had issues with love marriages...if the opposite partner is gud...

This is wht that panchayat guy was trying to explain and aamir made fun of him,this is the only episode where he did not try to get to the root cause why?

Becoz aamir knew wht is the root cause...and it is a sensitive topic..

It is religion and he was either afraid or too diplomatic to throw light on it...

The moment other cultures became part of countries like UK,france and US or canada..they are now facing the same issues wht we are discussing...

Even they dont accept inter religion marriages with open heart...be it under the name of religion,color or origin,they are similar to us...

If u r objecting killing then suggest solutions as well and the five points are my solution to define boundary and avoid such idiotic killings...

Merely carrying out candle march,writing I oppose,I oppose wont change anything...

Its law and proper law protecting both rights of parents and children will rectify and stop such acts..and with time when impact of religion on our life pacifies everything will be normal


@comebackmaaneet: I guess..You haven't seen the show properly. Aamir always repeats in his each episode that he has no intention of intervening in the work of law or court whatsoever. There are some topics on which one cannot suggest any SOLUTION.. one can only make people understand the pros & cons of these bloody superstitions & paramparaas..😡
Please dont raise such lame questions on Aamir's clean intentions.

If you have any then please suggest some solutions to stop these killings???
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: guptarashi


@comebackmaaneet: I guess..You haven't seen the show properly. Aamir always repeats in his each episode that he has no intention of intervening in the work of law or court whatsoever. There are some topics on which one cannot suggest any SOLUTION.. one can only make people understand the pros & cons of these bloody superstitions & paramparaas..😡
Please dont raise such lame questions on Aamir's clean intentions.

If you have any then please suggest some solutions to stop these killings???

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Dear read the five points which are solution to these problems and i feel a strict law will only stop this blood shed and shere nonsense.

Point is are we ready and willing to do some adjustments,understand our barriers and respect our basic responsibilities towards family and society and rather be selfish and think about love,love and only love ...which on most occasion is out of lust
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Posted: 13 years ago
#36
See..It is not about selfishness or thinking exclusively about love and only love. It is about co-operativeness & understanding between parents and their children.
If a girl wants to marry a guy of her own choice & her parents forcibly stop her from doing the same just coz it would be against their honour..it would upset their relatives and bla then its a sheer savagery on part of parents. Coz if that guy is well-settled then I dont think there is anything else which is necessary.. & caste toh bilkul bhi nahi. 😡
& the points you have suggested do not fall in the category of solution. [No offences] but its true. We cannot call them solution to this grave problem.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: guptarashi

See..It is not about selfishness or thinking exclusively about love and only love. It is about co-operativeness & understanding between parents and their children.

If a girl wants to marry a guy of her own choice & her parents forcibly stop her from doing the same just coz it would be against their honour..it would upset their relatives and bla then its a sheer savagery on part of parents. Coz if that guy is well-settled then I dont think there is anything else which is necessary.. & caste toh bilkul bhi nahi. 😡
& the points you have suggested do not fall in the category of solution. [No offences] but its true. We cannot call them solution to this grave problem.



You said about communication and the rules I suggested would first of all remove this fear in minds of parents about their children when they will know their rights are protected too..

Then communication will happen..

Now it is one way..children rights are protected and parents are left only to accept whtever they do..

Navya show on the same channel star plus was introduced with the same concept and social issue...

If rights of both are saved then they will sit down and discuss and explore options..

One of my Muslim friend married a hindu girl with approval from the girl's parents on one promise tht her identity wont change and nor her religion and she wont be converted ...

This was understanding but can this be expected from all...no...

For this we need law protecting interest of parents too who get the chance to evaluate the motive of the other person their family...

Now poor parents have no other option but to watch their child do whtever he or she thinks is right...


You cannot deny the fact that our life influences life of our parents and society we live in..

I care damn about society ..al i have written is in favour of parents...

Those who marry without parents approval are crying they cried on the show and the one who gave message on the show misses her parents...

Children just cant get so selfish tht they crush feelings of those who gave them birth and made them stand...

One thing I know is parents are not merely there to give aashirvaad...and their rights and feelings towards their children shud be considered as well rather than crushed and force them to do unethical acts like wht we call " social issue" honour killing..

Protect their rights too and see the outcome...respect their feelings and rights and only then communication will happen when law is same for both parents and children in this matter and both have the right to express their point of view..

becoz law gives children the freedom to choose,doesnt mean parent's feelings are compromised and their point of view is ignored by claiming we are adults and we can take care of our self...and u have nothing to do about it and u cannot interfere...

parents will do wht we hv been seeing in society becoz law does not protect their rights and provoke them to take law in their hand..this is where outsiders jump in and so does society..

My points as solutions may be somewht not acceptable becoz they are tough and harsh...and bring children out of their comfort zoneof choosing their life partner where their parents have the right to interfere and give their view..

Tht's y it is not appealing and i know tht...


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Posted: 13 years ago
#38
Areyy I'm not advocating or speaking in favour of Love Marriages.. I just want to say that if a child wants to marry to the person of his/her own choice then parents ko sirf ye consider krna chahiye that whether that person is employed or not..& he/she must belong to well-off family.. BUT hota kya h ..parents actually start considering CASTE & Religion & make a mess of their lives.. my point is CASTE must not be considered as a criteria for marriage..baaki even I'm not in favour of crushing parents' desires for their children..BUT if they oppose intercaste marriage then it must have some LOGIC behind it..not this crappy caste system.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I guess most of us here had got an obsessive compulsive disorder to complain against this show!
[Apologies if it offends but aren't you people tired?]

Dear friend what you say was insensible wasn't insensible at all.
And definitely feelings of both parents and children should be taken into consideration but aren't you forgetting something parents have had their share of joys and sorrow and now its time for their children to enjoy the same.

Did you even notice how animalistic those people were.

To tell you same-gotra people aren't blood related or brother or sister for that matter I am a religious person too and have great-good interest in history but this is a piece of bu**-shit.

I rather would say somewhere you just proved you still is a staunch believer of old-rituals.

And to tell you love-marriages are still a taboo in our Country!

So I'd rather say Aamir doesn't need any background check but yes we people do!


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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: fire.whiskey

I guess most of us here had got an obsessive compulsive disorder to complain against this show!
[Apologies if it offends but aren't you people tired?]


Dear friend what you say was insensible wasn't insensible at all.
And definitely feelings of both parents and children should be taken into consideration but aren't you forgetting something parents have had their share of joys and sorrow and now its time for their children to enjoy the same.

Did you even notice how animalistic those people were.

To tell you same-gotra people aren't blood related or brother or sister for that matter I am a religious person too and have great-good interest in history but this is a piece of bu**-shit.

I rather would say somewhere you just proved you still is a staunch

believer of old-rituals.

And to tell you love-marriages are still a taboo in our Country!

So I'd rather say Aamir doesn't need any background check but yes we people do!





I love the show, I am an aamir khan admirer, i liked his previous episodes but not this...

I said if it is scientifically proved that same gotra marriages do not result in genetically weak children then I will not oppose same gotra marriage...

there is some reason behind not allowing same gotra marriage and only scientific analysis will prove whether it is blind faith or brilliance of our fore fathers who knew why same gotra marriages are not fruitful...

as far as our parents are concerned...even i had a great time in college days and cared damn about barriers but soon came to know even so called metro culture and modernisation is not untouched by religious barriers...

My personal experience is what I have mentioned in my article and is something which i never beleived in born but was forced to accept becoz it is truth of our society..

Even saif ali khan in one of his interview pre release of agent vinod accepted religion does matter ...when u go out to ask work,when u hunt for place to live in...


In USA...it is even more worse...


Why do u think " My name is Khan was made"


Becoz religion does matter and differentiation happens...


not just in India but everywhere...


When we are differentiated on the basis of religion and name then how can one cud even think of "inter religious marriages" when it is such an important part of one' life and his or her family and parents...


may be i am not good enough to put forth my point in words or may be the world is living in blind hope with eyes closed on the most important reason of the so called man made social issues...

"My Religion my identity"...

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