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Posted: 13 years ago
#11
If what you are saying, you believe wholeheartedly, then wouldn't the better solution to stop killings in the name of religion be to abolish religion altogether?

Religion is a framework to keep society functional, it is not the excuse for murder and mayhem. There is only one reason for murder and that is bloodlust. Do not justify killing in the name of religion, caste or community. Not going to wash.

The answer to your questions in any decent family would be:

1. Yes inter-religion marriage would be acceptable. After all the parents would want the happiness of their children above all things, and if that is where the kids' happiness lies so be it.

2. The foundation of any marriage whether love or otherwise is mutual respect, trust and the desire to build a life together. If some people find that commitment before tying the proverbial knot, why does it hurt you so much?

3. If most love marriages end in divorce, one can also argue that most arranged marriages end in dowry deaths, harassment of the DIL on some pretext or other and physical and emotional abuse and incompatibility. But perhaps you prefer such miserable existence to life with dignity.

Btw both your statement about love marriages ending in divorce and my statement about arranged marriages ending in trauma are extremist and do not have any factual basis, but then neither does anything you've said so far..


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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: vincikhurana



well this shows that u r against inter religion marriages...which is certainly wrong!
its not amir khan's fault...it is probably yours
i agree parents have a complete right on their children...but it is child whose suppose to marry...
they may not agree if they find the selected boy/girl not right for their child but if they do not agree because of his religion or caste then their is a problem with the society...n people who think that way(well i guess including the topic maker)...
and also gotra means from same lineage ...marrying within family or brother/sister/cousin etc does give problem genetically but not "gotra" as a whole...
get your facts right please...👎🏼

Its you who thinks like this but do you believe majority think like this if yes then aamir wud have not raised this topic...
The fact is majority may accept marriages which happen within the religion but not inter religion..
Why..becoz the moment girl child marries someone out of the religion her identity changes...completely ..this is a fact and parents out there have this fear..
Tht's y to start with they dont favour girl child,if a girl child does come to life...then they hesitate higher studies of the girl child with the same fear of inter religion marriage atleast...if not inter caste...
Common yaar...be it hindu muslim christian or anyone no one accepts inter religion marriage with open heart and this is a dominant fact of this nation and majority families...
fact is one may accept marriages within same religion and the exampl aamir gave in the last segment was a marriage between a maharastrian and marwaadi...
Both though different are similar in many ways,the culture and belief the identity is similar ...
Did he give inter religion marriage acceptance example? no...
There may be many examples but they form only some percentage against the majority disapprovals..
Inter religion marriage is seen as an attack and sacrifice of religion and identity..whether it is a boy or girl marrying..
Incase og boys the circumstances are comparatively less severe than a girl child...the whole identity changes and this is a dominant belief and why this is a dominant belief shud hv been address rather than showing such incidents happen which we already see around and know it happens..
thts y a flop shw and waste of time..and research
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: fire_gun

let me simplify the episode... episode says that lovers has not done such crime by doing love marriage that they should be killed..parents may get upset from their decision but taking their life and torturing them is some thing which cant be justified ... more power to aamir and satyamev jayte😊..in my opinion child may take wrong decision in choosing right life partner but they should not be killed for love marriage

Fantastic...yes I believe in that and strongly support and I am not confused...I said...law shud be enforced to protect rights of both lovers and parents and not just lovers..
Itna bada show navya aata hai on the same topic yaar..
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Aamir doesn't need to give an example of inter-religion marriage, bot his ex-wife and current wife are Hindus, practicing Hindus and he's a practicing Moslem.

And DO NOT stand as a champion of Hindu Dharma, bigots like you have no concept of what Hinduism is all about. You wouldn't even begin to know the meaning of the word Dharma.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: monamie111


i was a silent reader of this forum..but this topic just made me post something!! u r talking like u r from the ancient ages... 😆 😆

@ bold blue...

the marriages they showed in today's episode they were not between cousins or family members!!...genetically problem happens only if u marry ur family members, means someone with whom u have blood relation..like ur brother, sister, cousins etc...but does same gotra means that u have blood relation with that person? 😕... when two person do not belong from same family, then why can't they marry each other when they loves each other!!? 😲

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one more thing i just want to write...why we can't just be a HUMAN BEING irrespective of our cast, creed, religion, color?..it is the greatest crime of this world to kill someone in the name of religion! and the people r doing this...saying that its "parampara" and its a sin etc etc...i bet they have half-knowledge about religion, about science!! and they r doing the crime actually...
u r talking about hindu religion! well, there are many other religions in this world which actually allow marriages between cousins!! there are different rules for different religion..different countries...and it is very difficult to judge which one is right and which one not!...but definitely i can not be agree with u...bcoz i can not tolerate such heinous act of killing innocent people in the name of "gotra", "religion"...whatever!! we should try to be a good human being first then we should think about our gotra!!

one thing i don understand...why it is so much important!? and "jab mia biwi razi to kya karega kazi!"...

Do you really think and believe your thoughts will be respected...
Boss yahan channels mein inter religion love stories bata do toh show band karva dete hai..real life mein shaadi toh dur ki baat hai...
Count the number of shows showing inter religion love stories...hardly few
Becoz it leads to controversies and no one wants to hurt mass sentiments..
which means majority sentiments..so even the channels and makers of show are diplomatic and know what shud not be showed and why it shud not be showed...
My point is the same...Why inter religion marriages are sensitive?
This shud have been the topic and aamir shud have done research on this...rather wht he showed was something every one knows and experiences around
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Chitrashi



I do not know whether to laugh at the stupid statements you've made or to pity the poor people who are forced to live with bigotries that you've spouted. Sorry my friend from what you've said, you cannot call yourself a "moderate" by any stretch of imagination. You are bigoted and best you accept that.

I'm also amazed by the inanities you've uttered for discrimination against girls. Seems like to your mind all "Hindu" girls are simply waiting with baited breath to rush into intercaste marriage and the only way to stop them is to beat them, keep them uneducated, to deprive them of all financial independence, to keep them locked up and if all else fails, to kill them. Well, if that is your way of thinking and operating in real life, it would be better for girls to run away soon as as they can walk, than live in such barbaric society.

Also you seem to have no concept of what entails being an adult, age of consent, being educated and self-determination. You seem to want to take the country back to middle ages. All I can say is go back to sleep Rip Wan Winkle.

Again...u think I believe this...I said...I have seen this,I still see this and I believe I will see this in future as well..
The shw shud have concentrated on why such belief's prevail in the society rather than show such beliefs prevail in the society which everyone know they are...
Dear...is it necessary one who rights an article or a note believes in it...
I am against inter religion marriage becoz I hv valid reasons for it...and I can explain y I am gainst it...
This question why it prevails if wud have been addressed cud have solved many issues including killings...but aamir missed on it
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: sindu_gurti

I think you totally misunderstood the episode...dear., first of all the basic thing we need to follow in life is LIVE AND LET LIVE...is it so difficult to do.!..there are many things happening as a result of marriages., be it arranged or love marriages., if we choose a wrong partner our life ends in vain..I agree., but what is the point if an individual decided with whom he/she needs to share her/Her life...Is that a crime dear!!! I wonder!!! why did you misunderstand the concept., I don't get it...!!!!!!...

Running away from home is definitely not a correct thing...but at the same time when your love is simply denied because your padosi will be upset! your chacha and chachi will be upset., and you don't belong to your own caste/religion!!! if running away and getting married is wrong., then denying and sacrificing ones own right to live for others is just equivalent to kill that person ., so denying someones happiness is also wrong...

...if parents feels that guy is a wrong person or that girl is not good in character or really the home where she /he gonna live is really problematic we can stop them., that too just by words ., not by actions,..if they decide so., then YES DEFINITELY YES., THEY SHOULD NOT INTERFERE...I WILL TELL YOU ONE THING., CHILDREN ARE THROUGH PARENTS BUT DEFINITELY not FOR PARENTS...you are misreading things...

There are crimes happening. in the name of marriages.,, lives are taken in the name of caste/country/religion...and here you are trying to convince others to see from those cruel peoples point of view...who are ready to kill( even getting married to someone with someone else in your heart and soul is indeed equivalent t killing only) their own siblings ..its really tragic to see this post...

WE NEED A CHANGE., AND ITS ESSENTIAL., NOT FOR COUNTRY'S GROWTH.,
BUT FOR THE HUMANITY TO GROW..
IF YOU REALLY FEEL THIS IS VITAL THEN STOP TAKING THEIR SIDES AND BE BOLD., MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND THEIR MISTAKE..

IF NOT LET THEM SUFFER.LET THEM VENT., , YOU TAKE A STEP AHEAD AND FACE OR LIVE YOUR LIFE..
.AFTER ALL LIFE IS FOR ONCE AND LIVE IT AS YOU WISH...ALL I CAN SAY AGAIN IS PLEASE LIVE AND LET LIVE!!!!!!

Bingo..here is some one who comes close to what I am trying to say...
What we want is humanity to grow...but it wont without support of laws which protects feelings of both parents and children...
Merely coming out and claiming tht its 2012 and we are in 21st century wont solve the problem..
This is 21st century and still girls have to offer parda,burkha...why?
girl child are killed before birth,why?
girl child is deprived of education,why?
killing happens of those who fall in love,why?
women asked to compromis,why?
Careers are hampered,why?
All those questions may not be applicable to all but it is applicable to majority...
The reason is "Belief" which is influenced bu history,culture,up bringing and traditions...
The show shud hv been on this "Belief" why this belief and how we shud rectify it?
rather than showing these incidents are there in the society...
Regarding gotra's it is sceintifically proved that people belonging to same gotra do have common bloodline and so genes which means genetically weak progenies...
Look guys..mass feeling cannot be ignored and I wrote what masses in majority feel...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Chitrashi

If what you are saying, you believe wholeheartedly, then wouldn't the better solution to stop killings in the name of religion be to abolish religion altogether?

Religion is a framework to keep society functional, it is not the excuse for murder and mayhem. There is only one reason for murder and that is bloodlust. Do not justify killing in the name of religion, caste or community. Not going to wash.

The answer to your questions in any decent family would be:

1. Yes inter-religion marriage would be acceptable. After all the parents would want the happiness of their children above all things, and if that is where the kids' happiness lies so be it.

2. The foundation of any marriage whether love or otherwise is mutual respect, trust and the desire to build a life together. If some people find that commitment before tying the proverbial knot, why does it hurt you so much?

3. If most love marriages end in divorce, one can also argue that most arranged marriages end in dowry deaths, harassment of the DIL on some pretext or other and physical and emotional abuse and incompatibility. But perhaps you prefer such miserable existence to life with dignity.

Btw both your statement about love marriages ending in divorce and my statement about arranged marriages ending in trauma are extremist and do not have any factual basis, but then neither does anything you've said so far..


If majority believed Religion is a framework to keep society functional, it is not the excuse for murder and mayhem
Then start counting the issues society is facing..
if not all problems are becoz of religion then majority are...
Killing due to jihadi attacks in the name of religion..
Love jihad in the name of religion...
Politics in the name of religion...
demolishing sacred places and attacking them in the name of religion...
All tht is happening in India and against India is in the name of religion...
I believe becoz I see it around and I feel it in the society
if not all problems are becoz of religion then majority are...
the point is even in 21st century we are identified on the basis of religion and if not religion then origin and if not origin then color...
take any part of the world and u will find no one willing to accept anything which is
"inter"
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Posted: 13 years ago
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You seem to be confused between what is right and what is happening around you.

If someone picks your pocket, is it right? But people will tell you that "yeh sab toh hota rahta hai". Do you get the difference between the two?

Everyday we see people leave accident victims to die on the road, is that right? But it happens. Understand the difference.

Any study of history would tell you that there is only one reason for war and this money. religion is the opium by which people can incited to commit heinous acts.

Even Ghazani raided the Somnath temple, he did not come to spread his religion, he came for the wealth in the temple. In the 84 riots, mostly people with properties and businesses were targeted and attacked, the goad was religion.

I don't where you got this term love jihad from, it seems to be your own invention. Jihad btw means a "struggle" particularly a "struggle with one's own self and conquering one's own desires in order to follow the path of Allah". If that is what you mean by "Love Jihad" then I'm surprised, because it makes no sense whatsoever.

Moreover it would be best if you stop bringing in religion and jihad and such insidious terms here. They have nothing whatsoever to do with today's show and seem to your own personal preoccupation. reserve all of that to your drawing room.


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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: ComebackMaaneet


the question is not what majority people believe ...the question here is whether it is RIGHT OR WRONG....for example: majority think giving dowry will do gud to their daughter it is okay to follow demands of in- laws for their daughter...(is this right)...?
people feel a boy child will be the so called "vansh" of the family...while girls are not needed(is this right)...?people following these can give several explanations to their point..but none of them makes them right...!
similarly, inter caste/religion marriages whether to be done or not should be decided by the girl and boy ...its the girl who is getting married ..its her who has to adjust to different culture n all...then why do people have problem , who is asking them to change anything?
and you should also know that most important religion to be followed by everyone is "love"...

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