'Intolerance to luv'was a waste of time Amir.

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Radhika

@TheInkMistress

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Posted: 13 years ago

#41

Well see I do not comprehend some of your views so again no-offence and even I believe in everything you do but not blindly but anyways respecting your views- I'd just say yesterdays episode wasn't a waste!

Originally posted by: ComebackMaaneet

I love the show, I am an aamir khan admirer, i liked his previous episodes but not this...
I said if it is scientifically proved that same gotra marriages do not result in genetically weak children then I will not oppose same gotra marriage...
there is some reason behind not allowing same gotra marriage and only scientific analysis will prove whether it is blind faith or brilliance of our fore fathers who knew why same gotra marriages are not fruitful...
as far as our parents are concerned...even i had a great time in college days and cared damn about barriers but soon came to know even so called metro culture and modernisation is not untouched by religious barriers...
My personal experience is what I have mentioned in my article and is something which i never beleived in born but was forced to accept becoz it is truth of our society..
Even saif ali khan in one of his interview pre release of agent vinod accepted religion does matter ...when u go out to ask work,when u hunt for place to live in.
In USA...it is even more worse..
Why do u think " My name is Khan was made"
Becoz religion does matter and differentiation happens...
not just in India but everywhere...
When we are differentiated on the basis of religion and name then how can one cud even think of "inter religious marriages" when it is such an important part of one' life and his or her family and parents...
may be i am not good enough to put forth my point in words or may be the world is living in blind hope with eyes closed on the most important reason of the so called man made social issues...
"My Religion my identity"...

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manupriya77

@manupriya77

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Posted: 13 years ago

#42

Originally posted by: ComebackMaaneet
look guys I am not from ancient ages but i do not believe in close eyes and push for ideas which will not even appeal masses...

It is something which I have seen and not something which I believed inborn...

For few minutes...keep aside what I have written...but think about why I have written ...

I am against inter religious marriages it is true becoz every one out there and I mean majority are against it...some express directly some indirectly...some are politically correct and some are diplomatic..

Following three questions if asked within the family will give you the reasons y I have written this article and y aamir's today's show was a flop

A common middle class Indian family...

Q1) Will inter religion marriage be accepted in our family?

Q 2) Are love marriages always out of true love and no other motive? ( Luv jihad)

Q3) If love marriages are so good then why majority of divorce cases are love marriages?

I am not supporting killers and killing of Lovers,I strongly object..but I also believe parents are merely not there to accept what ever their children do,woh sirf ashirvad dene ke liye nahi hai...

There shud be two laws..

One curbing killings of lovers and protecting them and other where parents approval is mandatory in all types of marriages...

When every religion is striving for its survival then hw can anyone expect inter religion marriages will be accepted where the female partner's identity is changed completely...

Its a very sensitive topic and no one can deny the fact that whatever i have written in my article prevails in the society..

It is something which I have seen and not something which I believed inborn...

Look at the blood shed around and ask why it is happening ?

Answer is everyone wants to prove his religion is superior and his religion will survive and down the line the thought is our religion shud survive becoz our religion defines our identity..

Atleas in India it does tht's y we are asked to which caste or religion we belong..

By reading ur comments and ur so called reasonings i have come to know that u r that part of society who keeps shouting we want a change we welcome the change and when u urself have to do something for change u will be seen no where.
1)Who told u inter religion marriages changes identity of female partners so many live examples r there in this ur so called society only.How many of them have changed their religion or there name?
2)Aren't many arrange marriages done for motive of money(dowry),good position,status etc.
3)This is the most serious allegation u have put on love marriage r u having some figures or did u researched some where that divorce cases r mostly in love marriage i can give u 100 of examples of arrange marriage who r facing divorce.
At least if ur(son or daughter) is given the right to choose ur partner(love marriage,or love cum arrange) this mismatch will not take place and will not break so many houses.

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Purva

@-Purva-

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Posted: 13 years ago

#43

@TM

I've asked you earlier and am asking you once again, decently, that you should refrain from airing your obsessiveness about "Religion" on this forum.

Yesterday's show had nothing whatsoever to do with religion. Please stick to the topic. What you've said about the show and your opinion about it - is your personal opinion. And we all respect your right to air your personal opinion. Whether we agree with it or not is a different matter altogether.

However, talking about religion, jihad and religious identity and all are topics not meant for this forum. This is an open forum where people from all religions, nationalities and age groups interact with each other on an equal basis. Please keep your personal biases out of this forum in future.

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Purva

@-Purva-

Dazzler

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Posted: 13 years ago

#44

Originally posted by: ComebackMaaneet
excellent replies indeed and surely many misconceptions about me and wht i think...it will be interesting to reply to all of you and wud do...

My point is..we all know believe and trust tht religion shud not be a barrier...

But the world does not think so and will never do so becoz till date it has never done and even in 21 st century the so called modern era..

Even now religion is the reason for most of the unsocial activities and incidents in the society and it has grown and intensified..

One thought education wud improve the situation and pacify the intensity of religion has been serisouly ruled out in the recent event of terrorist attacks...

Even aamir and media keep themselves away from naming the religion,why becoz it is a sensitive issue...

when clashes happen between two religious group their names are not taken why becoz it is a sensitive issue...

Shows,events and social issues related to religion are presented or discussed with highest diplomacy why,becoz it is a sensitive issue...

Overall I want to say is tht "religion" is a sensitive issue and it is proved in day to day behavious of individuals around,the media,politicians and social workers..

When we knw "religion" is such a sensitive issue then hw can one expect tht "inter religion " marriages will be accepted open heartedly...

So much preoccupation with something that you yourself admit was not mentioned on the show. Wow. But SHUSH ABOUT RELIGION.

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Ashirania

@Ashirania

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Posted: 13 years ago

#45

Hi:) every1 has already condemned you...but I couldn't stop myself from writing. From reading all Ur comments, all I got was that Ur a hypocritical and orthodox person who claims India needs change, but refuses to remove that ancient mindset from Ur mind that is needed for the change to happen. Open Ur eyes. U keep saying ur supporting what the rest of India is supporting/saying. That's EXACTLY what AK is trying to change.

Ur trying to justify a practice that we are so desperately trying to change. Why?

Ur a perfect example of the people that this show is unable to change. It hurts to know that no matter how much we try to convince people like u, no matter what we show u, what we tell u, we cannot change the age old mindset imprinted in Ur minds.

And no: gotras don't affect genetics. I'm a bio student. I know. Genes are passed down from family , and even then, they are altered due to certain processes i shall not mention here. Constantly trying to use science to back up claims like that isn't going to work anymore, coz Ur not the only 'educated' ones anymore. Science has evolved.the truth is out, go and take a good, long look. Get real, change, live and let live. This is the 21st century.

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567043

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Posted: 13 years ago

#46

I'm REALLY disheartened by the views expressed by the thread maker. I've rarely heard a more regressive & confused opinion expressed by ANY youngster on ANY fora.I sincerely hope that this is NOT the view held by the majority of the youth in this country-that this is a one off aberration.When I was 8years old my parents put me in a co-ed school.The large & mostly conservative extended family announced that I would disgace the family by growing up & marrying either a habshee or a musalman-we moved on but ALAS! YOU seem stuck in THAT time warp...
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TM seems to be confused between the rights granted to all citizens of India & the NOTIONAL duties imposed on them by society.

1) ALL Indian citizens have the right to marry the partner of their choice.

2) WHY should it be mandatory for both sets of parents to approve? This seems to imply that the two who are to marry are not responsible enough to take this life changing decision-in which case they shouldn't be getting married at all!

3)You seem to be confident that parents,like GOD,are infallible-THEY ARE HUMAN BEINGS & prone to make mistakes too! I am a parent & would be aghast if the ENTIRE responsibility of my child's marital happiness was put upon my shoulders. I have brought up my child to respect her own mind & be confident of the decisions SHE must take that affect HER life & future. I would NOT dream of questioning her choice of HER life partner.At this point in her life MY role as a parent is & must be confined to being a sounding board for her,NOT chief arbitrator.

4) Just as you give too much credit to parents for NEVER being wrong.you seem to dismiss a child's right to decide for him/herself far too easily. S/HE has to marry & live with the chosen partner-my likes/dislikes need to be privately addressed by my child NOT held up in PUBLIC to FORCE my child to accede to MY demands.I HAVE LIVED MY LIFE--IT IS HER/HIS LIFE TO LIVE NOW-I can offer guidance-IF ASKED-I have NO right to enforce my,possibly myopic views on the younger generation.

5) That marriages in India,are between two families-is a crappy cop out line by those who are unwilling to go the extra mile for their child's happiness,preferring to kow-tow to ABSURD & mostly out dated, societal pressures.

6) As Chitrashi RIGHTLY pointed out-STOP DRAGGING RELIGION INTO THIS. You are MOST SINGULARLY uninformed & insensitive to the concessions & adjustments that BOTH partners WILLINGLY make in an inter-religious marriage to prove nay-Sayers like you wrong.

7)YOU ARE NOT SERIOUS!!! You want the GOVERNMENT to intervene in PERSONAL matters of the citizenry???? WHICH CENTURY ARE YOU TIME TRAVELING FROM???? Why don't you move to a country that is run by a tinpot dictator & follow his/her dictates about EVERYTHING-from what you may wear,think,post on IF or alternately JUST TURN INTO A VEGETABLE! Here & now!!!

8)You would be welcome in ANY "respectable" KHAP--Go forth & khapao their brains for a while!!

PS=Goback Maaneet -(as in "under the rock") seems to be more appropriate & in greater consonence with your views!! SO many have wasted SO much time & energy on answering the bunch of inanities you laughingly call your OPINIONS...WE SHOULD BE DONE-WELL DONE-BY NOW!

Edited by znursingh - 13 years ago

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kavyasam

@kavyasam

Inactive

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Posted: 13 years ago

#47

oops I married a person from the same gotra , arranged marriage, now it wasnt banned when I did and to abide by rules of community my aunt & uncle with a different gotra did the kanyadaan, convinient no, lol, also I have a perfectly normal kid. It was in earlier ages when the descendants of one ancestor carried ahead the same gotra, after hundreds of centuries have gone by it is common that two families who are complete stangers with no link ups can have the same gotra. It is when immediate blood relatives marry the posibility of genetically affected kids being born increases. Science causes it not religion.

government to give permission for two adults to get married? they already have, once a person is 18+ they are free to marry whoever they want. why should they enforce a law to get approval from both parents and monitor the lives of the two people getting married poking into their personal choices just because they are going against the wishes of the parents.

I do agree some inter religion marriages require either the girl or the boy to convert, then it is upto to that person if they want to or not. But I think the question here is whether falling in love (inter religion, inter caste, son/daughter of an enemy, subcaste, same caste, whatever) and marrying against the wishes of the parents/ community warrants honour killing? I am only glad such an issue is tackled and hope it spreads awareness among many regressive thinkers.

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Vikrant Khatri

@LordVikrant

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Posted: 13 years ago

#48

chalo difference of views no worries,,logon ne iss bahanein kuch likha toh sahi...

atleast wht i wrote will be there in ur mind and memory...whether u liked it or u din not...

whenever u look around and happen to experience what i wrote...u will realise why i wrote all that...

Good bye friends...nice reading ur views even though not too good in favour of mine...but I thank all for commenting ...

The debate continues not just on this forum but everywhere you face someone who speaks what i wrote...

u will find many out there...

see u next time when aamir khan fumbles and wastes his time by not touching the root cause like he did in his previous show ...

That is why "Intolerance to luv"is a poor & flop episode Amir."

By the way my real name is "Vikrant Khatri".

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bewafa

@bewafa

Dazzler

Posted: 13 years ago

#49

Originally posted by: ComebackMaaneet
excellent replies indeed and surely many misconceptions about me and wht i think...it will be interesting to reply to all of you and wud do...

My point is..we all know believe and trust tht religion shud not be a barrier...

But the world does not think so and will never do so becoz till date it has never done and even in 21 st century the so called modern era..

Even now religion is the reason for most of the unsocial activities and incidents in the society and it has grown and intensified..

One thought education wud improve the situation and pacify the intensity of religion has been serisouly ruled out in the recent event of terrorist attacks...

Even aamir and media keep themselves away from naming the religion,why becoz it is a sensitive issue...

when clashes happen between two religious group their names are not taken why becoz it is a sensitive issue...

Shows,events and social issues related to religion are presented or discussed with highest diplomacy why,becoz it is a sensitive issue...

Overall I want to say is tht "religion" is a sensitive issue and it is proved in day to day behavious of individuals around,the media,politicians and social workers..

When we knw "religion" is such a sensitive issue then hw can one expect tht "inter religion " marriages will be accepted open heartedly...

To avoid killings,to avoid exploitation of both parents and lovers it is important to consider point of view of both..

Hence law shud be enforced to protect feelings of both parents and children and not just one...

This imbalance in particular is a major reason which has led to those incidents and this imbalance where the constitution favuring only the children under the name of freedom will only intensify the belief of those who kill lovers...

To pacify and kill this habit and passion of killing lovers a set of law with rules protecting rights of both parents and children will rule out involvement of so called society and outsiders...

Following rules shud be introduced...

In reference to the red...

First of all, religion is used to mask the true goals of those that declare war and commit such heinous acts.

The intention is ALWAYS to gain more power...it is NEVER to achieve any religious goals. NEVER. Regardless of what the leaders say.

It is the misguided interpretations of religion that lead to bloodshed.

Before, power was disguised as something else. Ideologies have been used as facades to simply gain more power.

During the days of empire, (which still exists mind you), the ideology was: "we are killing people because we want them to be civilised"...yeah OK buddy.

Now, it's changed to, "we are killing people because GOD told us to"...yeah OK...

Please understand that you saying that "religion is the cause of problems" sounds so silly. Go read some books please. PLEASE.

Also, we can't change others, so we should change ourselves for the better. If you changed yourself and saw things positively, then slowly, the WORLD can change.

If you sit there going, well, the world is evil, and that's that. We can't change it, so we will continue to support such primitive thoughts.

Yeah, well...that isn't helping.

After all this discussion...I just hope you're just trolling...😆...because I refuse to believe someone could be this silly.

Please research, your understanding of 'jihad' and what not was not based on research, just on what you perceived it to be.

Please tell me you're just trolling 😉😆😆

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Monamie

@monamie111

Dazzler

Posted: 13 years ago

#50

Originally posted by: ComebackMaaneet

Do you really think and believe your thoughts will be respected...

Boss yahan channels mein inter religion love stories bata do toh show band karva dete hai..real life mein shaadi toh dur ki baat hai...

Count the number of shows showing inter religion love stories...hardly few

Becoz it leads to controversies and no one wants to hurt mass sentiments..

which means majority sentiments..so even the channels and makers of show are diplomatic and know what shud not be showed and why it shud not be showed...

My point is the same...Why inter religion marriages are sensitive?

This shud have been the topic and aamir shud have done research on this...rather wht he showed was something every one knows and experiences around

dear...i don know my thoughts will be respected or not...but i know that my thoughts r right and wise people will surely understand it and will agree with me!! bcoz i talked about humanity, which is above everything...any religion, cast, gotra etc...

no u r wrong...DMG (dill mill gaye) was one of my fav show and it was very much popular...and as per my knowledge in that show the lead couple was from diff cast...dr arman malik was not hindu...and dr riddhima gupta was hindu!!..i may be wrong..but there are many exples of inter-cast marriages in real lyf!! SRK-Gauri, Aamir-Kiran etc etc..😊

why aamir would waste his time and ours too by discussing why inter-cast marriages are sensitive!? 😕...he has told us that what we r doing in the name of gotra and cast, like killing innocent people...is definitely not right and can not be tolerated in any civilized country!! 😡 this is what we should LEARN and he has tried to teach us the same!!

why would inter-cast marriages be sensitive!?..just bcoz the religion of the two person is different? 😕 are they from different planet? are they both not human beings? are they both different creatures? why religion and cast would be so important that we will not hesitate to kill someone in the name of religion, cast, gotra!? do u think by doing such things our country and our generation will progress? do u think we will get blessings from God by doing this!? i believe only one life we have got.."kal kisne dekha he!"...why to waste time in such things which has nothing to do with our happiness...with our wishes? what we will get at the end? why to separate two souls forcefully who wants to be together in the name of God!? 😡 🤢...believe me God will not be happy with us by seeing two other creations of him is not happy and we are making them unhappy!!

we all are independent people of the world's biggest democratic country!!..everyone has FULL RIGHT to choose his\her life partner!..who the hell r we to interfere?😲..we do not have the right to force someone for marriage and remember if we do so then it is actually a CRIME!!

as i said earlier...we must be a good human being first! that is more important! do din ki zindegi he...jeo aur jeene do!! 😊 if we can do so..then automatically inter-cast marriages will not be sensitive anymore..still it is sensitive bcoz of our mentality only!!

Edited by monamie111 - 13 years ago

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