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Posted: 13 years ago
#21

Originally posted by: Chitrashi

You seem to be confused between what is right and what is happening around you.

If someone picks your pocket, is it right? But people will tell you that "yeh sab toh hota rahta hai". Do you get the difference between the two?

Everyday we see people leave accident victims to die on the road, is that right? But it happens. Understand the difference.

Any study of history would tell you that there is only one reason for war and this money. religion is the opium by which people can incited to commit heinous acts.

Even Ghazani raided the Somnath temple, he did not come to spread his religion, he came for the wealth in the temple. In the 84 riots, mostly people with properties and businesses were targeted and attacked, the goad was religion.

I don't where you got this term love jihad from, it seems to be your own invention. Jihad btw means a "struggle" particularly a "struggle with one's own self and conquering one's own desires in order to follow the path of Allah". If that is what you mean by "Love Jihad" then I'm surprised, because it makes no sense whatsoever.

Moreover it would be best if you stop bringing in religion and jihad and such insidious terms here. They have nothing whatsoever to do with today's show and seem to your own personal preoccupation. reserve all of that to your drawing room.



that was exactly what i wanted to say...👍🏼
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Posted: 13 years ago
#22
I guess this show is trying to spark a change in the thinking of people, for instance, people like you topicmaker...

I've read your post and the excellent replies to your thinking: logical replies, emotional replies, peaceful replies, upset replies, nothing seems to be getting through.

No doubt you are in the majority group in society , I imagine tomorrow's media will be filled with knee-jerk fear-based reactions to today's show with headlines like " Aamir Khan encouraging immorality" , "Parent groups protest AK's slap on traditions" etc... Being a doctor myself, I saw how doctors pretended that the truth on last week's show was all just a big mistake (!), so I can imagine how the so called "pillars of the community" will react... I hope the show continues to stay on air!

However the fact that you are arguing so ferociously about this topic makes me wonder if somewhere, deep inside, you yourself aren't too sure about what you've believed in all your life and have been taught as being right, hence this fervent plea on its behalf. Saying black is white loudly, repeatedly, and by majority vote doesnt make it true!

You have said that you have valid reasons for what you have written...I couldn't find any above, so please enumerate the reasons and its basis of validity in point form...Maybe that will make you think about what you believe in.

You have asked people would you like it if your relatives have inter-religious marriage...I ask you: If your sister, cousin, friend ( I don't include daughter in this list because I think you are young, at least your opinions sound immature) has an inter-religious marriage what will you do? If you fail to persuade her from having an inter-religious marriage, what do you advocate as the next step? killing her? kidnapping her? beating her up? never speaking to her? making her life miserable?

Everyone has a conscience and harming people goes against most people's consciences. If you continue to stick to this opinion, I hope you understand that once children become adults, they too have opinions and have the right to free choice even if you think it is not in their best interest... I wonder if the 1st couple Fahmeeda's parents can find another man who will love their daughter as much as her husband does despite being in constant fear of his life, threats, beatings, homelessness etc...But as long as Fahmeeda's father's neighbors don't gossip, of what importance is Fahmeeda's happiness, eh?





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Posted: 13 years ago
#23

The show is not a flop, this thread re-iterates it , just read the thread, various thoughts and replies, and agree with all the responses.

1. Inter - Religion Marriage -Inspite of all the hype and controversies, Inter-religion marriages have happened for centuries and will continue to happen.
I agree there is a huge challenge of switching over to another culture, but it has been done succesfully over the years and will be done in future.
The law is encouraging it and more should be done to destroy the fear and taboo attached to it. This is the way to silencing religious extremism and the politician's who cash on it..

2. Same Gotra vis a vis Genetic problems:
there are 49 listed Gotras and 950 millions following Hindu Religion. To think same Gotra marriage will cause Genetic problems is far fetched. The court of law or science does not acknowledge this. Genetic disorder happens when you marry your blood relative.
3. Intent of marriage - love etc: This is a risk in every marriage. A person above 18 is considered mature enough to take his/ her own decision, make mistakes , live with it or correct it.
The whole point of today's show is don't alienate your children or closed ones just because they did not choose their partner as per your wish. Keep the door of communication open, allow them to confide in you, so that they don't hurt you by springing surprises later on. Just out of fear and unacceptance, don't banish them.

I won't even mention the killings as the ones who did that don't deserve to be called parents or well wishers.


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Posted: 13 years ago
#24

Originally posted by: monamie111


<font face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color="#996600">i was a silent reader of this forum..but this topic just made me post something!! u r talking like u r from the ancient ages...😆😆</font>

<font face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color="#996600">@ bold blue...</font>

<font face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color="#996600">the marriages they showed in today's episode they were not between cousins or family members!!...genetically problem happens only if u marry ur family members, means someone with whom u have<font size="3">blood relation</font>..like ur brother, sister, cousins etc...but does same gotra means that u have blood relation with that person?😕... when two person do not belong from same family, then why can't they marry each other when they loves each other!!?😲</font>

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<font face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color="#996600">one more thing i just want to write...why we can't just be a HUMAN BEING irrespective of our cast, creed, religion, color?..it is the greatest crime of this world to kill someone in the name of religion! and the people r doing this...saying that its "parampara" and its a sin etc etc...i bet they have half-knowledge about religion, about science!! and they r doing the crime actually...</font>
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<font face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color="#996600">u r talking about hindu religion! well, there are many other religions in this world which actually allow marriages between cousins!! there are different rules for differentreligion..different countries...and it is very difficult to judge which one is right and which one not!...but definitely i can not be agree with u...bcoz i can not tolerate such heinous act of killing innocent people in the name of "gotra", "religion"...whatever!! we should try to be a good human being first then we should think about our gotra!!</font>

<font face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color="#996600">one thing i don understand...why it is so much important!? and "jab mia biwi razi to kya karega kazi!"...</font>



I think in a certain part of the southern state it is alright for a girl to marry her maternal uncle. Mostly it's the family's idea for this alliance. What do u hv to say to that? Why are they not sacrificed in the name of honour kiling? This ques posed to comeback maneet.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#25

Originally posted by: Chitrashi

You seem to be confused between what is right and what is happening around you.

If someone picks your pocket, is it right? But people will tell you that "yeh sab toh hota rahta hai". Do you get the difference between the two?

Everyday we see people leave accident victims to die on the road, is that right? But it happens. Understand the difference.

Any study of history would tell you that there is only one reason for war and this money. religion is the opium by which people can incited to commit heinous acts.

Even Ghazani raided the Somnath temple, he did not come to spread his religion, he came for the wealth in the temple. In the 84 riots, mostly people with properties and businesses were targeted and attacked, the goad was religion.

I don't where you got this term love jihad from, it seems to be your own invention. Jihad btw means a "struggle" particularly a "struggle with one's own self and conquering one's own desires in order to follow the path of Allah". If that is what you mean by "Love Jihad" then I'm surprised, because it makes no sense whatsoever.

Moreover it would be best if you stop bringing in religion and jihad and such insidious terms here. They have nothing whatsoever to do with today's show and seem to your own personal preoccupation. reserve all of that to your drawing room.


I want to thank you for explaining to the topic maker what jihad actually means. He or she is telling amir to do more research while he himself hasn't.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#26
I live in Singapore and 10 to 20 yrs back,a parents nightmare was the fact that their child will fall in love with someone who's not of the same religion, forget abt caste. It used to be a big thing if an invite was received with an inter religion marriage.

The community at large would attend the wedding but in the hearts of hearts of many parents they would think that this will not happen to me hopefully.

Now we don't bat an eyelid when we receive such invitations, parents accept it easily now. There are lots of intermarriages; north Indian marrying a south Indian or a punjabi or a Sindhi or a chinese or any other religion. The main thing we look for and hope for is that the couple r happy n can lead a happy n successful life. The community that i'm talking abt, the ppl are all from India settled here in sg.

There's no such thing as ppl not accepting inter, this happens mostly in religious denominated countries, pick up any Muslim country, India etc. Till religion and traditions are kept being used as reasons to torture or suppress another human being, we as a humanity on whole cannot progress.

I think it's something India's leaders, media and ppl have to think gravely about.

Can't some law be passed to say that panchaayats are no more legal? Can't we take this on a national issue. Is it impossible? No panchayat will mean at least one form of suppression less.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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excellent replies indeed and surely many misconceptions about me and wht i think...it will be interesting to reply to all of you and wud do...

My point is..we all know believe and trust tht religion shud not be a barrier...

But the world does not think so and will never do so becoz till date it has never done and even in 21 st century the so called modern era..

Even now religion is the reason for most of the unsocial activities and incidents in the society and it has grown and intensified..

One thought education wud improve the situation and pacify the intensity of religion has been serisouly ruled out in the recent event of terrorist attacks...

Even aamir and media keep themselves away from naming the religion,why becoz it is a sensitive issue...

when clashes happen between two religious group their names are not taken why becoz it is a sensitive issue...

Shows,events and social issues related to religion are presented or discussed with highest diplomacy why,becoz it is a sensitive issue...

Overall I want to say is tht "religion" is a sensitive issue and it is proved in day to day behavious of individuals around,the media,politicians and social workers..

When we knw "religion" is such a sensitive issue then hw can one expect tht "inter religion " marriages will be accepted open heartedly...


To avoid killings,to avoid exploitation of both parents and lovers it is important to consider point of view of both..

Hence law shud be enforced to protect feelings of both parents and children and not just one...

This imbalance in particular is a major reason which has led to those incidents and this imbalance where the constitution favuring only the children under the name of freedom will only intensify the belief of those who kill lovers...

To pacify and kill this habit and passion of killing lovers a set of law with rules protecting rights of both parents and children will rule out involvement of so called society and outsiders...


Following rules shud be introduced...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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1) It shud be mandatory to take approval of both living parents ( of boy and girl) in case of marriage and in rare cases if they are not alive then government should approve with certain terms and conditions.

2) An independent body shud be made to keep a check on inter religious marriages which ensures there is no conversion and identity of the individuals is kept intact...

3) The idea of an individual has a right to choose his own religion is good but activities like luv jihad and other forceful conversions under the name of love and marriage has seriously hurt this thought where many raise questions over the true reasons of conversion,if it is by will or force or no other choice,specially in case of girls who marry a boy from other religion,hence an law shud be enforced where the identity will remain the same after marriage.

4) Children shud be given exposure to both religions and not one and this shud be taken care by enforcing law..

5) Respect and tolerance toward other religion shud not be kept merely as preaches and part of politicians speech but shud be practiced with law ensuring it...

We as Indians are multi cultural country...its unlike west or other nations where the country has one dominant religion and culture..

The west is open to love marriages becoz it has one dominant culture and religion and it is "christianity" ...

Problems due to multi cultural society have already begun in france and UK...

It is easy for them to preach but it is diffuclt to practice...

THink on the reasons why ????????????????????????

You will realise the reasons why are very simple and it is..

"Religion" which defines one's identity...and even now it is a fact a truth no one can deny...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: win7

I want to thank you for explaining to the topic maker what jihad actually means. He or she is telling amir to do more research while he himself hasn't.


I dont wanna understand wht jihad is when those who introduced it do not know it themselves and are killing inocent people under the name of it..
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@TM u have missed the wholw point of the show...Amir khan is not propogating inter caste or intereligion marriages...I know most people would prefer tht their kids get married within their community but suppos ur kids disobey and decide to get married by their choice...the parents or community have no right to torture and kill them.
They might remain upset but killing ur own child for the sake of honour is barbaric.
similarly we cant ban inter religion marriage...there are probs in interreligion marriage like adjusting to a new culture but if both partners are willing to adjust it should not cause a prob.
Love jihad and all are separate issues...
Parents do not own their kids ...once they r adults they have right to take independent decisions.
similarly for gotra issue...gotra issue was valid when polulation was small and most people of one gotra were related.
but now with 2 billion population and diverse gene pool I wonder gotra issue is valid.If 2 people are not blood relatives why is same gotra marriage still a taboo ??
My husband and me belong to same gotra but we r not related we had an arranged marriage and gotra was never an issue.
We have a son he's perfectly healthy and normal kid infact he's taller and much more intelligent than avg kids of his age.
So claiming same gotra marriage affects the progeny in baseless.
Edited by nniks - 13 years ago

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